For all you guys wanting to gain muscle, size, etc.

[DC]

Re: For all you guys wanting to gain muscle, size, etc.

NYJets; who advised you to take the NoExplode?

No knocking it (well I kinda am), but I like to not take any supplements. I know it helps but I just can't live with myself with all of that stuff in my system.

I even cut back on taking my whey the last 3 weeks. I feel good and see results.

I don't know, maybe I will feel different next week abotu the whey

[NYJets]

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I know it helps but I just can't live with myself with all of that stuff in my system.

Why not?

[TMagic]

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Just some information I've picked up in class.

Any protein supplements are not really needed in a typical american diet. Americans diets are usually composed with enough protein that supplements are not even needed. Any extra protein that is taken up will be pissed out and a small portion converted to fat or used as energy. The peeing out of the extra protein can cause severe damage to the kidneys, which is never a good thing lol.

So for those of us who know that we get plenty of protein in our everyday diet (milk, meats, eggs, beans, etc), and most americans do, SUPPLEMENT PROTEIN IS A WASTE.

My professor was a body builder and was ranked 7th in the nation without protein supplementation. He was taking protein supplements and ended up having surgery on his damaged kidney which made him stop using them.

[EWRMETS]

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Just some information I've picked up in class.

Any protein supplements are not really needed in a typical american diet. Americans diets are usually composed with enough protein that supplements are not even needed. Any extra protein that is taken up will be pissed out and a small portion converted to fat or used as energy. The peeing out of the extra protein can cause severe damage to the kidneys, which is never a good thing lol.

So for those of us who know that we get plenty of protein in our everyday diet (milk, meats, eggs, beans, etc), and most americans do, SUPPLEMENT PROTEIN IS A WASTE.

My professor was a body builder and was ranked 7th in the nation without protein supplementation. He was taking protein supplements and ended up having surgery on his damaged kidney which made him stop using them.

Isn't this why people on high protein diets drink a lot of water? I doubt drinking a protein shake after a workout is going to screw up your kidneys. Your professor was probably eating 2g/lb or something.

[stewaat]

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My professor was a body builder and was ranked 7th in the nation without protein supplementation. He was taking protein supplements and ended up having surgery on his damaged kidney which made him stop using them.

That's why people stress drinking a lot of water while taking protein supplements.

Personally I've limited my protein supplement intake. 1 scoop every couple days whenever I feel like it.

On a side note I'm eating PB out of a jar and it's yummy.

[TMagic]

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What is the exact science behind the water overcompensation with protein supplementation? And where is that information coming from?

For me, I can't trust what comes out of magazines and websites because those are the people selling the protein supplements. So of course they're going to say that you need to take X amount of protein and that it won't damage your kidneys.

I'm not saying that the water trick is false. I just want to know how and why that would prevent kidney damage.

But my main point is that we, as americans, generally get plenty of protein in our diets. Body builders only need about 1.8 grms/kg. This is easily attained by just eating food.

But I would like to know the exact mechanism as to why extra water would prevent kidney damage if anybody knows.

And once again, DO NOT TRUST EVERYTHING THAT A MAGAZINE/WEBSITE SAYS. Websites are selling products and magazines have people advertising in their magazine so they cater to the advertisers product. So they are obviously not going to tell you that protein is not needed and that it can damage your body.

[NYJets]

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But my main point is that we, as americans, generally get plenty of protein in our diets. Body builders only need about 1.8 grms/lb. This is easily attained by just eating food.

I don't get close to that amount on a daily basis just by food.

[stewaat]

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What is the exact science behind the water overcompensation with protein supplementation? And where is that information coming from?

It's not water overcompensation...it dilution. You stay hydrated and you keep the excess moving out...removing waste from the body. If you piss 8 times a day as opposed to 2 times then you are obviously removing more waste from your body.

The standard is usually 1g protein : 1lb LBM (Lean body mass)

1.8g per lb is WAY TOO MUCH!!!

If you weigh 200 lbs and are 10% bf...180g protein. I scoop protein ~25g. Also people like to take Whey protein right after lifting because it is fast absorbing and enters the bloodstream quickly. Casein protein is slow digesting and people usually try to have this around bed time.

Bottom line: unless you're a competitive body builder it doesn't really matter. If you like the protein powder then take it...some of that stuff tastes really good! It's not a bad thing after lifting but if you're taking more than 2-3 scoops a day then you're overdoing it.

Just my opinion

[EWRMETS]

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Bottom line: unless you're a competitive body builder it doesn't really matter. If you like the protein powder then take it...some of that stuff tastes really good! It's not a bad thing after lifting but if you're taking more than 2-3 scoops a day then you're overdoing it.

Just my opinion

I agree. There's some concerns about how the kidneys react to way too much protein or the keto diet, but I don't think there's been any studies that have said 1 g/lb is dangerous. I don't get this much protein every day, even with a protein shake after a workout. And Optimum Nutrition Double Rich Chocolate is delicious.

T-Mac, you have to provide more information about what your professor said and what type of diet he was on.

[TMagic]

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My mistake...In my earlier post I meant to put per kilogram. NOT pound.

So at max, about 1.6-1.8 grams per kg is enough to add mass and gain strength. This being the range a body builder would likely use. Anything higher than this is unnecessary and a complete waste.

But, for the average person, .8 grams of protein is adequate.

So say your 72 kg. Using the above equation, that would be about 58 grams of protein. So say at this mass you need 2000 calories a day. If only 12% of your calories come from protein, you will have enough. That is not much. At 12%, that is 60 grams of protein based on a 2000 calorie diet.

So like I said earlier, that is not hard to attain. AT ALL. A chicken sandwich from Chic-Fil-A has about half that (28 g). A double cheeseburger from mcdonalds has close to half that (25 g). Three cups of milk is half of what you need in an entire day. Just to put things into perspective.

So that is why I say protein supplementation is not necessary and that you can get the protein you need from just the food you eat. The typical american diet generally has an excess of protein as we eat a lot of meats.

[Jonesy]

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My mistake...In my earlier post I meant to put per kilogram. NOT pound.

So at max, about 1.6-1.8 grams per kg is enough to add mass and gain strength. This being the range a body builder would likely use. Anything higher than this is unnecessary and a complete waste.

But, for the average person, .8 grams of protein is adequate.

So say your 72 kg. Using the above equation, that would be about 58 grams of protein. So say at this mass you need 2000 calories a day. If only 12% of your calories come from protein, you will have enough. That is not much. At 12%, that is 60 grams of protein based on a 2000 calorie diet.

So like I said earlier, that is not hard to attain. AT ALL. A chicken sandwich from Chic-Fil-A has about half that (28 g). A double cheeseburger from mcdonalds has close to half that (25 g). Three cups of milk is half of what you need in an entire day. Just to put things into perspective.

So that is why I say protein supplementation is not necessary and that you can get the protein you need from just the food you eat. The typical american diet generally has an excess of protein as we eat a lot of meats.

Yeah maybe if your a regular joe with body like Ray Romano .8grams per kg would be enough to maintain. Sure means you have to eat a hell of a lot of carbs and fat to make it up to 2000 cals though.

While i wholeheartedly agree that you can't believe what you read on the net (well bodybuilding sites, particularly ones that sell supps) or magazines too many refined carbs and excess consumption is why the western world is so fat. Encourgaing people to eat more healthy sources of protein like chicken breast, lean steak etc should be encouraged imo. There is also the argument of quality vs quantity of protein as well because those foods you listed (like McDonalds) may have enough protein to maintain but they also have heaps of nasties like trans fat and perservatives.

From what i have seen studies have shown that the body can't make use of more than 30grams of protein in one sitting and anymore is flushed through or converted to fat. I use that as a rough guide and try to get 30 grams every 3-4 hours but don't sweat it if i have to miss a meal because some proteins take a long time to be processed by the body (ie steak) and just always make sure i have adequate post workout protein+carbs...

[DC]

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So did people get lazy over the last 3 months. Hit the gym fellas.

[DC]

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Came across this and it has A LOT of information. Broken up into different categories, and each category has sub categories on the left hand side. Nah I don't expect you to read it all in one day but I know you are a treadmill head so they have some treadmill info there as well. And something interesting about drinking water as SOON as you wake up and guess what else.....breakfast. But I just wanted to share this with you so we can know what we need to know to fight all of the caloric/laziness temptation there is in this world

Enjoy - http://www.menshealth.com/mhlists/fitness/

No pressure at all

[stewaat]

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I'm still on the wagon...had a couple slip ups along the way but I'm still in excellent shape.

I just need to extend the period in between my slip ups!

[NYJets]

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I've been pretty good since the beginning of May. For about 2 weeks I got really lazy when school started, but besides that I haven't really skipped any days.

I'm making a lot of progress, I haven't really been weighing or measuring myself, but I'm noticing improvements.