Loose versus Lose

[jmood88]

Re: Loose versus Lose

There was an article out some time ago that warned parents and adults of the infamous internet lingo. How its basically ruining young adults proper spelling. I for one cant stand getting text messages that go:

Whts up G, cll me whn u git dis mssg.

And thats not even the half of it. Everything on the net has been abbreviated to death.

"TWSFIPML"=that was so funny I peed myself laughing.

When is enough, enough?

I don't know but schools need to take responsibility. If they can't get students to spell correctly then there's something wrong.

[jmood88]

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Graphik is spot-on. There are three things that are destroying grammar, spelling and the English language:

1. Instant messaging.

2. Text messaging.

3. Hip-hop culture.

People abbreviate and butcher the language with IM's and texts to save time and, in the case of texts, money.

The language is butchered in hip-hop culture (killaz instead of killers, for example) because that's part of its odd appeal. Too bad it's making a generation of kids look like idiots.

Can you imagine some of these suburban, white gangsta wannabes now in high school and being weaned on hip-hop spellings trying to write a resume or cover letter in four or five years? Talk about a f*cking disaster area.

Using proper spelling and grammar is a matter of discipline, pride and personal responsibility, something seriously lacking in many young kids today. That's why it's heartening to see at least a handful of younger guys in here who give a sh*t about the language.

As a writer and editor by trade and someone who loves and cares about the language at all times, that's encouraging.

Take care,
PK

Hip hop has not made kids bad spellers, the parents and schools not teaching the kids is what has made the kids bad. People are always looking for something to blame for why kids are acting differently but those same people are either unwilling or don't care about their kids' struggles. I grew up on hip hop among other things and I have no problem with spelling and grammar and if I did have a problem with it I certainly wouldn't blame it on hip hop.

[pk500]

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Two things that word doesn't check is grammar and puncuation although it seems like every teen I know thinks it does.

It also doesn't check Internet forums, either, as the proper verb agreement above would be, "Two things that Word doesn't check ARE grammar and punctuation."

Compound subject, compound object. You need a plural verb.

Class dismissed.

Take care,
PK

[pk500]

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Hip hop has not made kids bad spellers, the parents and schools not teaching the kids is what has made the kids bad. People are always looking for something to blame for why kids are acting differently but those same people are either unwilling or don't care about their kids' struggles. I grew up on hip hop among other things and I have no problem with spelling and grammar and if I did have a problem with it I certainly wouldn't blame it on hip hop.

So when kids see hip-hop group names, song titles, CD liner notes and the like littered with misspellings, it's the parents' fault?

Parental responsibility is part of the equation, no doubt. But so is the culture that fosters such bad grammatical habits.

Mood, I know your type: You could start an argument with yourself by looking into the mirror in the morning. I would enjoy debating with you in a civil fashion if I believed that you were firm in your printed convictions here instead of just being a contrarian for the f*ck of it.

Take care,
PK

[nyisles16]

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It also doesn't check Internet forums, either, as the proper verb agreement above would be, "Two things that Word doesn't check ARE grammar and punctuation."

Compound subject, compound object. You need a plural verb.

Class dismissed.

Take care,
PK

of course I should be the one to speak... after all, I did spell grammar as G-R-A-M-E-R in a spelling bee...

[jmood88]

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So when kids see hip-hop group names, song titles, CD liner notes and the like littered with misspellings, it's the parents' fault?

Parental responsibility is part of the equation, no doubt. But so is the culture that fosters such bad grammatical habits.

Mood, I know your type: You could start an argument with yourself by looking into the mirror in the morning. I would enjoy debating with you in a civil fashion if I believed that you were firm in your printed convictions here instead of just being a contrarian for the f*ck of it.

Take care,
PK

You don't know me at all. People are always trying to find a scapegoat for why something isn't how they want it. Why would a kid look at a song title or group name and assume that that is the correct way of spelling and then go into school and see how you actually spell it but continue to spell it wrong?

[pk500]

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Or how many "Cheers" and "Frasier" fans spelled grammar "grammer" because that is the last name of Frasier Crane, Kelsey Grammer?

Take care,
PK

[pk500]

Re: Loose versus Lose

You don't know me at all. People are always trying to find a scapegoat for why something isn't how they want it. Why would a kid look at a song title or group name and assume that that is the correct way of spelling and then go into school and see how you actually spell it but continue to spell it wrong?

So my belief that hip-hop is a culprit -- not THE culprit, but a culprit -- is a scapegoat. But your belief that it's the parents and schools' fault is the truth.
One man's fact is another's scapegoat.

So that's the way it works, huh? Comical.

We now have a fifth book of the Gospel: Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Mood. Very precious.

Take care,
PK

[jmood88]

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So my belief that hip-hop is a culprit -- not THE culprit, but a culprit -- is a scapegoat. But your belief that it's the parents and schools' fault is the truth.
One man's fact is another's scapegoat.

So that's the way it works, huh? Comical.

We now have a fifth book of the Gospel: Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Mood. Very precious.

Take care,
PK

I didn't say that you were completely wrong but people are willing to blame hip hop for alot of things but aren't willing to blame the schools or the parents. In your list of things that are destroying grammar, none of them are the responsiblity of the schools or parents. You put it all on the shoulders of the child to learn the correct way which is not how it should be.

[Bobolini]

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So my belief that hip-hop is a culprit -- not THE culprit, but a culprit -- is a scapegoat. But your belief that it's the parents and schools' fault is the truth.
One man's fact is another's scapegoat.

So that's the way it works, huh? Comical.

We now have a fifth book of the Gospel: Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Mood. Very precious.

Take care,
PK

The parents and school do factor into the equation but the ultimate responsibility comes from the individual. Parents and teachers can help motivate and provide leadership for the individual but I believe the final burden is with oneself.

[pk500]

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I didn't say that you were completely wrong but people are willing to blame hip hop for alot of things but aren't willing to blame the schools or the parents. In your list of things that are destroying grammar, none of them are the responsiblity of the schools or parents. You put it all on the shoulders of the child to learn the correct way which is not how it should be.

So there are no kids who listen in school and to their parents yet still follow the hip-hop way of spelling because that's the way all their friends do it with IM, texting and when living the wannabe gangsta culture?

Very interesting. My parents told me to study in high school and so did my teachers, but there were still nights I blew it off.

Either you must have forgotten what it's like to be a teen-ager or haven't been there yet.

Take care,
PK

[pk500]

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The parents and school do factor into the equation but the ultimate responsibility comes from the individual. Parents and teachers can help motivate and provide leadership for the individual but I believe the final burden is with oneself.

Indeed. But it's always easier to blame The Man.

Take care,
PK

[Bobolini]

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Indeed. But it's always easier to blame The Man.

Take care,
PK

It's the new motto, take no responsibility and at all cost, blame others.

[redxiiixi]

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It also doesn't check Internet forums, either, as the proper verb agreement above would be, "Two things that Word doesn't check ARE grammar and punctuation."

Compound subject, compound object. You need a plural verb.

Class dismissed.

Take care,
PK

I orginally just had grammar in my sentence but then changed the beginning to two. Forgot to have the verb agree with my edit.

[Misfit]

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For anyone with grammar issues, I recommend taking an AP style writing course in high school or college. If your professor is any good you'll have lots of bad habits broken by the end of the semester.

Pop culture in general can share some of the responsibility of the ruining of the english language. Bands have been misspelling names since the Beatles and probably long before them. Though hip hop does carry a certain lingo not present in most genres and could probably accept more of the blame than others. Though my Children of Bodom CD's can be pretty bad.