Call of Duty: Black Ops

[Speedy]

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Looks pretty good so far.

[Trevelyan]

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Thats what I dont get, stopping power is required to have guns kill like guns. If they want to have something like Jugg I always said add a Body Armor like perk. It last for X amount of shots before basically being unusable and leaving. Thats not saying that your invincible durring that time, it just means you can take slight more of an beating (Maybe more but then effect speed) in the chest/back area.

I just want an immune to knife perk or something. Like instead of an single knife slash it actually takes two to kill you or something.

We're kind of having a meaningless discussion here(since I'm pretty sure Jugg is coming back), but for the sake of argument I'll put it out there. In CoD4, did you really have that hard of a time running through Jugg? If you were using a M16, it could still one shot kill, two at worst. Most guns just needed a few more bullets in general to put someone down. Compare that to Painkiller, where a FAMAS or M16 needs 3-4 chest shots to kill with Painkiller up.

When it comes to the knife, of course this is all pie in the sky at this point, but the rumor is melees are out, the knife will be something you have to switch to like a secondary before you can use it.

Also, in reference to some other posts, no one is making you run Stopping Power. Run Hardline, 2 kill UAV? Sign me up. Run cold blooded, invisible on radar and if you get pro, your name doesn't show up over you and the red dot on the enemy's gun disappears. You don't think that screws people up?

The dive you guys are all watching is called a dolphin dive. Lets pray they balance it in such a way that its not easy to exploit.

Also, the idea of killstreaks carrying over between deaths sounds horrible. A bunch of awful players will start running high killstreaks and screwing their teams over because if they die 15 times, but still get 15 kills they'll get a cool killstreak.

If you're playing MW2, some guy is running 5-7-11, and all game you're getting murdered by Harriers and Chopper Gunners, whos fault is that? Do what I do, run around with Stinger all the time, and their killstreaks become worthless. Or even better than that, just kill the guy before he runs your team over.

[Munkey]

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Also, the idea of killstreaks carrying over between deaths sounds horrible. A bunch of awful players will start running high killstreaks and screwing their teams over because if they die 15 times, but still get 15 kills they'll get a cool killstreak.

One benefit I see from this is that people will camp less, and hopefully play the objective more, and still get their killstreaks at the same time.

[LingeringRegime]

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If that is true about the new killstreaks it is a fantastic move imo.

[AUChase]

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I wish they would take away grenades as default. Place them around the map and force players to pick them up, that will prevent any possibility of a grenade-fest.

[Trevelyan]

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One benefit I see from this is that people will camp less, and hopefully play the objective more, and still get their killstreaks at the same time.

We could have the camping discussion but thats a deep dark hole, I think a lot of people throw that word around like candy when its not needed. The team of people I play with tends to get called campers constantly, but to be honest its just a word thrown around to express frustration.

Camping is when someone sits in a corner waiting for somebody to walk by and shoot them in the back. When you have a team spawn trapped, that is not camping. I hear people complain about this all the time, and its totally unwarranted.

[mKoz26]

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We could have the camping discussion but thats a deep dark hole, I think a lot of people throw that word around like candy when its not needed. The team of people I play with tends to get called campers constantly, but to be honest its just a word thrown around to express frustration.

Camping is when someone sits in a corner waiting for somebody to walk by and shoot them in the back. When you have a team spawn trapped, that is not camping. I hear people complain about this all the time, and its totally unwarranted.

I agree with all of this.

Honestly, you guys want to reward people for getting a certain number of kills in a game rather than playing efficiently? That is the worst idea I've ever heard, and quite frankly I think it's nothing more than a cop-out for those who are often frustrated by better players.

[Candyman5]

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We could have the camping discussion but thats a deep dark hole, I think a lot of people throw that word around like candy when its not needed. The team of people I play with tends to get called campers constantly, but to be honest its just a word thrown around to express frustration.

Camping is when someone sits in a corner waiting for somebody to walk by and shoot them in the back. When you have a team spawn trapped, that is not camping. I hear people complain about this all the time, and its totally unwarranted.

No thats called being an *censored*. Killing someone as soon as they spawn is seriously cheap. It should auto kill you and make you wait 2 minutes before respawning if done over and over again. (IMO) Just like in GRAW where people would run straight to your spawn, get into a spot behind you and just kill away. No skill and ********.

If Jugg is back in Black Ops it beter be toned down unlike WaW. It was rediculis.

[TracerBullet]

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No thats called being an *censored*. Killing someone as soon as they spawn is seriously cheap. It should auto kill you and make you wait 2 minutes before respawning if done over and over again. (IMO) Just like in GRAW where people would run straight to your spawn, get into a spot behind you and just kill away. No skill and ********.

If Jugg is back in Black Ops it beter be toned down unlike WaW. It was rediculis.

Amen to the first part, and I agree on the second part. Juggernaut wasn't that bad in COD4 but WaW was rediculous.

[mKoz26]

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No thats called being an *censored*. Killing someone as soon as they spawn is seriously cheap. It should auto kill you and make you wait 2 minutes before respawning if done over and over again. (IMO) Just like in GRAW where people would run straight to your spawn, get into a spot behind you and just kill away. No skill and ********.

If Jugg is back in Black Ops it beter be toned down unlike WaW. It was rediculis.

Do you have any idea what spawn-trapping is? You try to trap a team in its spawn so they can't move around much, but you aren't killing them unless they run into an area where you can see them. You don't actually kill them as they spawn.

[LingeringRegime]

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I agree with all of this.

Honestly, you guys want to reward people for getting a certain number of kills in a game rather than playing efficiently? That is the worst idea I've ever heard, and quite frankly I think it's nothing more than a cop-out for those who are often frustrated by better players.

Anything that will get people out of the corners of rooms and force them to actually make an effort to find someone to kill is a great idea. Especially for this franchise. Everyone knows that is one of the main things that frustrates people. When people sit in the corners of rooms with their heartbeat sensors and SCAR's I get a little irritated. It has nothing to do with me being an inferior player. The user will still have to choose which kill streak to use if they only get one choice. I am interested to see how that plays out. Will people use it immediately or will everyone wait until the end of the round? Definitely looking forward to more details to come out about this concept.

[mKoz26]

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Anything that will get people out of the corners of rooms and force them to actually make an effort to find someone to kill is a great idea. Especially for this franchise. Everyone knows that is one of the main things that frustrates people. When people sit in the corners of rooms with their heartbeat sensors and SCAR's I get a little irritated. It has nothing to do with me being an inferior player. The user will still have to choose which kill streak to use if they only get one choice. I am interested to see how that plays out. Will people use it immediately or will everyone wait until the end of the round? Definitely looking forward to more details to come out about this concept.

So you want to give the good and bad players the same rewards. Wow. I'd rather have no killstreaks than that setup.

[b1gwolt]

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No thats called being an *censored*. Killing someone as soon as they spawn is seriously cheap. It should auto kill you and make you wait 2 minutes before respawning if done over and over again. (IMO) Just like in GRAW where people would run straight to your spawn, get into a spot behind you and just kill away. No skill and ********.

If Jugg is back in Black Ops it beter be toned down unlike WaW. It was rediculis.

That's not what Trev is talking about. Trev is talking about on a map like High rise forcing the team to only come out of one building and rather than them run in there and flip the spawn, they trap them to always come out of there keeping the forward pressure. In that way, as long as there aren't many people running under, or killing them right away, they never get shot in the back. So then all you have to worry about is winning the head to head gun battles.

It's actually a thing of beauty when its done right, which is what Trev and his guys do, and on a map like salvage or skidrow they rotate around the map with the spawns. It's pretty neat.

Also what has helped me a lot is running with the UAV at all times. I run with UAV Harrier and Chopper Gunner and I have more success with that than Pred Missile Harrier Chopper.

And for those wanting to switch from stopping power to a gun that works just as well, even if you can't head shot all the time, run with an Aug and Hardline/Cold Blooded, pretty bad ***. Can still win the gun battles and it takes 1 less kill to get your streaks.

[LingeringRegime]

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So you want to give the good and bad players the same rewards. Wow. I'd rather have no killstreaks than that setup.

Bad players aren't proficient at getting kills so I don't see how they are going to be rewarded like the good players.

[mKoz26]

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Bad players aren't proficient at getting kills so I don't see how they are going to be rewarded like the good players.

Bad players will often have games with high amounts of kills and higher amounts of deaths. i.e. 10-20. This is because they run around without any bit of strategy. But you're asking to give them the same rewards as someone who goes 10-2. That's ridiculous. I think the idiots running around with tac knives (who would be rewarded in your situation) are just as bad as campers if not worse, because although they get a high number of kills, they don't help their teams one bit. People with skill can take out campers by checking corners and being aware of their surroundings, but guys running around going crazy are getting kills based on random luck.