PS3 Too Cheap -- Kutaragi

[RoyalBoyle78]

Re: PS3 Too Cheap -- Kutaragi

Misfit, the $500 machine wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't missing the memory card reader and WiFi. I can care less for the HDMI since I don't have a 1080p TV and I'd be content with a 20gb HDD, but I have 2 TV's with HDMI that I think the picture might look a bit better over component when hooked up to HDMI.

Here's the kicker, when MS released the "Core" and "Premium", they didn't change anything to the physical console by taking out features. The HDD is optional if you want to say that this is something that could be a feature. The difference between the "Core" and "Premium" is the accessories that you receive.

Sony is telling us by the time they are done with the PS3, we might see a different version each year like the Ipod or the PC market. When I mentioned something like this many SONY followers jumped down my throat, but this is the road that it appears they are going down.

It's not a gaming machine anymore, it's a "Multimedia Machine" first and then gaming.

See HDMI is tricky to me, I have one HDMI port on my TV, I have my cable box hooked up to it, I had the component cables hooked up for about a month when I bought my HDTV, then I say heck let me buy an HDMI cable and get the best out of my tv, so I spent $65 on a monster HDMI cable for to hook up my cable box to HDMI. I don't care what anyone say's, I saw a zero difference, I mean it, I could hook back up my component cabels and not even tell. So in my opinion, I think HDMI is a bit overrated, and this is no shot a t sony. I'm just giving my opinion.

[RoyalBoyle78]

Re: PS3 Too Cheap -- Kutaragi

After seeing all the coverage and videos from E3 2006 I'm very happy that I purchased the XBox 360 last year. 360's graphics are better, the games are better, its prettier, free demos and trailors, xbox live. Sony cannot compete.

I own a 360 and I will only own a 360, I will say this though, your post is dumb, the PS3 will compete.

[mjb2124]

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See HDMI is tricky to me, I have one HDMI port on my TV, I have my cable box hooked up to it, I had the component cables hooked up for about a month when I bought my HDTV, then I say heck let me buy an HDMI cable and get the best out of my tv, so I spent $65 on a monster HDMI cable for to hook up my cable box to HDMI. I don't care what anyone say's, I saw a zero difference, I mean it, I could hook back up my component cabels and not even tell. So in my opinion, I think HDMI is a bit overrated, and this is no shot a t sony. I'm just giving my opinion.

I agree to a point. I did the same and I could tell a difference.....albeit a slight one in HD material. The difference wasn't picture clarity as much as it was brightness and vibrance of colors. HDMI had fleshier colored skin tones and a brighter picture IMO.

Since I only have 1 HDMI and 1 DVI on my TV, I wound up using an HDMI to HDMI cable for my DVD player and HDMI to DVI for my cablebox.

[burnwood]

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I agree to a point. I did the same and I could tell a difference.....albeit a slight one in HD material. The difference wasn't picture clarity as much as it was brightness and vibrance of colors. HDMI had fleshier colored skin tones and a brighter picture IMO.

Since I only have 1 HDMI and 1 DVI on my TV, I wound up using an HDMI to HDMI cable for my DVD player and HDMI to DVI for my cablebox.

I thought HDMI was just another way to extract HD content and for HDCP (copy protection) handshaking.

Anyway, I found this tidbit about the differences in the PS3 versions.

A quote from Sony's President, Kaz Hirai:

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=16942

The only difference is HDMI - and at this point, I don't think many people's TV's have that. The ultimate result, to my eyes anyway, is there's not a discernable difference between what you get between HDMI and other forms of high definition.

[stiffarmleft]

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I thought HDMI was just another way to extract HD content and for HDCP (copy protection) handshaking.

Anyway, I found this tidbit about the differences in the PS3 versions.

A quote from Sony's President, Kaz Hirai:

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=16942

HDMI is just a digital connector, not all HDMI connectors are HDCP compliant. Bottom line is that it's all a big cluster and really not neccesary as hardly anyone has the equipment to capture an uncompressed HD signal from a component connection. AACS is what they should focus on as this is the avenue most pirates would take, actually copying the disc, AACS prevents this.

As far as Kaz's comments, he's kinda shot himself in the foot as I'm pretty sure you would need HDMI to pass a 1080p signal. I guess he's saying 1080p is not that important even though Sony has been hyping it since day one. As far as I'm concerned 720p/1080i is more than good enough, I would take 720p and 60fps over 1080p at 30fps.

[mjb2124]

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I thought HDMI was just another way to extract HD content and for HDCP (copy protection) handshaking.

It is. To the best of my knowledge it's also a digital signal throughout while component isn't.

It looked better on my set. Not a lot better and not worth the $75 that I paid for the cable. However, I have it so I might as well use it.

[Misfit]

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Misfit, the $500 machine wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't missing the memory card reader and WiFi. I can care less for the HDMI since I don't have a 1080p TV and I'd be content with a 20gb HDD, but I have 2 TV's with HDMI that I think the picture might look a bit better over component when hooked up to HDMI.

You can utilize the USB ports for memory storage if you absolutely need to. The memory card readers seem like they are more for people who want to put their photo memory sticks and junk onto the PS3 this time around that actual game saves. Since it has a hard drive, memory cards aren't exactly needed. And WiFi isn't standard on the 360 either, is it? I'd prefer it be included in the $500 model as well but since the competition doesn't have it I feel I can't use it as a knock on the console, merely a wasted opportunity.

I'm assuming you are referring to the $499 PS3 for this said adapter.

Assuming a HDMI adapter would come out, it would not fix the potential problem of downgrading the signal because without HDMI you will have to convert digital to analog and back with the adapter. The copy protection prevents this in the first place by downgrading the signal.

And for what it's worth, I'm sure this converter would cost close to $100 or more so you might as well just buy the $600 PS3.

I'm aware any sort of adapter would downgrade the signal and the viewer would not experience 1080p. I'm just assuming an adapter can be made so that people who have the cheaper PS3 can bypass the lock-out on Blu-Ray films that require an HDMI port. I don't know if an adapter will be made, but I wouldn't be surprised to see one within a year, especially if there is a high demand for one. Some people don't care about Blu-Ray films right now because who knows if they will be a success, but down the road people who have the cheaper model PS3 may decide they do want to view Blu-Ray without fear of some titles not working on their hardware.

[RoyalBoyle78]

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I agree to a point. I did the same and I could tell a difference.....albeit a slight one in HD material. The difference wasn't picture clarity as much as it was brightness and vibrance of colors. HDMI had fleshier colored skin tones and a brighter picture IMO.

Since I only have 1 HDMI and 1 DVI on my TV, I wound up using an HDMI to HDMI cable for my DVD player and HDMI to DVI for my cablebox.

I really can't see the difference, that just me.

[burnwood]

Re: PS3 Too Cheap -- Kutaragi

You can utilize the USB ports for memory storage if you absolutely need to. The memory card readers seem like they are more for people who want to put their photo memory sticks and junk onto the PS3 this time around that actual game saves. Since it has a hard drive, memory cards aren't exactly needed. And WiFi isn't standard on the 360 either, is it? I'd prefer it be included in the $500 model as well but since the competition doesn't have it I feel I can't use it as a knock on the console, merely a wasted opportunity.



I'm aware any sort of adapter would downgrade the signal and the viewer would not experience 1080p. I'm just assuming an adapter can be made so that people who have the cheaper PS3 can bypass the lock-out on Blu-Ray films that require an HDMI port. I don't know if an adapter will be made, but I wouldn't be surprised to see one within a year, especially if there is a high demand for one. Some people don't care about Blu-Ray films right now because who knows if they will be a success, but down the road people who have the cheaper model PS3 may decide they do want to view Blu-Ray without fear of some titles not working on their hardware.

Ah, I see.

Well the adapter will not bypass the content lockout since the signal would have to be converted to analog and then back to digital. As soon as a locked down AACS stream hits analog it will be downsampled.

An HDMI to DVI or component adapter will only be made for convienence sake since it will not circumvent copy protection. That is, unless someone starts selling devices that crack AACS.

[mjb2124]

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I really can't see the difference, that just me.

Different TV's, different signals etc... I'm sure it all plays a part.

[RoyalBoyle78]

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Different TV's, different signals etc... I'm sure it all plays a part.

yup, I mean don't get me wrong my picture looks great, even the none HD channles still look sweet.

[CaptainZombie]

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You can utilize the USB ports for memory storage if you absolutely need to. The memory card readers seem like they are more for people who want to put their photo memory sticks and junk onto the PS3 this time around that actual game saves. Since it has a hard drive, memory cards aren't exactly needed. And WiFi isn't standard on the 360 either, is it? I'd prefer it be included in the $500 model as well but since the competition doesn't have it I feel I can't use it as a knock on the console, merely a wasted opportunity.

I wonder if the USB ports will be on lockdown just like the ones on the XBOX360 are. You can't transfer saves with a USB device on the 360. I thought if I get a PS3 down the road + a PSP, it defeats the purpose of taking out the memory stick and plugging it into the console.

Memory cards could be a big problem because what if us roster creators create a set of rosters and want to transfer over to the PS3, how is someone going to do that on a $500 model without the memory unit especially if the USB Jump drive their using won't allow it do to the software or OS running on the system? Why should we continue to spend money on Datel or Gameshark type products when the system that's trying to be like a PC should allow this, correct?

True, Wifi isn't standard on the 360. It would have been nice for the $500 model, but what are you going to do. Again, my house is hardwired downstairs with CAT5 jacks so I don't mind that. This kind of defeats the purpose of connecting your PSP to the system if you want to play a game like Ridge Racer 7 that will use the PSP as a rearview mirror. You will have to use the USB cable and it may not be long enough depending where your system is connected.

One thing that I can say is that SONY has created that buzz they were looking for.

[countryboy]

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CB, no problem at all bro. I think your a very respectful person so no harm taken.

same here man.

[gschwendt]

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I wonder if the USB ports will be on lockdown just like the ones on the XBOX360 are. You can't transfer saves with a USB device on the 360. I thought if I get a PS3 down the road + a PSP, it defeats the purpose of taking out the memory stick and plugging it into the console.

Memory cards could be a big problem because what if us roster creators create a set of rosters and want to transfer over to the PS3, how is someone going to do that on a $500 model without the memory unit especially if the USB Jump drive their using won't allow it do to the software or OS running on the system? Why should we continue to spend money on Datel or Gameshark type products when the system that's trying to be like a PC should allow this, correct?

Im HOPING! that since it has been reported that replacable HDDs can just come off the shelf of your local computer shop, that the USB slot wouldnt be locked and thus would allow the use of USB thumbdrives. If that reports to be true, it would probably tell me to get the 499 version. WiFi would be really nice but Ive worked around it without it now, I can continue to work around it until I decide to get a USB wifi card.

As for the HDMI, is the USB 2.0 bandwidth comparable to the HDMI bandwidth? Wouldnt that be an option to create a USB HDMI connection for those that buy the 499 version?

Right now Im still debating on which I get... hopefully I'll get my answers before launch.

[countryboy]

Re: PS3 Too Cheap -- Kutaragi

After seeing all the coverage and videos from E3 2006 I'm very happy that I purchased the XBox 360 last year. 360's graphics are better, the games are better, its prettier, free demos and trailors, xbox live. Sony cannot compete.

thats a broad statement since we have yet to see a finished game on the PS3. And no one has went into great detail (at least that I have read) about Sony's online service. As for the online service I will say this, I expect to be very much like Xbox Live and what it has to offer, since Sony basically copied it. Thankfully though, Sony came up with the name all by themself :wink: