PS3 and XBox 360 rant

[DXZeke]

I don't make much for comments on OS.com much, but lately i'm getting annoyed with everyone saying "the 360 sucks. Wait till the PS3."

For those that make that statement, don't you realize that if this was the PS3 out right now instead of the 360 we'd have the same complaints "it looks like a port." OF COURSE IT IS!

With the 360 MS basically said to the developers here is the first development kit, we'll send you the final one over the summer, oh and BTW, you've got 9 months till we launch. So developers had to go from rough specs to final specs in 9months with the 360.

Now with Sony taking longer they've got an avantage to having some of their launch games looking better than 360 launch titles. Why? Sony gave out their kits and said "you've got over a year. Enjoy programing."

With the sports games that launched on the 360, they made a base for a game and will be able to add to it next year. The PS3 will benifit from the devolpers having time with a next Gen system in teh 360 and will be able to use some new found tricks for the PS3.
I just don't see why some people here think the PS3 will graphically dwarf the 360 when even developers have stated it won't be as big a difference grahpically as it is with the PS2 and XBox 1. Even if you can get some more horsepower out of the PS3, do you really think EA or Activision would take the time to program that in? Heck no. They are busy just making cross platform games.


My view on the 360 games out now is that they are games that weren't able to be fully fleshed out. They can try and make some money off of ports or halfway finished products at a $60 price tag (for the time being - i think they'll drop prices late next year). This way they can have lower production costs and try and profit from their port or poor work (like NHL 2k6's graphics).
After all it takes 15-20million dollars to make a next gen game now (so says EA & activision). Take the money and run.

I say for both the 360 and the PS3, once both systems have been out a ful year and games are on the 2nd generation, then start judging graphics and which one is better than the other.

What happens when/if 2nd generation 360 titles look better than the PS3? Does that make the PS3 weaker? no.
What if the PS3 launch titles look just as good as 2nd gen 360 games? Does that make the 360 crap? no.

All of the graphics talk is a moot point till both systems are in full swing of things.

And comments like "wait till the PS3" is fanboy-ism at it's best.
So is "the 360 is better, just cause."

Thanks for listening OS'ers

[Ice Cream Truck]

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My reason for waiting for PS3 is because I like the exclusive games on that system better. SOCOM, Final Fantasy, MGS4... Those are my favorite games. And when it comes to sports, PS3 will be up with Xbox this time (if not better), so that just seals it for me. The reason I got Xbox1 was because it had better graphics and Xbox Live. Well it seems with these next gen consoles, 360 won't have those advantages anymore.

Call me a fanboy if you want. But I want PS3. If graphics and the online experience are up to par with 360, the only thing I have to worry about now is games. And PS3 has me covered.

Don't get me wrong though. I still think 360 is a great system. The marketplace idea was ingenious and the new online features look great! But I still need the GAMES...

EDIT: And PS3's HDD will come pre-installed with Linux. :o I'm sorry, I'm more interested in PS3

[WTF]

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ICT, I don't believe the online experience will be very good from what I've heard. Reports are that there is virtually no change in the "Online System" from the PS2.

Either way, I'll pick it up, just because I don't play online that much, but if you're big into online, you may want to give that a thought.

[RoyalBoyle78]

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My reason for waiting for PS3 is because I like the exclusive games on that system better. SOCOM, Final Fantasy, MGS4... Those are my favorite games. And when it comes to sports, PS3 will be up with Xbox this time (if not better), so that just seals it for me. The reason I got Xbox1 was because it had better graphics and Xbox Live. Well it seems with these next gen consoles, 360 won't have those advantages anymore.

Call me a fanboy if you want. But I want PS3. If graphics and the online experience are up to par with 360, the only thing I have to worry about now is games. And PS3 has me covered.

Don't get me wrong though. I still think 360 is a great system. The marketplace idea was ingenious and the new online features look great! But I still need the GAMES...

EDIT: And PS3's HDD will come pre-installed with Linux. :o I'm sorry, I'm more interested in PS3

I respect your opinion, and I think the PS3 will be a good system, but I would not go and say sports game will be better on the PS3, until I play I can't judge. I still think the PS3 online experience won't even come close to putting a dent the 360 onlines market. I also really couldn't care if the HD Linux or not, Just like I don't care for some of the Microsoft stuff in the 360, I wan't a gaming system not a media center, thats just my opinion. Only Time will tell.

[Flawless]

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I agree with somethings you said, except...

Maybe i'm missing something, but I haven't seen any, "360 sucks, wait till PS3", nor any "PS3 will dwarf the 360 graphically" comments on here, atleast not lately.

Also, first 360 dev kits went out to first party developers in January of 2004. Third party developers got kits some months later. Not sure where you're getting this 9 months from.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?section_name=dev&aid=3039

If Sony does launch in the spring, developers would've had less time with a PS3 dev kit then developers had with a 360 kit (for launch titles). Microsoft decided to get the platform out to developers early, while Sony waited to start development of PS3 games until they could offer more mature hardware (in other words hardware much closer to final). Both have advantages and disadvantages. The hardware in the first 360 dev kits was a far cry to what is in the final kits.

Alpha - Mac G5x2 @ 2GHz, 9800 Pro, 256MB of RAM.

Alpha II - Mac G5x2 @ 2.5GHz, X800 XT, 512MB of RAM.

PS3 alpha kits

Alpha - Cell @ 2.4 GHz, 6800U, 256XDR.

Alpha II - Cell @ 2.4GHz, 7800GTX, 512XDR

Clear difference in power between the kits. IIRC for launch titles 80% is done on alpha kits, so you can see why PS3 launch games will have better graphics (among other things).

Microsoft had some missteps along the way. They wanted to get beta kits out before E3, but that didn't happen. Developers had problems porting their code from alpha to beta, problem said to be going from an out-of-order CPU to an in-order CPU.

[ComfortablyLomb]

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I haven't heard much about 360s melting down lately. At least those complaints seem to have abated.

As for waiting for the PS3... I guess I would if I were more loyal about Sony exclusive franchises, but I'm not. Sports games should be extremely similar across the two platforms so I shouldn't miss much there. I guess I'll miss out on MGS4, but that series never really captivated me anyway. I liked MGS2 a bit but never really warmed up to it and felt the replay value was a little low. But that's just my opinion. Now, it has seemed like over the life of every console that I've owned I've only bought 8-10 non sports games over the life of the console. Am I really going to not be able to find 8-10 non sports games for my 360? I'll find them... and I'd rather not wait even longer for next-gen since I'm thoroughly done with current gen.

[JohnnytheSkin]

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I'm buying them both because each console has it's strengths and weaknesses. I think the one thing that has been echoed ad nauseum in several gaming publications but seems overlooked here is that graphics aren't going to be what makes/breaks the next console cycle. It's going to be gameplay and what kind of experience the developers give to the player. The consoles are both powerful and only the peripheral effects (snow flakes being different) will be visible within the first year or two. I'm sure that the PS3 will be a little clearer or sharper (much like the Xbox ports over PS2 this generation), but do you really think EA is going to make a different game w/ significant changes for each console? They'll probably just port it off of the 360, since that will have the longest lead time. Let's not forget that the complexity of these new machines is a magnitude higher than this gen.

Wait a couple of years if you are really concerned about lasting investment and are waiting for a clear winner. That's when the fanboyism is at least tolerable. When a system first drops and the competitor only has video ("target" or real time), NO ONE can make a fair analysis. Apples to apples, launch to launch. I think several that are "waiting" for PS3 are pissed that they can't find a 360 and have to convince themselves that they don't want one, because of the presumed "betterness" of PS3.

[CaptainZombie]

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I am also getting tired of this I’m not getting a 360 anymore because the PS3 is an inferior system talk. When I hear people say things like this, I like to laugh because they are the ones that are going to be missing out on exclusive MS titles. It’s one thing if you say that you can’t afford to buy both or one system is your choice, but when I hear that the graphics are going to be better and that blu-ray is going to change the way we play games I think that this is just insane. I think that both systems will have their advantages and disadvantages.

I have a 360 and I’m happy with it. Do I want a PS3? Yes. If the system retails for more than $500, I’m going to wait due to the price. Do I want the Revolution? Yes. The price point seems to be the cheapest next gen piece of hardware that is being rumored.

Graphically, the PS3 might be better than or on par with the 360. When you are the type of gamer that grew up playing Pong, Atari, Coleco, NES, and etc. than graphics aren’t what makes you want to play games. I do think that graphics are important this day and age, but gameplay is KEY. It’s crazy especially when you get those that get so hard over Blu-Ray which is what’s jacking the price up on the PS3. I haven’t heard, but does the PS3 even come with a HDD at the $300-$500 price point that I have been hearing? If it doesn’t and Sony decided to release one down the line, it becomes just as useless as the HDD that I purchased for my PS2. I bought it hoping that games would take advantage of it by allowing me to save my game saves on to it and hoping that developers would take advantage. It never happened. I bought the HDD loader and have just copied my PS2 games to the HDD for faster load times. It has gotten its use, but SONY can’t make the consumer fall in a trap like this again next gen.

Granted most of the 1st gen 360 games don’t look like they belong in the next gen era, but games like COD2, NBA2K6, Quake 4, Condemned, DOA4, Kameo, and Perfect Dark: 0 have really shown off what the system could do graphically for 1st gen. If these titles only had 9 months of development time, except for Kameo and PD0 as they started as N64 titles, than XBOX, and now 360. This system shows that it’s more than XBOX 1.5.

Nobody could judge the PS3 until we start seeing actual software running. If SONY does a worldwide launch, I hope they learn from MS mistakes so shortages don’t occur.

If I can afford to buy the PS3 and Revolution, than I am going to.

[RoyalBoyle78]

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I'm buying them both because each console has it's strengths and weaknesses. I think the one thing that has been echoed ad nauseum in several gaming publications but seems overlooked here is that graphics aren't going to be what makes/breaks the next console cycle. It's going to be gameplay and what kind of experience the developers give to the player. The consoles are both powerful and only the peripheral effects (snow flakes being different) will be visible within the first year or two. I'm sure that the PS3 will be a little clearer or sharper (much like the Xbox ports over PS2 this generation), but do you really think EA is going to make a different game w/ significant changes for each console? They'll probably just port it off of the 360, since that will have the longest lead time. Let's not forget that the complexity of these new machines is a magnitude higher than this gen.

Wait a couple of years if you are really concerned about lasting investment and are waiting for a clear winner. That's when the fanboyism is at least tolerable. When a system first drops and the competitor only has video ("target" or real time), NO ONE can make a fair analysis. Apples to apples, launch to launch. I think several that are "waiting" for PS3 are pissed that they can't find a 360 and have to convince themselves that they don't want one, because of the presumed "betterness" of PS3.

Very Nice Post

[countryboy]

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my main reason for wanting a ps3 is like ice cream stated earlier, their first party games are great... socom, mlb baseball(since mvp is no more), and metal gear.

also i really like the backwards compatability. say what you want, but to me it makes a big difference because i can continue to play games that i already have just in case the launch doesn't completely satisfy me.

I agree that ps3 will not even come close to competing with the 360 as far as online play, but that is microsofts main targeting point this time around online play.

as far as graphics and all, that i could careless about(read signature). The ps3 is supposed to be the stronger of the two systems and allow for more in-depth gameplay and that to me is where its at.

you really can't go wrong with which system you pick up. launch titles are never live up to expectations because there isn't enough time for developers to well develop games for it. lets wait until the "2nd wave of games" hit the shelves and see what happens. the only problem is by then the tide will have turned. 360 games will be looking good while the ps3 launch titles are slightly behind, then we will hear. "i told you the 360 was worth waiting for, look at those crappy ps3 launch titles.360 was better."

oh how quick we forget and how quickly are tastes change

[RoyalBoyle78]

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my main reason for wanting a ps3 is like ice cream stated earlier, their first party games are great... socom, mlb baseball(since mvp is no more), and metal gear.

also i really like the backwards compatability. say what you want, but to me it makes a big difference because i can continue to play games that i already have just in case the launch doesn't completely satisfy me.

I agree that ps3 will not even come close to competing with the 360 as far as online play, but that is microsofts main targeting point this time around online play.

as far as graphics and all, that i could careless about(read signature). The ps3 is supposed to be the stronger of the two systems and allow for more in-depth gameplay and that to me is where its at.

you really can't go wrong with which system you pick up. launch titles are never live up to expectations because there isn't enough time for developers to well develop games for it. lets wait until the "2nd wave of games" hit the shelves and see what happens. the only problem is by then the tide will have turned. 360 games will be looking good while the ps3 launch titles are slightly behind, then we will hear. "i told you the 360 was worth waiting for, look at those crappy ps3 launch titles.360 was better."

oh how quick we forget and how quickly are tastes change

The ps3 is supposed to be the stronger of the two systems and allow for more in-depth gameplay and that to me is where its at.

More In-Depth gamplay? How. I thought the gamplay was about the company making the game, not the system itself.

[countryboy]

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it the system is stronger than the developers can put more into the game.

you can do stuff on the ps2 that couldn't be done on the psone.

thats what i mean

[mjb2124]

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And PS3's HDD will come pre-installed with Linux.

I've heard a lot of people state this and I'm not sure why anyone cares? That is unless they give the ability to edit scripts within the OS to make the console do things we want it to do. Of course, that isn't going to happen.

I've used Linux, Unix, AIX, HP-UX, Solaris and every flavor of Windows at my job and I really don't understand what some people's fascination with Linux is. It's a nice OS and all, but it's just an OS.

[ExtremeGamer]

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I've heard a lot of people state this and I'm not sure why anyone cares? That is unless they give the ability to edit scripts within the OS to make the console do things we want it to do. Of course, that isn't going to happen.

I've used Linux, Unix, AIX, HP-UX, Solaris and every flavor of Windows at my job and I really don't understand what some people's fascination with Linux is. It's a nice OS and all, but it's just an OS.

Where is there any proof the PS3 is coming with a HDD installed? Everything I've read said it won't be in the system, and they are using memory cards again.

[Ice Cream Truck]

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I've heard a lot of people state this and I'm not sure why anyone cares? That is unless they give the ability to edit scripts within the OS to make the console do things we want it to do. Of course, that isn't going to happen.

I've used Linux, Unix, AIX, HP-UX, Solaris and every flavor of Windows at my job and I really don't understand what some people's fascination with Linux is. It's a nice OS and all, but it's just an OS.

I don't know much about what Sony is doing with it, but I have heard them say it was suppose to be like a computer. Many people are saying it's going to be basically like using a computer.

And to me that's fascinating. But I don't know exactly what they are going to do with it. They may put restrictions on it. But on the other hand, it would require far too much work from Sony to create a specialized version of Linux. No reason to do that anyways. Only restriction it may have is the ability to log in the system as a super user and edit the root directories.