You know what really grinds my gears?

[Redacted01]

Re: You know what really grinds my gears?

When you're at work with your Headphones in and someone comes over to talk to you about nothing or tell you a corny *** joke.

Come on bro, I know you see the clue that I don't want to be bothered right now with your nonsense.

Just as bad, the ones that do actually need to talk to you and just call out your name because you sit nearby, and assume you'll still hear them over your music. No... it's turned up for a reason!

[l3ulvl]

Re: You know what really grinds my gears?

I once worked at a place that banned me from using headphones. Apparently it was a safety risk for me to not hear sirens/signals that were accompanied by flashing lights. Also, the person I worked with on the same machine was deaf

[JMD]

Re: You know what really grinds my gears?

I'd really like to get some input on this and see how you feel about this and how you would handle it , it really bugs me for some reason.

I'm a Painting contractor, I own my own business and have for 35 years. I do my own jobs as well as sub contracting for a couple other Painting contractors. One of them makes his employees log into an app each day called T Sheets , he says it's a great way to keep track of hours for each job, and I agree. He ask me to start using the app and to log in when I'm on his jobs, I agreed.

Here's the problem, recently he made it so you can't log on unless you have location turned on so the app can track you. So I did not log in on the last job I did for him. He asked why and I said I am not going to be tracked, it's an invasion of my privacy, if I were an on the books employee and not a sub contractor I'd do it, but as a sub I'm not going to. I then said I'm 56 years old I'm not going to BS you about when I'm on the job, the hours I bill you for are the hours i worked.

So he's still demanding I allow the tracking, at this point I'm just going to stop doing jobs for him if that's the way he wants it, I have gladly used the app for keeping track of hours but once he activated the tracking I said no.

Am I making a big deal out of nothing? There's just something about being tracked that bothers me. I guess it's like he's calling me a liar and there's no trust, don't think I can work for someone like that,

[slickdtc]

Re: You know what really grinds my gears?

I can see it both ways. He wants to protect himself and his business, and probably does trust you but doesn't want to give preferential treatment (even if earned). Meanwhile, you're well within your rights to say no.

Only solution is the one you offered since it's clear you guys aren't on the same page: no more jobs with that guy. If you can afford to lose the business with him, so be it. If not, unfortunately in this day and age, stuff like what he's doing is becoming the norm.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Re: You know what really grinds my gears?

The Hot Take Society that Sports is basically built on now.

Overreactions > Context is the "It" thing to do when discussing Sports.

[daflyboys]

Re: You know what really grinds my gears?

The Hot Take Society that Sports is basically built on now.

Overreactions > Context is the "It" thing to do when discussing Sports.

Great point. It seems like drama/emotion is taking over analysis/cognitive aspects as society becomes more drawn to that. It's almost as if the tabloids mentality is ruling.

I think related is the over-analysis of every freaking play, especially during playoff time. Sometimes fans just want to watch the action unfold. I don't need to hear about how you did it when you were a pro or why the way that blade of grass is bent and how it might affect the baseball hitting it to fill every single dead air second. Yes, this means you, too, Chris Collingsworth.

[kehlis]

Re: You know what really grinds my gears?

Am I making a big deal out of nothing? There's just something about being tracked that bothers me. I guess it's like he's calling me a liar and there's no trust, don't think I can work for someone like that,

Yes, it's how it is. He's paying you so you do it his way.

Your only options are to not take his jobs or to take his jobs and work the way he wants you to.

[ImTellinTim]

Re: You know what really grinds my gears?

Am I making a big deal out of nothing? There's just something about being tracked that bothers me. I guess it's like he's calling me a liar and there's no trust, don't think I can work for someone like that,

He's not calling you a liar or not trusting you. He's protecting his business interests. If you don't like it, don't take jobs from him anymore. It seems like you have plenty of other options. It doesn't have to be acrimonious. Just tell him you don't want to be tracked again and that it's a deal-breaker, then he can make the decision whether he wants you to keep working for him without being tracked.

It sounds like you've had a good working relationship with this guy, and I assume you also get along with him outside the context of work. This doesn't really sound like something that should be blown up into a situation where feelings are hurt.

[Redacted01]

Re: You know what really grinds my gears?

I can see why he would want to do it. I also don't necessarily see why it bothers you that much. If you're there doing the job and you you want him to trust you, he'd still know you were there. The app just proves that. It's just easier for him to probably have you follow it so that all of his other employees do so than give you a free pass and eventually others find out and want the same thing.

You can always turn it off when you're done with the job so it's not like he's "tracking" you as much as verifying you were where you said you were.

[slickdtc]

Re: You know what really grinds my gears?

Think JMD's problem is more with the location tracking stuff that's so prevalent these days then the business doing it.

I don't think that makes him a paranoid nut either. I'm 26 and I don't have location services turned on. When it's helpful, I turn it on. I understand if someone really wanted to find that stuff out, they probably could. But I'm not going to just offer it up.

It's just one of those things. Like how some people don't want to be on Facebook. It's their decision and their right, but just like you won't be able to reap the benefits of logging in through Facebook on other services, JMD probably won't be able to work for this guy anymore.

[kehlis]

Re: You know what really grinds my gears?

Think JMD's problem is more with the location tracking stuff that's so prevalent these days then the business doing it.

I don't think that makes him a paranoid nut either. I'm 26 and I don't have location services turned on. When it's helpful, I turn it on. I understand if someone really wanted to find that stuff out, they probably could. But I'm not going to just offer it up.

It's just one of those things. Like how some people don't want to be on Facebook. It's their decision and their right, but just like you won't be able to reap the benefits of logging in through Facebook on other services, JMD probably won't be able to work for this guy anymore.

It's a big difference when your protecting your location in your own personal time versus time you are being paid to be at a certain location don't you think?

[dsallupinyaarea]

Re: You know what really grinds my gears?

I'd feel some type of way about being location tracked by my employer. But like others have said, his contract, his rules.

[dickey1331]

You know what really grinds my gears?

It's a big difference when your protecting your location in your own personal time versus time you are being paid to be at a certain location don't you think?

No. privacy is still privacy. Of course this is going to be the norm eventually with cases like the St Louis Coca Cola lawsuit and the school official in New York.


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[ImTellinTim]

Re: You know what really grinds my gears?

It's an extremely poor argument to say it's an invasion of privacy for an employer or someone who has contracted you to want to know where you are when billing depends on being at a location. How is that an invasion of privacy? Sorry, but you're not on your time.

[JMD]

Re: You know what really grinds my gears?

Thanks for the input. The app doesn't track you when your not logged in so that's not an issue. I guess it's the way it all went down, I had been using the app for a couple jobs the all of the sudden it required me to turn location on to log in. If he had told me ahead of time that he was going to use the tracking, it probably wouldn't be a big deal. I'll most likely continue to do jobs for this guy, been painting for him for 5 years.

I'd also like to point out I work as a sub contractor. This means I take the job that he gets and I do it myself. None of his employees work with me. It's my responsibility to do the job start to finish. I use my equipment and I buy the paint , I bill him for my hours worked and the cost of materials.