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  • iLLosophy
    Plata o Plomo
    • Sep 2005
    • 3673

    #11281
    Re: Battlefield 3

    Originally posted by The Kid 24
    I'm thinking of picking up either BF3 Premium or Black Ops II... But need some help.

    What does BF3 do that Black Ops II doesn't do?
    The biases in these responses are hilarious. I'm personally a big fan of the BF series on console but BF3 was a let down and I recently sold it.

    Here's my 2 cents

    -If you play in short periods of time, like you only get 1-2 hours here or there, you're going to want an instant pick-me-up....go with CoD. The interface for finding a game in BF3 has more of a learning curve, and the party management system is just god awful, then once you get into a game on a server you like, a lot of stages are spread out and so you could very well spend 30 minutes from the time you put the game in until you actually find someone to kill.

    -If you like to play solo, go with CoD. In order for BF3 to be fully enjoyable, you must have a team that is communicating, providing intel, ammo, etc. Here is one of Paperboy's videos which is a great example of how a team should run in BF3 (or any video game for that matter). The different with BF3 is, it's been out for a year, so most the people playing it are seasoned and are probably on the mic with other people who know the stages, strategies, etc. You can still be a support role in BF3 solo (sniping, healing, suppression, etc) successfully but that is more of a passive role and you won't see as much action.

    Pretty much, don't play BF3 at this point unless you have people to play with (that know what they are doing).

    -CoD still uses peer to peer servers so your lag can vary greatly, which can piss you off more when you put 20 bullets into a guy and then kill cam it doesn't even show you getting one shot off. All of BF3 servers are hosted by EA, which reduces a lot of lag issues

    -If you like Infantry only modes, stick with CoD. BF3 attempted for the first time to do Infantry only modes to try to draw CoD fans and the result is - stages and gameplay that looks like it's the first time doing this. CoD has been doing this for years.

    -Ask yourself how long you want to play this game. BF3 has more depth and thus will take much longer to learn how to use all the vehicles and use all the add-ons, etc. If you are the type to only play a game for a few months then put it down for the next game that comes out - go with CoD. BF3 is a long term commitment. I've never played CoD much father than my first prestige, it usually starts getting old to me after that. I spent a year playing BF3 (and even longer for its predecessors).

    Overall, I think when all your cards are lined up (all your teammates are active, they know their role, they aren't being heros, theirs a chain of command, etc), BF3 can have the best experiences over CoD. You can have some really Epic battles and stories to tell. But for me those moments were far and few in between, as I rarely find moments when you and 6-7 of your crew are all online at the same time (AND are able to get into the same server). And very rarely does anyone talk in the regular chat channels.

    Meanwhile, Black Ops 2 isn't any better than any other CoD i've played, but with that said CoD is still fun for an instant pick-me-up, and since it's the newest hottest thing, you're more likely to find friends online playing this versus BF3.

    Just so you know, I traded BF3 in for Black Ops II. With that said I still love playing in epic battles so I've been trying out PlanetSide 2 on the PC.
    Last edited by iLLosophy; 11-27-2012, 12:51 PM.

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    • Dog
      aka jnes12/JNes__
      • Aug 2008
      • 11846

      #11282
      Re: Battlefield 3

      Originally posted by iLLosophy
      -If you play in short periods of time, like you only get 1-2 hours here or there, you're going to want an instant pick-me-up....go with CoD. The interface for finding a game in BF3 has more of a learning curve, and the party management system is just god awful, then once you get into a game on a server you like, a lot of stages are spread out and so you could very well spend 30 minutes from the time you put the game in until you actually find someone to kill.
      Solution: play Close Quarters, Operation Metro, Grand Bazaar, Siene Crossing

      Originally posted by iLLosophy
      -If you like to play solo, go with CoD. In order for BF3 to be fully enjoyable, you must have a team that is communicating, providing intel, ammo, etc. Here is one of Paperboy's videos which is a great example of how a team should run in BF3 (or any video game for that matter). The different with BF3 is, it's been out for a year, so most the people playing it are seasoned and are probably on the mic with other people who know the stages, strategies, etc. You can still be a support role in BF3 solo (sniping, healing, suppression, etc) successfully but that is more of a passive role and you won't see as much action.

      Pretty much, don't play BF3 at this point unless you have people to play with (that know what they are doing).
      Again... play Close Quarters. You don't need friends or a good team to play CQ

      Originally posted by iLLosophy
      -If you like Infantry only modes, stick with CoD. BF3 attempted for the first time to do Infantry only modes to try to draw CoD fans and the result is - stages and gameplay that looks like it's the first time doing this. CoD has been doing this for years.
      The Close Quarters maps are far from "looking like it's the first time DICE tried it". BF3's infantry gameplay > CoD's for the simple fact of gun balance. Such a wide variety of guns that are good/bad in certain situations

      Originally posted by iLLosophy
      -Ask yourself how long you want to play this game. BF3 has more depth and thus will take much longer to learn how to use all the vehicles and use all the add-ons, etc. If you are the type to only play a game for a few months then put it down for the next game that comes out - go with CoD. BF3 is a long term commitment. I've never played CoD much father than my first prestige, it usually starts getting old to me after that. I spent a year playing BF3 (and even longer for its predecessors).
      Once again... Close Quarters/Operation Metro/etc. Not all BF3 games are marathons on Operation Firestorm...and you can choose not to play those maps if you want.

      Bottom line, CoD is centered around infantry gameplay, but BF3 does it better IMO. Sure, Close Quarters is frustrating because you end up dying a ton of times because it's small (still bigger than most BO2 maps from what I've seen), but the core gun-to-gun gameplay is better in BF3.

      Also, from playing BO2 for a little bit, I've learned that there are far less "WTF" deaths than in BF3. In BF3, if you lose a gun battle, you lost it. Rarely does it seem like the game cheated you. But in only a few hours of BO2, I've had that happen many times

      BO2 does have the benefit of killstreaks that are fun, the emblem thingies, gold camos and whatnot, and of course, zombies (which is a helluva lot of fun). But other than zombies, what CoD does better seems to be only bells-and-whistles types of things, and obviously the "newness" of BO2
      Last edited by Dog; 11-27-2012, 01:31 PM.
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      • erickonasis
        MVP
        • Jan 2006
        • 3016

        #11283
        Re: Battlefield 3

        Originally posted by The Kid 24
        So this game isn't recommended if I play by myself? How is TDM on BF3?

        Cuz my buddies play Black Ops II... I've been trying to talk them into getting the Premium Edition but they aren't interested.

        TDM is golden on here...trust me i've put a TON of hours in it...add me if your on ps3..

        AND you dont need to just play the close qtrs maps ...Mostly every map has a TDM Version of it whcih is nearly half the size of the regular maps or less and you DONT have to deal with the vehicle BS.

        Contrary to belief you DONT have to know a ton of people to have fun on the game you can play it solo just fine

        when you seach for TDM in your filter there is a ****load of people who just play that mode and servers set up just for that
        Last edited by erickonasis; 11-27-2012, 01:54 PM.
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        • iLLosophy
          Plata o Plomo
          • Sep 2005
          • 3673

          #11284
          Re: Battlefield 3

          Originally posted by Dog
          Solution: play Close Quarters, Operation Metro, Grand Bazaar, Siene Crossing
          Well in that case, please enlighten our friend from the first time he plays can quickly jump into a server that only has CQ, Team Deathmatch stages (and doesn't switch stages/modes after each round)? Not only that, but one that has a reasonable server settings and doesn't take 50 min to finish a round or have stupid rules that will get him banned.


          Sarcasm aside, I agree about the WTF moments though. BF3 has them too but they are nowhere near as bad as they are in BO2 (or any CoD game for that matter). 4 bars mean everything on CoD.

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          • AUChase
            Hall Of Fame
            • Jul 2008
            • 19404

            #11285
            Re: Battlefield 3

            I don't see how BOII has a better party system. Yeah, you can party up with about as many people as you want, but if you're only running with a friend or two, you may spend the entire damn match without even really seeing them.

            I like being able to spawn on my squad mates.

            The dedicated servers in Battlefield 3 are great. There's hardly any lag, unless it's my connection that is the problem. It's nice being able to save your favorite servers and choose which ones you want to play on.

            When I say that Battlefield 3 is one of the best military and multiplayer shooters I have ever played, that's just my opinion..

            Wouldn't it be better to call it everyone's opinions instead of just calling everyone biased ? If you want positive comments about Black Ops, try hitting up that thread. If you didn't notice, he posed the same question in that thread as well. He's here to learn some positives about Battlefield 3 and that's what everyone is doing.

            For the record, I'm over lvl 40 in Black Ops II and I still play it and I've given it props in other threads for being a very fun game. I just think there's a lot of the same problems you will always get with a COD game.

            You know what you're getting into when you buy it and it's all a matter of personal preference. The non-vehicle game modes in this game are just as fun as anything that's present in a COD game.. the gameplay is just more polished IN MY OPINION.

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            • erickonasis
              MVP
              • Jan 2006
              • 3016

              #11286
              Re: Battlefield 3

              Originally posted by iLLosophy
              Well in that case, please enlighten our friend from the first time he plays can quickly jump into a server that only has CQ, Team Deathmatch stages (and doesn't switch stages/modes after each round)? Not only that, but one that has a reasonable server settings and doesn't take 50 min to finish a round or have stupid rules that will get him banned.

              There are a ton of servers like that are strictly TDM and TDM size maps...Trust me plenty here can atest that i've played them and spent a ton of time in that mode. Every map has a TDM version of it
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              • Lieutenant Dan
                All Star
                • Sep 2007
                • 5679

                #11287
                Re: Battlefield 3

                Originally posted by erickonasis
                There are a ton of servers like that are strictly TDM and TDM size maps...Trust me plenty here can atest that i've played them and spent a ton of time in that mode. Every map has a TDM version of it
                Yes, I can attest that E is a TDM whore

                Just get both games and be done with it :wink:

                Seriously, the short version from me; BF3 is the finest military FPS there is, in every way. Period.
                For testimony, I bought my friend a copy about a year ago who was a COD fanatic. He plays BF3 practically every evening...he's logged twice the hours that I have lol. He hasn't touched COD since.

                PS: I have played every COD game, and LOVE COD 4, Black Ops and Black Ops II.
                Last edited by Lieutenant Dan; 11-27-2012, 02:19 PM.
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                • JWR3232
                  Pro
                  • Jul 2011
                  • 666

                  #11288
                  I got this on pc yesterday played two games online and wow am I bad at this. Almost all if my points came from revives. Is there a os platoon?
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                  • Lieutenant Dan
                    All Star
                    • Sep 2007
                    • 5679

                    #11289
                    Re: Battlefield 3

                    Originally posted by JWR3232
                    I got this on pc yesterday played two games online and wow am I bad at this. Almost all if my points came from revives. Is there a os platoon?
                    Hang in there and keep at it This game has a bit of a curve, but once you get the hang of it, you'll be loving it. Try out all four classes and find how you prefer to play. If you're going to play as assault, flank a lot to get to your objective. And try to stick with someone if you can.
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                    • AUChase
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Jul 2008
                      • 19404

                      #11290
                      Re: Battlefield 3

                      As inexpensive as BF3 is now, it wouldn't be a bad idea just to pick up both and get the best of both worlds.. lol.

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                      • iLLosophy
                        Plata o Plomo
                        • Sep 2005
                        • 3673

                        #11291
                        Re: Battlefield 3

                        Originally posted by erickonasis
                        There are a ton of servers like that are strictly TDM and TDM size maps...Trust me plenty here can atest that i've played them and spent a ton of time in that mode. Every map has a TDM version of it
                        I asked how can I quickly can you find one. It's my first time playing the game, and I only have an hour to spare before I bounce or do something else.

                        My point is you have to jump through hoops to find your perfect fit for BF3 that you don't in CoD. Battlefield 3 is not designed well as pick-me-up, it requires people to struggle a little trial and error before you get the basics down. There's a ton of people don't want to make time to deal with that. Trust me, I have tried to get CoD people to switch over and the BF3 interface just flusters them. One even said "it's like I'm using a PC game on the console. after 5 minutes, I should be getting my first killstreak, not navigating through servers" (LOL)

                        Anyway, to The Kid 24, before I get banished from this thread lol...let me say this. I'm assuming you have played CoD before. There's virtually NOTHING new about this game, it is essentially every CoD before it, just with new levels and a few killstreaks that might wow you the first few times.

                        As far as BF3 goes AUChase does make a great point:

                        Originally posted by AUChase
                        As inexpensive as BF3 is now, it wouldn't be a bad idea just to pick up both and get the best of both worlds.. lol.
                        Last edited by iLLosophy; 11-27-2012, 02:34 PM.

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                        • erickonasis
                          MVP
                          • Jan 2006
                          • 3016

                          #11292
                          Re: Battlefield 3

                          Originally posted by iLLosophy
                          I asked how can I quickly can you find one. It's my first time playing the game, and I only have an hour to spare before I bounce or do something else.
                          :
                          VERY QUICKLY. Go into sever browser and filter TDM ...takes a minute to do

                          Very noob proof if you ask me
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                          • AUChase
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Jul 2008
                            • 19404

                            #11293
                            Re: Battlefield 3

                            I do agree that the learning curve is a bit steeper in BF3. The only thing they do to counteract that is to give you so many ways to rack up points without being a big kill player.

                            I think COD is trying to go in that direction a little more, but they haven't figured it out completely.

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                            • cranes74us
                              Pro
                              • Jun 2003
                              • 608

                              #11294
                              Re: Battlefield 3

                              Bf3 all the way . Just so many ways you can play it, just read TMagic's post couple pages back.

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                              • iLLosophy
                                Plata o Plomo
                                • Sep 2005
                                • 3673

                                #11295
                                Re: Battlefield 3

                                Originally posted by erickonasis
                                VERY QUICKLY. Go into sever browser and filter TDM ...takes a minute to do

                                Very noob proof if you ask me

                                I need to find a new facepalm gif - i can use it right about now.


                                Ok - let me give you two examples:

                                I want to play TDM. In CoD. i go to Team Deathmatch Playlist. I jump in a lobby, and I play TDM. The next match, I play TDM. The game after that, I play TDM. TDM....TDM....TDM....

                                In BF3. I go to TDM on server browser filter. I jump on the first server I find. I play TDM. The next match, I play.....Gun Master? The next match I play....Conquest Assault????

                                Please tell me that makes my point clear....

                                If it doesn't...then f it. lol agree to disagree....

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