Shooting at Virginia Tech

[coogrfan]

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BLACKSBURG, Va. - The Virginia Tech gunman sent photographs, videos and writings to NBC in New York before he died in the massacre that left 33 people dead, authorities said Wednesday. NBC said that a time stamp on the package indicated the material was mailed in the two-hour window between the first burst of gunfire and the second.

"This may be a very new, critical component of this investigation. We're in the process right now of attempting to analyze and evaluate its worth," said Col. Steve Flaherty, superintendent of Virginia State Police.

NBC said it immediately turned the package — containing what the network described as a "lengthy diatribe" — over to authorities on Wednesday.

[fsquid]

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I'm sure NBC will have a special sometime tonight on what was in that package.

[Heelfan71]

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I guess the police were right when they thought the killer had left the campus after the first shootings. Too bad he didn't kill himself then.

[Scottdau]

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I guess the police were right when they thought the killer had left the campus after the first shootings. Too bad he didn't kill himself then.

Yep, but you think they would have gone on a lock down. I can't get that.

[coogrfan]

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I'm sure NBC will have a special sometime tonight on what was in that package.

They won't be waiting that long:

The package included digital images of him holding weapons and a manifesto that "rants against rich people and warns that he wants to get even," according to a law enforcement official who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak about the case.

MSNBC said that the package included a CD-ROM on which Cho read his manifesto.

"NBC Nightly News" planned to show some of the material Wednesday night, MSNBC reported.

NBC said it immediately turned the package over to authorities on Wednesday. The package was sent to NBC News head Steve Capus.

If the package was indeed mailed between the first attack and the second, that would help explain where Cho was and what he did during that two-hour window.

[jmood88]

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Yep, but you think they would have gone on a lock down. I can't get that.

Yeah I don't understand how you have a guy who just killed people at the campus and is not in custody but you don't at least tell the students to be careful walking around or try to limit their time outside.

[Scottdau]

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Yeah I don't understand how you have a guy who just killed people at the campus and is not in custody but you don't at least tell the students to be careful walking around or try to limit their time outside.

I guess they thought that would cause more panic. I kind of understand that, but still you think they would be patrolling around the school for suspicious things going on.

[Skerik]

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Yeah I don't understand how you have a guy who just killed people at the campus and is not in custody but you don't at least tell the students to be careful walking around or try to limit their time outside.

One of the first questions that police asked at the first murder scene was, "Does her boyfriend have a gun." When it was revealed that the boyfriend was a gun fanatic whose whereabouts were currently known, off campus, they brought him in for questioning as a "person of interest." It was during that questioning that the second shooting happened. They thought they had their guy with the boyfriend.

ABC is planning to air portions of Cho's video tonight. Apparently it was sent to the president of NBC News, Steve Capus. After viewing the tape, Capus said that Cho makes a vague reference to the massacre and says, "This didn't have to happen." But it's apparently a long, profane diatribe about hatred, etc.

[coogrfan]

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Yeah I don't understand how you have a guy who just killed people at the campus and is not in custody but you don't at least tell the students to be careful walking around or try to limit their time outside.

They may have very well thought they did have the guy. This was published yesterday in the LA Times:

They were roommates and best friends and they were planning to meet in their dorm room Monday morning to go to chemistry class together. Emily Hilscher got there first and was killed. Heather Haugh arrived minutes later and became a key figure in the chaos unfolding on the Virginia Tech campus…

In an interview with The Times, Haugh said she knew of no connection between the killer and her roommate, or any reason why Cho Seung-Hui would have launched his deadly rampage on the fourth floor of West Ambler Johnston Hall.

“I’ve never seen him,” she said. “I don’t know his name. Emily didn’t know him, as far as I know.”

Haugh said that speculation that the killing spree was triggered by a domestic dispute likely stemmed from the fact that Hilscher’s boyfriend was an avid gun user. She said that when she was first questioned by police, “they asked if her boyfriend had a gun or something.”

This probably explains why the cops lifted the lockdown after the first shooting. They probably picked up Hilschler's b/f, thinking they had the guy.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

[Scottdau]

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One of the first questions that police asked at the first murder scene was, "Does her boyfriend have a gun." When it was revealed that the boyfriend was a gun fanatic whose whereabouts were currently known, off campus, they brought him in for questioning as a "person of interest." It was during that questioning that the second shooting happened. They thought they had their guy with the boyfriend.

ABC is planning to air portions of Cho's video tonight. Apparently it was sent to the president of NBC News, Steve Capus. After viewing the tape, Capus said that Cho makes a vague reference to the massacre and says, "This didn't have to happen." But it's apparently a long, profane diatribe about hatred, etc.

Yeah, but still I think they should have told people what was going on. Maybe that is why he did it that way. Maybe he knew the police would think it was someone the girl knew. Just a though.

[jmood88]

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They may have very well thought they did have the guy. This was published yesterday in the LA Times:



This probably explains why the cops lifted the lockdown after the first shooting. They probably picked up Hilschler's b/f, thinking they had the guy.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

I heard an interview with some of the police officers yesterday and they said that the person they had in custody was a close friend of the girl and while they were talking to him the other shotting happened. It was a guy but from what they were talking about he was just a "person of interest". That could've been a seperate thing though.

[jmood88]

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One of the first questions that police asked at the first murder scene was, "Does her boyfriend have a gun." When it was revealed that the boyfriend was a gun fanatic whose whereabouts were currently known, off campus, they brought him in for questioning as a "person of interest." It was during that questioning that the second shooting happened. They thought they had their guy with the boyfriend.

ABC is planning to air portions of Cho's video tonight. Apparently it was sent to the president of NBC News, Steve Capus. After viewing the tape, Capus said that Cho makes a vague reference to the massacre and says, "This didn't have to happen." But it's apparently a long, profane diatribe about hatred, etc.

Yeah that's what I heard but I didn't think that they thought he was the shooter.

[coogrfan]

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An interesting editorial:

http://content.hamptonroads.com/story.cfm?story=123061&ran=178873

Laying blame so quickly will not make anyone safer. There are plenty of questions that need to be answered thoroughly by Steger, Flinchum and others about the actions and decisions between the first and second shootings and about what information was available during an 8:25 a.m. meeting of the Virginia Tech leadership.

But unanswered questions are not evidence that "something went terribly wrong," as an Associated Press dispatch described the university's response. Because university security and administrators failed to extrapolate from a single incident to mass murder on a historic scale is not proof that anyone failed.

Indeed, the facts available so far show a textbook response. The crime scene and interviews led investigators to believe the first shooting was related to a domestic dispute. Because such murders are so sickeningly common in the United States, police know a lot about them. In almost every case, the perpetrator confines his attacks to people with whom he already has a relationship and those who try to intervene.

Lacking some critical piece of evidence not yet publicly revealed, locking down the West Ambler Johnston dormitory where the first shootings happened, notifying resident assistants and students and pursuing leads to track down the killer were the right responses.

The alternative, trying to shut down a 2,600-acre campus with 30,000 students and staff most likely would have done little to avert disaster. It could even have made it worse. If Virginia Tech police tried to clear campus, they would have flushed thousands of students into the open where Cho Seung-Hui would have had even more targets. If campus authorities asked students to shelter in their classrooms, Cho would have found plenty of victims in Norris Hall exactly as if officials had done nothing.

[Scottdau]

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An interesting editorial:

http://content.hamptonroads.com/stor...061&ran=178873

Yeah I agree, but still I would want to know if I was a student and someone got murder on campus!

[stiffarmleft]

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ABC is planning to air portions of Cho's video tonight. Apparently it was sent to the president of NBC News, Steve Capus. After viewing the tape, Capus said that Cho makes a vague reference to the massacre and says, "This didn't have to happen." But it's apparently a long, profane diatribe about hatred, etc.

WHY?!? This is what he wanted, I would aplaud NBC if they burned the tape and never show it. Why give this guy any pub, all this will do is encourage other sickos to do the same, to get their tired, sad message to the masses. I have no interest in seeing his pathetic tape nor uttering his name EVER. Just remember the victims, not this sad, sad excuse for a human.