360 vs PS3

[Beantown]

Re: 360 vs PS3

Wait a second...suddenly the Revolution is the system to get...when did this happen?

360 for me, as I'm impatient and love online gaming.

I might get a ps3 next x-mas though, if it's out.

[LIGHTNING]

Re: 360 vs PS3

The PS3 is inferior hardware because the CELL CPU is nothing more than a floating point asymmetrical processor and is very limited in general purpose code. The XBOX 360 CPU is certainly nothing special either and is inferior to the P4 and AMD 64, but at least it is a symmetrical processor.

[Erv]

Re: 360 vs PS3

Overall I'm not sold on EITHER of them. But between the two the PS3 is looking better so far

1. This generation is not over. Watch a movie of Okami or play games like Resident Evil 4/doom 3...the potential hasn't been tapped. And of course my Socom 3 comes out, and that'll keep me busy for a very good while.

2. Xbox360 graphical upgrade is almost unnoticable. When you can take certain screens of xbox games like Doom 3 and they look better than Perfect Dark screens something is wrong. Team Ninja, a graphics master, even looks weak. DOA4 just looks like a hi-res DOA:U. Madden360 looks medicore as well. It almost seems like if you don't utilize the super-complex infrastructure the system is limited...then of course the media selection is ASKING for trouble. MS is going cheap and they'll regret it.

3.Tactics/PR - MS has been losing a lot this year. From the dumb-*** MTV unvieling, the underwhelming E3 and now getting owned at TGS...the only good thing is the Dew promotion. Then you have them making the SKU/price information and that was the end of it for me. The thing isn't out and they got caught making false claims already. Sony's comments from Ken are also perplexing...but he's been pretty good lately.

PS3...even though it's all movies so far, what's shown is what I WANT and EXPECT from a next-gen software title. The announced lineup looks intriguing, and seeing smaller companies on the list is reassuring. However not enough is known to make me go out and reserve it. I still want to know the pricing and see more games in action, especially to make sure MGS4 is typical, not something most developers won't be able to do.

So until then I'll be enjoying the massive current-generation of games availible.

[Beantown]

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2. Xbox360 graphical upgrade is almost unnoticable. When you can take certain screens of xbox games like Doom 3 and they look better than Perfect Dark screens something is wrong. Team Ninja, a graphics master, even looks weak. DOA4 just looks like a hi-res DOA:U. Madden360 looks medicore as well. It almost seems like if you don't utilize the super-complex infrastructure the system is limited...then of course the media selection is ASKING for trouble. MS is going cheap and they'll regret it.

Please, go check out the Tom Clancy and Gears of War picture threads in this forum and then try and say that the upgrade is almost unnoticeable.

[vinny_b]

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Overall I'm not sold on EITHER of them. But between the two the PS3 is looking better so far

1. This generation is not over. Watch a movie of Okami or play games like Resident Evil 4/doom 3...the potential hasn't been tapped. And of course my Socom 3 comes out, and that'll keep me busy for a very good while.

2. Xbox360 graphical upgrade is almost unnoticable. When you can take certain screens of xbox games like Doom 3 and they look better than Perfect Dark screens something is wrong. Team Ninja, a graphics master, even looks weak. DOA4 just looks like a hi-res DOA:U. Madden360 looks medicore as well. It almost seems like if you don't utilize the super-complex infrastructure the system is limited...then of course the media selection is ASKING for trouble. MS is going cheap and they'll regret it.

3.Tactics/PR - MS has been losing a lot this year. From the dumb-*** MTV unvieling, the underwhelming E3 and now getting owned at TGS...the only good thing is the Dew promotion. Then you have them making the SKU/price information and that was the end of it for me. The thing isn't out and they got caught making false claims already. Sony's comments from Ken are also perplexing...but he's been pretty good lately.

PS3...even though it's all movies so far, what's shown is what I WANT and EXPECT from a next-gen software title. The announced lineup looks intriguing, and seeing smaller companies on the list is reassuring. However not enough is known to make me go out and reserve it. I still want to know the pricing and see more games in action, especially to make sure MGS4 is typical, not something most developers won't be able to do.

So until then I'll be enjoying the massive current-generation of games availible.

what Erv said. To a absolute T.

[ludacris06]

Re: 360 vs PS3

Overall I'm not sold on EITHER of them. But between the two the PS3 is looking better so far

1. This generation is not over. Watch a movie of Okami or play games like Resident Evil 4/doom 3...the potential hasn't been tapped. And of course my Socom 3 comes out, and that'll keep me busy for a very good while.

2. Xbox360 graphical upgrade is almost unnoticable. When you can take certain screens of xbox games like Doom 3 and they look better than Perfect Dark screens something is wrong. Team Ninja, a graphics master, even looks weak. DOA4 just looks like a hi-res DOA:U. Madden360 looks medicore as well. It almost seems like if you don't utilize the super-complex infrastructure the system is limited...then of course the media selection is ASKING for trouble. MS is going cheap and they'll regret it.

3.Tactics/PR - MS has been losing a lot this year. From the dumb-*** MTV unvieling, the underwhelming E3 and now getting owned at TGS...the only good thing is the Dew promotion. Then you have them making the SKU/price information and that was the end of it for me. The thing isn't out and they got caught making false claims already. Sony's comments from Ken are also perplexing...but he's been pretty good lately.

PS3...even though it's all movies so far, what's shown is what I WANT and EXPECT from a next-gen software title. The announced lineup looks intriguing, and seeing smaller companies on the list is reassuring. However not enough is known to make me go out and reserve it. I still want to know the pricing and see more games in action, especially to make sure MGS4 is typical, not something most developers won't be able to do.

So until then I'll be enjoying the massive current-generation of games availible.

Word.

[nofearsp2007]

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360 because of Xbox Live.

[LIGHTNING]

Re: 360 vs PS3

The arstechnica reviewer said that neither the PS3 or XBOX 360 were anything special but that the XBOX 360 is superior hardware because general purpose code which is very important in video games would run faster on the XBOX 360. The PS3 is asymmetrical with only one PPE and those SPEs which have no branch prediction at all and have limited access to memory. Sony decided to go with that CELL architecture which will make optimizing code difficult and the hardware is not efficient at important branch code, AI, and game control. It is nothing special.

The XBOX 360 is nothing special either but it is symmetrical with branch prediction and integer units but nothing compared to a P4 or AMD 64.


Overall the hardware upgrade is really not impressive compared to the XBOX, but the XBOX 360 is better at what makes games fun to play like AI and game control. Some general purpose code bench mark tests the XBOX 360 ran the software at only 1.4 GHz and the PS3 is much slower than that well short of the 3.2 GHz speed claimed by Sony and Microsoft. The PS3 would run most code about 30 to 50% slower than the XBOX 360.

[LIGHTNING]

Re: 360 vs PS3

Overall I'm not sold on EITHER of them. But between the two the PS3 is looking better so far

1. This generation is not over. Watch a movie of Okami or play games like Resident Evil 4/doom 3...the potential hasn't been tapped. And of course my Socom 3 comes out, and that'll keep me busy for a very good while.

2. Xbox360 graphical upgrade is almost unnoticable. When you can take certain screens of xbox games like Doom 3 and they look better than Perfect Dark screens something is wrong. Team Ninja, a graphics master, even looks weak. DOA4 just looks like a hi-res DOA:U. Madden360 looks medicore as well. It almost seems like if you don't utilize the super-complex infrastructure the system is limited...then of course the media selection is ASKING for trouble. MS is going cheap and they'll regret it.

3.Tactics/PR - MS has been losing a lot this year. From the dumb-*** MTV unvieling, the underwhelming E3 and now getting owned at TGS...the only good thing is the Dew promotion. Then you have them making the SKU/price information and that was the end of it for me. The thing isn't out and they got caught making false claims already. Sony's comments from Ken are also perplexing...but he's been pretty good lately.

PS3...even though it's all movies so far, what's shown is what I WANT and EXPECT from a next-gen software title. The announced lineup looks intriguing, and seeing smaller companies on the list is reassuring. However not enough is known to make me go out and reserve it. I still want to know the pricing and see more games in action, especially to make sure MGS4 is typical, not something most developers won't be able to do.

So until then I'll be enjoying the massive current-generation of games availible.

Do not be fooled by those PS3 videos because there is no AI at all in the videos it is just CG stuff. Once the AI code which is very branchy is added it is going to slow things down a lot and the final version will not be as good. These processors are good at floating point graphics code which is the only thing required to run those movies, but the general purpose code which is a big chunk of the game code is going to cause cache misses and stalls and this will slow thing down. The architecture of the PS3 is in order execution only which means if there is a cache miss the whole CPU stalls because there is no instruction window.

[nkhera1]

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I don't feel that there is that big a jump between this gen and next gen. Maybe my expectations were too high or maybe this is an enormous jump but I somehow seem underwhelmed by the systems.

[ludacris06]

Re: 360 vs PS3

Do not be fooled by those PS3 videos because there is no AI at all in the videos it is just CG stuff. Once the AI code which is very branchy is added it is going to slow things down a lot and the final version will not be as good. These processors are good at floating point graphics code which is the only thing required to run those movies, but the general purpose code which is a big chunk of the game code is going to cause cache misses and stalls and this will slow thing down. The architecture of the PS3 is in order execution only which means if there is a cache miss the whole CPU stalls because there is no instruction window.

Oh so I assume that you're a developer for the PS3?

Thanks for the info, I think I'll go get a 360 after reading that.

[DXZeke]

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look at the release of the Playstation vs the Saturn. The first gen games on PSOne weren't like OMG that's so much better than sega....
Same deal with when the PS2 game out vs the dreamcast....
Then the XBox came out and it's first gen games were "ehh"

Flash forward a year and 2nd generation games started showing off what the systems could do.

If the PS3 launched this fall like the 360 is doing, Sony would have the same problem... games that didn't get enough development time. MS gave developers about a year to go from no hard specs for the 360 to the games must be done by Nov 22nd.

By the time the PS3 comes out, developers will have a had a year or longer getting to use the PS3 dev kits. They will have had a longer time too make games for specs they know and they won't be getting final development kits 3 months before launch - you can count on them not making the same mistake as MS on that one. In general for developers of any kind, when you have time to play with a new technology you'll get better results than if you're given months to produce something grandious.

For you PS3 fanboys, don't be suprised when the PS3 comes out that the games on the 360 look just as good if not a tad bit better than PS3. At the same time for the 360 fan boys, having the extra time to use these development kits, the launch games of the PS3 could look much better than the launch games of the 360.

Spec wise, both systems are monsters as far as consoles go.
Both systems are going to kick a lot of tail.

As it's been said many times already, it'll come down to the games.
Don't be so sure that Sony will have all the big guns this time. MS will pour out the cash this round too get exclusives.

In 2yrs, we'll be able to debate all this better when developers are talking about what systems they perfer to program for and what the pros and cons really turn out to be for each system.

[dagger55]

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Oh so I assume that you're a developer for the PS3?

Thanks for the info, I think I'll go get a 360 after reading that.

no reason for the sarcasm.

he obviously knows more about the subject than you do, and does bring up valid points.

however that said, i think since the ps3 wont be out for many months, developers will be able to iron alot of things out, and while the first batch of games wont look like the killzone vid, i believe both systems will be capable of producing games like that down the line.

hell, just look at gears of war.... that game is running on final hardware, and looks insane

[Spirit In Black]

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I'll be getting the 360 and the PS3(eventually), next gen won't be as much about graphics as it will be AI, physics, and animation....in my opinion of course....nothing on either PS3 or 360 has impressed me graphic wise, because I'm not expecting as big of a leap from this generation to next as the PS1 to PS2 was....I'm thinking each generation is going to be a smaller graphical leap from now on, the real leap as I said, will be AI, physics, and animation.

[DXZeke]

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I'll be getting the 360 and the PS3(eventually), next gen won't be as much about graphics as it will be AI, physics, and animation....in my opinion of course....nothing on either PS3 or 360 has impressed me graphic wise, because I'm not expecting as big of a leap from this generation to next as the PS1 to PS2 was....I'm thinking each generation is going to be a smaller graphical leap from now on, the real leap as I said, will be AI, physics, and animation.

I agree with that.

What do most of the 2k gamers complain about Madden... the AI... graphically, it's ok, it gets the job done. With better AI, it would make a lot of diferernce. What do most of the madden guys say about the 2k games.... the animations are sloppy at times, etc... well, these systems should take care of that stuff. HOPEFULLY.