Civilization V

[Azamien]

Re: Civilization V

^There seems to be a few small issues, hopefuly they all get ironed out in a patch.

Im not sure I really like the menu telling me if I will be victorious, I guess I dont even really use it as I rely on Beating people down with Ranged units then moving in for the kill.

Civ games have always had excellent post-release support, so I wouldn't worry too much about minor bugs. They'll likely get squashed.

As for the victory odds thing, I don't mind it because it's very inaccurate. If it says "decisive" in either direction you'll probably meet the right overall result, but anything less than that there's no guarantee at all. I've won a battle listed as "major defeat" and I've lost battles that the pop-up said I'd win. The random number generator certainly plays into that, but I also suspect it doesn't take certain bonuses into account, for instance if you have the policy that makes your troops more effective against barbarians or on their own soil.

The big surprise last night: Barbarians can, and will, steal your workers. I had "freed" quite a few workers from city-states when busting up barbarian camps (whether I gave them back or kept them depended on how I felt about that particular city-state) but was still surprised when they took one of mine.

It was actually a nice move by the AI. I was moving a warrior unit and an archer unit to smash a barbarian camp, which basically consisted of my entire non-scout military. On the way I passed a unit of barbarian archers from the same camp, but rather than attacking they moved out of my LOS before the next turn, so perceiving the bigger threat to be the camp and not the lone unit, I continued on instead of chasing them. So on the same turn that I was doing battle with the camp the archer unit moved in and swiped a worker while I had no way to stop them.

I peeled off my archer unit and left the warrior unit to finish the camp off by itself, so managed to pin the barbarian unit in between my city's ranged attack and my archer unit's attack, so killed them pretty easily. But my stolen workers needed to be repatriated, and ran off. I had to chase them for about 15 tiles before I was able to recapture them.

Good times.

[Cusefan]

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I really do not like the way the other Civs act. You basically have to bribe them to become freindly with you.

After about 12 hours with this game I can safely say that Civ IV has more options and is more in Depth than V. I do not want to say this is watered down but it seems like it. Take diplomacy for example, I cannot see what Techs Civs have, I cannot see what there relationship to each other is, There is no trade map option.

Civ IV(with all the expansion packs) may not be as beautiful but it is a better game than V. Dont be get wrong, V is awesome, I love the Combat in it but IV just had so many more options and information. Its Still Early and V could come out with some expansion packs that add in all the features that are missing. I actually had this same feeling when Civ IV came out as III had more options.

[LingeringRegime]

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Mac Version? Please say yes?

[Azamien]

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Mac Version? Please say yes?

Not until sometime down the road.

[LingeringRegime]

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Not until sometime down the road.

That was to be expected. Thanks for the quick reply.

[bcruise]

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I really do not like the way the other Civs act. You basically have to bribe them to become freindly with you.

After about 12 hours with this game I can safely say that Civ IV has more options and is more in Depth than V. I do not want to say this is watered down but it seems like it. Take diplomacy for example, I cannot see what Techs Civs have, I cannot see what there relationship to each other is, There is no trade map option.

Civ IV(with all the expansion packs) may not be as beautiful but it is a better game than V. Dont be get wrong, V is awesome, I love the Combat in it but IV just had so many more options and information. Its Still Early and V could come out with some expansion packs that add in all the features that are missing. I actually had this same feeling when Civ IV came out as III had more options.

The bolded is how I feel too - CivIV BTS is a much deeper (yet at the same time, MUCH more complicated) game. I never had much experience with vanilla CivIV because I didn't take an interest in the series until BTS. So I can't really say which vanilla is deeper like you can.

What I can say is that I am enjoying this game, and I'm finding various things much easier to understand this time around. In BTS I never really was able to understand the city screens and setting my own tiles/hexes to work - I always just let the AI manage it. And I REALLY could never control happiness - all my cities usually ended up overpopulated and unhappy. Now the whole empire shares a happiness pool, which makes that aspect a lot easier to manage. I'm not quite as worried about ruining my citizens' lives when I choose to work tiles manually in this game.

I hope spies make a comeback in a future expansion - loved that part of BTS.

[Cusefan]

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The bolded is how I feel too - CivIV BTS is a much deeper (yet at the same time, MUCH more complicated) game. I never had much experience with vanilla CivIV because I didn't take an interest in the series until BTS. So I can't really say which vanilla is deeper like you can.

What I can say is that I am enjoying this game, and I'm finding various things much easier to understand this time around. In BTS I never really was able to understand the city screens and setting my own tiles/hexes to work - I always just let the AI manage it. And I REALLY could never control happiness - all my cities usually ended up overpopulated and unhappy. Now the whole empire shares a happiness pool, which makes that aspect a lot easier to manage. I'm not quite as worried about ruining my citizens' lives when I choose to work tiles manually in this game.

I hope spies make a comeback in a future expansion - loved that part of BTS.

lol thank god im not alone and not branded a *****. Going from Civ IV to V is like going from Madden 05(ps2) to Madden 06(360), not to that extent but it basically sacrifices depth for a new shiny package.

Ill set the stage: The Year is 1942, Siam Persia has Pissed me off and keeps of aggravating me so I declare war, I move my Armada of Infantry, Cavelry, Cannons, and Frigates across the ocean to Persia. When I arrive in Persia after my 8 year voyage(lol right) I come to find out there entire army consists of Crossbowmen. There entire Navy Consisted of Caravels(which happened to take out one of my Cannons en route, Not being able to protect individual units in the water is ridiculous).

The Fact that it is so late in the game and the AI is so woefully behind is inexcusable. I will probably try out a Eplc Marathon game But im going back to IV until patches fix this.

[mgoblue]

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What's a eplc marathon game?

[Cusefan]

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What's a eplc marathon game?

Marathon is the longest you can set a game for, Ep-ic is the largest map size you can get.

[bcruise]

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What's a eplc marathon game?

Haha, nice edit - real time wasn't quick enough to pick that up.

*that E word* and Marathon are the two longer length games than Standard. A marathon game has many, many more turns than a regular one - I think the description says it's a whole standard game's worth of turns for each era. That's a really, REALLY long game, considering a standard length game will usually take several hours at least.

[Cusefan]

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Haha, nice edit - real time wasn't quick enough to pick that up.

*that E word* and Marathon are the two longer length games than Standard. A marathon game has many, many more turns than a regular one - I think the description says it's a whole standard game's worth of turns for each era. That's a really, REALLY long game, considering a standard length game will usually take several hours at least.

The more I think about it, the more I think im just going to go back to IV.

[mgoblue]

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Haha, nice edit - real time wasn't quick enough to pick that up.

*that E word* and Marathon are the two longer length games than Standard. A marathon game has many, many more turns than a regular one - I think the description says it's a whole standard game's worth of turns for each era. That's a really, REALLY long game, considering a standard length game will usually take several hours at least.

Yeah, gotcha...haven't messed with the modes so I dunno lol

It's fun to me, but i can see how if you're attached to how it was then the new game might not be your cup of tea...

[Cusefan]

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Yeah, gotcha...haven't messed with the modes so I dunno lol

It's fun to me, but i can see how if you're attached to how it was then the new game might not be your cup of tea...

Its not the different gameplay that bothers me, its the fact that there is so much missing in the game. I really enjoyed having control over how much income my Nation brought in, I hate having no control over this. Its just alot of little things got taken out. Im not worried long term though, Civ IV was missing alot of features from III.

[mgoblue]

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Its not the different gameplay that bothers me, its the fact that there is so much missing in the game. I really enjoyed having control over how much income my Nation brought in, I hate having no control over this. Its just alot of little things got taken out. Im not worried long term though, Civ IV was missing alot of features from III.

Yeah...i think they simplified things intentionally, but they can probably add them back in.

I personally like it not crazy complex, because that makes it tougher to learn at the beginning. When you're a Civ pro though I totally understand where you're coming from.

[Eton Rifles]

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Cuse, I think with the Success of the CivRev games, Firaxis decided to try a more streamlined version for Civ 5.