Guitar Hero 3

[elicoleman]

Re: Guitar Hero 3

http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2008/06/02/guitar-hero-aerosmith/

This article pisses me off. I can't stand when people whine about the game being "too hard". There's a reason that you can play on Easy, Medium, Hard or Expert.

Why should the game be made so EVERYONE can beat it without even trying? What's the point of buying the game then, if I'll beat it without breaking a sweat?

While I know playing GH or RB isn't playing the real thing, they atleast try and make it seem as difficult as playing it in real life. I'm sorry, but the 'casual' gamer shouldn't be able to pass Green Grass and High Tides on Expert. It's a difficult song in real life, so why should they dumb it down for Joe Blow? But apparently this guy thinks otherwise.

Personally, I love that GH3 is a bitch to beat on Expert. It actually gives me a challenge and something to strive for. Sure, I may want to throw my guitar down and shatter it into a million pieces but at the end of the day, it still has me coming back to try and beat it.

If they dumb it down, I won't have that.

And also, there's a reason Aerosmith won't be as hard. They simply don't have many difficult songs to play. I hope to God that Guitar Hero World Tour isn't dumbed down like Rock Band where only a 3-5 songs are remotely tough to pass.

[Blzer]

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To me, "Expert" basically means every note in the song is played, and at "full strength" (meaning it may be a three-button chord when it's a one-button note on Easy). But Neversoft went way too far with it on Guitar Hero III. Welcome to the Jungle is almost easier to play on electric guitar than it is on this game (and keep in mind that I'm close to FC'ing this song as well).

And, if you were here around release, you might have read my rant about one of my favorite songs on this game, 3's and 7's, being stupidly more painful than it ever should have been. Again, it's not that it's too hard (for me, at least). I can five-star it with flying colors. But they made the song not fun. It is fun on Hard; if they took most of the riffs from the Hard version and made sure to include every note during the solos, I would have been very happy with that as the complexity for the song, and it could have just been a lower tier song.

Then there are note charts like Black Magic Woman. The chart wasn't terribly bad, but they made our ability to seek which notes worked together as HO/PO sequences or not was like an impossible task. Ruins way too many combos for me. It was simply ridiculous.

I hope Guitar Hero: World Tour isn't as much about the terribly insane note charts, and that they narrow the timing window by a marginable amount, because that was simply their compensation for the tough note charts they created. Guitar Hero II had a pretty close balance... it just didn't do hammer-ons and pull-offs well enough (and that has nothing to do with the timing window).

But you're exactly right... easier songs will be easier to pass. That's why you just need to find some songs that are naturally tough. Not songs that should be feasible but that they forced it to become a tough song (like 3's and 7's).

[Bornindamecca]

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To me, "Expert" basically means every note in the song is played, and at "full strength" (meaning it may be a three-button chord when it's a one-button note on Easy). But Neversoft went way too far with it on Guitar Hero III. Welcome to the Jungle is almost easier to play on electric guitar than it is on this game (and keep in mind that I'm close to FC'ing this song as well).

And, if you were here around release, you might have read my rant about one of my favorite songs on this game, 3's and 7's, being stupidly more painful than it ever should have been. Again, it's not that it's too hard (for me, at least). I can five-star it with flying colors. But they made the song not fun. It is fun on Hard; if they took most of the riffs from the Hard version and made sure to include every note during the solos, I would have been very happy with that as the complexity for the song, and it could have just been a lower tier song.

Then there are note charts like Black Magic Woman. The chart wasn't terribly bad, but they made our ability to seek which notes worked together as HO/PO sequences or not was like an impossible task. Ruins way too many combos for me. It was simply ridiculous.

I hope Guitar Hero: World Tour isn't as much about the terribly insane note charts, and that they narrow the timing window by a marginable amount, because that was simply their compensation for the tough note charts they created. Guitar Hero II had a pretty close balance... it just didn't do hammer-ons and pull-offs well enough (and that has nothing to do with the timing window).

But you're exactly right... easier songs will be easier to pass. That's why you just need to find some songs that are naturally tough. Not songs that should be feasible but that they forced it to become a tough song (like 3's and 7's).

Excellent post. I agree on all points. I'm in the same boat where the songs that piss me off aren't hard for me in the least, but just the fact that they translated it improperly and lost the feel of real guitar is what irks me. Don't sacrifice the feel of real guitar for the sake of artificial challenge. That's not the original spirit of the game.

The best part of GHII for me was being on certain songs and saying "hey, this really does feel a lot like playing the song on real guitar". In GHIII, there were way less of those moments.

[Bornindamecca]

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While I know playing GH or RB isn't playing the real thing, they atleast try and make it seem as difficult as playing it in real life. I'm sorry, but the 'casual' gamer shouldn't be able to pass Green Grass and High Tides on Expert. It's a difficult song in real life, so why should they dumb it down for Joe Blow? But apparently this guy thinks otherwise.

That's just it though, GGaHT isn't that hard in real life. Those patterns aren't that fast, and they just repeat over and over again. It's like a blues lick exercise. The problem is, the way the game is set up, you have to be exact or you'll fail out real fast.

The fact of the matter is, some of these players are sloppy, and often it's the sloppy players whose songs are more difficult, because the game takes their sloppy technique and asks for a precise input. So if some guy is just rubbing his pick all over the guitar at random and you take that and try to make it into an exact note chart, it's going to be hell. Strumming has this problem. Strumming a chord in real life is pretty easy, but the game doesn't have a looseness to compensate. Now I understand that this is unavoidable in certain situations, but there is no need to make it worse by artificially bumping the challenge.

[Mizzou23]

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That's just it though, GGaHT isn't that hard in real life. Those patterns aren't that fast, and they just repeat over and over again. It's like a blues lick exercise. The problem is, the way the game is set up, you have to be exact or you'll fail out real fast.

The fact of the matter is, some of these players are sloppy, and often it's the sloppy players whose songs are more difficult, because the game takes their sloppy technique and asks for a precise input. So if some guy is just rubbing his pick all over the guitar at random and you take that and try to make it into an exact note chart, it's going to be hell. Strumming has this problem. Strumming a chord in real life is pretty easy, but the game doesn't have a looseness to compensate. Now I understand that this is unavoidable in certain situations, but there is no need to make it worse by artificially bumping the challenge.

If it's dumbed down a little, I guess I'm ok with that. If they can scale back some of the overcharting just a bit, then that's fine with me. The post about 3's and 7's is pretty accurate. Some of the songs are just flat out overdone on expert. Now if you take a truly difficult song like One, then that's another thing.

I would assume that GHWT would be a tad more difficult than Aerosmith since different bands would be involved. Eli's right, Aerosmith just doesn't have that many crazy guitar songs.

[fishepa]

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What does FC mean?

[windseer90]

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What does FC mean?

Full Combo... means you 100% a song while never breaking your combo. You can still 100% a song but not FC if you strum at a point where there is no note, but still hit every note.

[Bornindamecca]

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If it's dumbed down a little, I guess I'm ok with that. If they can scale back some of the overcharting just a bit, then that's fine with me. The post about 3's and 7's is pretty accurate. Some of the songs are just flat out overdone on expert. Now if you take a truly difficult song like One, then that's another thing.

I would assume that GHWT would be a tad more difficult than Aerosmith since different bands would be involved. Eli's right, Aerosmith just doesn't have that many crazy guitar songs.

Exactly. I don't want them to dumb the game down more than necessary, I just want them to stick to the idea of keeping it as close to real life guitar as possible. The hard songs in the game should be hard songs in real life, and more importantly, should reflect the styles of the virtuoso players. I thought last game did a better job of that, with Kurt Cobain early, and Dave Mustaine late.

That's what makes me skeptical about the Guitar Hero series in Neversoft's hands. There are a bunch of decisions that they made that make me think they don't "get it" the way Harmonix does, both as game designers and as musicians. There are a lot of gimmicky choices being made all around and most importantly, when I gather up my friends and family to play, the fun factor on Rock Band is much higher for them and for me.

[chilli311]

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http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2008/...ero-aerosmith/

This article pisses me off. I can't stand when people whine about the game being "too hard". There's a reason that you can play on Easy, Medium, Hard or Expert.

Exactly. That's why you practice, just like you do on a real guitar. I started the game on Easy, and progressed through. I still struggle on Expert, but if I didn't I would be pissed. If I could ace through expert, than I would want my money back!

[windseer90]

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So I just 5-starred One, Number of the Beast, and Knights of Cydonia on Hard and all I have left to 5-star is Raining Blood. I know it'll be a pain to 5-star (I gotta go up like 50,000 points), but I want that achievement lol. But I need a new disk... mine won't read Raining Blood lol.

[windseer90]

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Still supposed to be 2 more DLC packs this month... I'm assuming 1 of them will be this week... I'm hoping for something good.

[windseer90]

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Still supposed to be 2 more DLC packs this month... I'm assuming 1 of them will be this week... I'm hoping for something good.

Well, I was fooled. Apparently, the GoW song for the PS3 counts as a "pack" and so will this new World of Warcraft song that is a free DLC today. I thought it was going to be 5 3-song packs... but they tricked us.

WORLD OF WARCRAFT® JAM DEBUTS AS FREE DLC
06/25/08 - AgoraDan

GNOMES, ELVES AND ORCS THRASH WITH A DIFFERENT AXE ASWORLD OF WARCRAFT® JAM DEBUTS AS FREE DOWNLOADABLE CONTENT FOR GUITAR HERO® III: LEGENDS OF ROCK

SANTA MONICA, CA – June 25, 2008 – Combining the best selling game of 2007 with the world’s most popular massively multiplayer online role-playing game, Blizzard Entertainment®’s World of Warcraft®, players across the globe will soon be shredding to a free downloadable track for Activision Inc.’s (Nasdaq: ATVI) Guitar Hero® III: Legends of Rock.

World of Warcraft players will remember the hit “I am Murloc” as the tongue-in-cheek tribute to the beloved race of fish-people by Blizzard Entertainment’s house band, Level 70 Elite Tauren Chieftain. The thrash metal-style song debuted to delighted attendees at Blizzard Entertainment’s BlizzCon^™ 2005 gaming convention in Anaheim, CA.

Rock stars will be able to rip it up to “I am Murloc” by downloading it on Xbox LIVE^® Marketplace for Xbox 360^®video game and entertainment system from Microsoft and the PLAYSTATION®Store for the PLAYSTATION®3 computer entertainment system starting on June 26, 2008 in advance of the 2008 Blizzard Entertainment Worldwide Invitational held in Paris, France June 28 and June 29.

Blizzard Entertainment’s critically acclaimed hit PC game World of Warcraftis the world’s most popular MMORPG, with more than 10 million subscribers. It allows players to take on the roles of fantasy heroes and interact with thousands of other players, exploring exotic locations, fighting deadly monsters, and claiming legendary treasures in a vast realm. Gamers who have yet to visit Ironforge and Orgrimmar or venture into the depths of the Black Temple can explore the full version of World of Warcraft by downloading a free 10-day trial from http://www.warcraft.com/ghero.

[thelwig14]

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Well, I was fooled. Apparently, the GoW song for the PS3 counts as a "pack" and so will this new World of Warcraft song that is a free DLC today. I thought it was going to be 5 3-song packs... but they tricked us.

I am irritated by this.

[fishepa]

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Rockband get's all the good songs.

[Bornindamecca]

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Rockband get's all the good songs.

The amount of DLC in Rock Band is insane. They update so often you just have to believe that eventually they will have a LOT of stuff you like, regardless of how obscure your tastes may be. That and overall game design have me looking at RB2 more so than GH4.