15 yr old girl punched then pepper sprayed, justified.

[Boltman]

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[Heelfan71]

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seems justified to me. Thankfully he had it on the cam or a really big deal would be made of it. Probably could of sprayed her earlier for resisting.

[The Chef]

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Im not so sure the punch to the side of the head was really necessary, I would like to think there is more to the beginning of this tape that isnt included, otherwise I dont understand why he couldnt just place her in the back of the car and escort her home. If there is more to the beginning that isnt posted that may show why he felt she needed to be cuffed then that changes everything, and it seems there are times where those portions are kept out for the sake of the story.

EDIT- Apparently I missed the part where she bit him, in that case she got what she deserved, if she had just listened from the start then she wouldnt have had any problems in the first place. My question, and maybe Im completely out of the loop here, but it says it was a curfew violation yet according to the time on the tape its nearly 7:30 in the morning, who has a curfew that doesnt allow minors out in the morning? I could understand if they had a window of say 1:00-6:00 there is a curfew for anyone under the age of 18, but 7:30 in the morning?

[mgoblue]

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I don't think he needed to spray her, but I understand the justification. She assaulted a police officer. She obviously wasn't fully cooperating (if she just put her hands behind her back everything would have been worked out).

Sure, she was a teenager freaking out. Still though, wouldn't "Listen to the police officer" be the best idea when freaking out? He did his best not to use force. I really think the spray was unnecessary, but then again she shouldn't have resisted at all in the first place.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Why didn't she just let herself get handcuffed? Unless she had a broken arm or something that whole thing was her fault. The dude shouldn't have punched her though, that wasn't necessary, and neither was two sprays. I think one spray would've done the job.

[trobinson97]

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Justified for punching a small 15 year old girl in the face? Hardly. I can understand using more force but really, punching her? He had probably been holding that punch in too, just waiting for her to do the slightest thing so he could just pop her. You can see she didn't even get a good grip on his hand and what she did was on the glove he was wearing. He just wanted to hit her really bad, so he did. At least, that's what I think from that video. The pepper spray was just salt in the wound.

This isn't a "I hate cops and they all use unnecessary force" rant either. I have a lot of respect for most policemen. But I've seen smaller cops take down grown men without resorting to punching or spraying them.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Justified for punching a small 15 year old girl in the face? Hardly. I can understand using more force but really, punching her? He had probably been holding that punch in too, just waiting for her to do the slightest thing so he could just pop her. You can see she didn't even get a good grip on his hand and what she did was on the glove he was wearing. He just wanted to hit her really bad, so he did. At least, that's what I think from that video. The pepper spray was just salt in the wound.

This isn't a "I hate cops and they all use unnecessary force" rant either. I have a lot of respect for most policemen. But I've seen smaller cops take down grown men without resorting to punching or spraying them.

I would've been much more accepting of the actions had it been a HUGE 15 year old girl, who was swearing and if the bite had actually drew some blood.. but the chick was a twig. A man punching a woman is such a nasty image, then add in the girl is an anorexic 15 year old.. dicey.

[Boltman]

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I forgot to add (and if you watch the vid, there are comments stating as such) that she tried to take a chunk of his flesh out of his wrist. Did he not explain to her enough properly? Did he not tell her to put her arms behinds her back more than three times?

I hated when she said something along the lines of "I am not trying to go to jail" Huh? Yes you are trying to go.


I think it was justified, I can care less about her being 15 and a female. The actions caused the proper reaction.

You see how smart this cat was, he took her (once knowing how she was going to be a problem) to the front of the hood. He was looking to get this on film to protect himself.

Who ever said something about the time of day, it was clearly evening, I can care less as to the time given on the feed.

[ex carrabba fan]

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I forgot to add (and if you watch the vid, there are comments stating as such) that she tried to take a chunk of his flesh out of his wrist. Did he not explain to her enough properly? Did he not tell her to put her arms behinds her back more than three times?

I hated when she said something along the lines of "I am not trying to go to jail" Huh? Yes you are trying to go.


I think it was justified, I can care less about her being 15 and a female. The actions caused the proper reaction.

You see how smart this cat was, he took her (once knowing how she was going to be a problem) to the front of the hood. He was looking to get this on film to protect himself.

Who ever said something about the time of day, it was clearly evening, I can care less as to the time given on the feed.

Yeah she definitely had something bad coming by not letting herself get cuffed. I'm pretty sure she was drunk, that's why she was acting all stupid.

[McLite]

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I don't think I would have punched her or pepper sprayed her. She's 15...she's a twig...if you really need to go to your tools in order to subdue her with the minimal amount of force necessary then you need to hit the gym.

Nothing bothers me more than cops that won't go hands on. In 3 years I've tazed one person and pepper sprayed nobody. I punched one guy and broke his nose because he had my left thumb in his mouth and was biting down hard (thank god I had my Kevlar gloves on like that officer did).

There is nothing harder than trying to cuff somebody who doesn't want to be cuffed. It is allowed to do what the officer did per the circumstances, yes because she is actively resistant, but do you really wanna be on the internet punching a small girl in the face.

[ex carrabba fan]

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I don't think I would have punched her or pepper sprayed her. She's 15...she's a twig...if you really need to go to your tools in order to subdue her with the minimal amount of force necessary then you need to hit the gym.

Nothing bothers me more than cops that won't go hands on. In 3 years I've tazed one person and pepper sprayed nobody. I punched one guy and broke his nose because he had my left thumb in his mouth and was biting down hard (thank god I had my Kevlar gloves on like that officer did).

There is nothing harder than trying to cuff somebody who doesn't want to be cuffed. It is allowed to do what the officer did per the circumstances, yes because she is actively resistant, but do you really wanna be on the internet punching a small girl in the face.

Great post Matt. I agree with everything you said here. He obviously was having a hard time cuffing her, but damn she weighed like 80 pounds. If that bite resulted in a lot of blood, then maybe yeah do something forceful to subdue her. But punching her in the face isn't a good look for that cop. Imagine if he connected, it would've done some damage.

[fishepa]

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He said put your hands behind your back about 20 times, totally justified.

[davehughes14]

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Seemed a little excessive, but I've never tried to handcuff anyone so I don't know how hard that truly is. Especially with someone who is resisting.

[McLite]

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Seemed a little excessive, but I've never tried to handcuff anyone so I don't know how hard that truly is. Especially with someone who is resisting.

It's almost impossible if they don't want to be cuffed. Take your arms and hold them directly out to your side, then squeeze them together in front of you until your hands clap while flexing. Chest, back, shoulders, biceps, triceps, forearms, abs...basically all of your upper body strength.

If they are standing and I grab both wrists and try and bring them behind their back I can't unless I have a huge strength difference on the positive side. If I grab one wrist and pull we just go in circles (not very fun). If we go to the ground and I get one wrist then the majority of the time the other arm goes immediately under their body...so not only can't I pry that arm out because I'm holding the other, but I don't know what he has under his body (gun/knife).

That is one of the reasons you see police dog pile people when fights go to ground, and often officers punching or using batons to get that arm out. I was on top of a guy once and when we finally pried his arm out and cuffed him and rolled him over he was laying on top of a loaded .32 handgun. Now stuff like that really makes you think when the shift is over at the end of the day.

[davehughes14]

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It's almost impossible if they don't want to be cuffed. Take your arms and hold them directly out to your side, then squeeze them together in front of you until your hands clap while flexing. Chest, shoulders, biceps, triceps, forearms, abs...basically all of your upper body strength.

If they are standing and I grab both wrists and try and bring them behind their back I can't unless I have a huge strength difference on the positive side. If I grab one wrist and pull we just go in circles (not very fun). If we go to the ground and I get one wrist then the majority of the time the other arm goes immediately under their body...so not only can't I pry that arm out because I'm holding the other, but I don't know what he has under his body (gun/knife).

That is one of the reasons you see police dog pile people when fights go to ground, and often officers punching or using batons to get that arm out. I was on top of a guy once and when we finally pried his arm out and cuffed him and rolled him over he was laying on top of a loaded .32 handgun. Now stuff like that really makes you think when the shift is over at the end of the day.

Very informative Matt. I'm not in law enforcement so I obviously don't know what you guys go through, but I know that when i go to work in the morning, the thoughts of being shot at or stabbed don't enter my mind at all like they do yours probably. The way he punched her just seemed a little excessive. The officer was obviously much bigger than her, and it seemed like he might have been able to subdue her in another way. I'm sure there were other factors involved that non law enforcement people don't understand.