To those of you drinking tonight

[ODogg]

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That is why I said what I did. I'm not sure how I can take that any other way. lol

If you're saying police in the parking lot will kill business then the answer is simple, use regular cars and plains clothes police officers. However, one easily identifiable cruiser patrolling bar lots is a pretty good reminder and deterrent to some so that should also occur.

Let's face it, sometimes the only way to change things is to prey on people's fears. I think a big part of the "it can't happen to me" comes from the fact that you really don't have anything to remind you that it can. Seeing a police cruiser drive through or around the lot may be enough to convince some people to take a cab. Yes probably not a lot, but as I said, if you even deter 1 driver in a night that is a success.

And knowing that a guy sitting in a parking lot with his "girlfriend" may be two undercover cops looking to stop you because you don't walk perfectly straight out of the bar may also change your mind about driving.

All in all, doing these two things is better than what is being done now, for the most part nothing.

[Cebby]

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I can tell you right now that doesn't work. A bar that I used to go to on Saturday nights always had a police presence from about 11 on. They were there early for the fights that tended to break out, but once the place closed, they would follow people, and pull them over. Might have stopped one or two people from doing it, but they still busted a ton of people each night.

Nothing will stop people from drinking and driving until you impose a real penalty.

[ODogg]

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Nothing will stop people from drinking and driving until you impose a real penalty.

Amen man. My sister's ex-boyfriend had his 6th DUI in Ohio last summer. He spent like 2 months in the county jail and is out and free as a bird. He is not supposed to drive but does anyways sometimes. I believe 3 strikes and you're out should be the rule, you get your 3rd DUI and you get life in prison should be the rule.

[Shauk25]

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The reason why drunk people survive wrecks is because, on impact their body goes loose, because of the alcohol.

Its a sad fact but thats why they always survive, the sober people their body will go stiff, causes much more injuries.

However, drunk driving penalty increasing is not feasible to the country.

Also you guys are a bit off on driving drunk and driving after drinking, there is a difference it depends on body sizes and alcohol consumption.

[ODogg]

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Also you guys are a bit off on driving drunk and driving after drinking, there is a difference it depends on body sizes and alcohol consumption.

True but studies have shown that even drinking a little bit and not being legally drunk still causes a level of impairment. And let's face it, as low as most states drunk driving levels are now, it only takes on average of 2 drinks in an hour to be considered legally drunk.

[aholbert32]

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Amen man. My sister's ex-boyfriend had his 6th DUI in Ohio last summer. He spent like 2 months in the county jail and is out and free as a bird. He is not supposed to drive but does anyways sometimes. I believe 3 strikes and you're out should be the rule, you get your 3rd DUI and you get life in prison should be the rule.

Life in prison? Two months is way too little but life? Are you serious? Must murderers and rapists dont get life and you want someone to get life for a DUI.

[ODogg]

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Life in prison? Two months is way too little but life? Are you serious? Must murderers and rapists dont get life and you want someone to get life for a DUI.

Not a single DUI, three DUI's. If you can't learn with the first two then you need to be locked up for the safety of the public. Most DUI's that result in deaths are frequent offenders, ie people with multiple DUI's. Those are the people who are the most dangerous.

[Chaos81]

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If you're saying police in the parking lot will kill business then the answer is simple, use regular cars and plains clothes police officers.

Huh? You were the one that said it would kill business, not me. I was responding to you saying they should do that because it would kill business, with the fact that it doesn't work.

Nothing will stop people from drinking and driving until you impose a real penalty.

Well no kidding. What's that have to do with anything I posted?

[aholbert32]

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Not a single DUI, three DUI's. If you can't learn with the first two then you need to be locked up for the safety of the public. Most DUI's that result in deaths are frequent offenders, ie people with multiple DUI's. Those are the people who are the most dangerous.

I just think its silly how people throw around life in prison like its nothing. Like I said most people who have committed murders dont get life. If a person has multiple DUIs there is a good chance that this person has a drinking problem and needs inpatient rehab. In MD, most judges dont force you to go to a 90 day rehab until the 2nd or 3rd DUI. I think it would be horrible to fill our already overcrowded jails with people who need rehab not imprisonment and who have committed non violent crime. I could understand if you said 10 yrs or something reasonable...but to force taxpayers to pay for a prisoner for life when that same prisoner would be better suited in a rehab program is just ridiculous.

[ODogg]

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Huh? You were the one that said it would kill business, not me. I was responding to you saying they should do that because it would kill business, with the fact that it doesn't work.

How does it not working kill business? What business? The business of catching drunks who drive? You lost me..

[ODogg]

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I just think its silly how people throw around life in prison like its nothing. Like I said most people who have committed murders dont get life. If a person has multiple DUIs there is a good chance that this person has a drinking problem and needs inpatient rehab. In MD, most judges dont force you to go to a 90 day rehab until the 2nd or 3rd DUI. I think it would be horrible to fill our already overcrowded jails with people who need rehab not imprisonment and who have committed non violent crime. I could understand if you said 10 yrs or something reasonable...but to force taxpayers to pay for a prisoner for life when that same prisoner would be better suited in a rehab program is just ridiculous.

I can assure you I don't throw around a life prison sentence like it's nothing. 3 DUI's is also not nothing. As for a drinking problem and getting help, you are right, that needs to occur after the first or second DUI. I agree it would probably overcrowd prisons but we don't (nor shouldn't) make decisions about what is the right thing to do based on how many people could potentially do it, and/or whether prisons would be overcrowded.

Also, changing the law often changes the number that commit the abuse, for example if murder was legal I'm sure many more people would do it than if it was not legal as it is now. It's quite possible that if people knew if they got a 3rd DUI they'd face life in prison they'd take the counseling and alcohol rehabilitation a bit more serious.

I just might add that the entire reason prisons exist is to protect the public from those who will do them harm and in relation to your comparisons of rapists or murderers sometimes don't get that long in prison, drunk drivers can do just as much harm as either of them if they are continued to be allowed to be free after multiple abuses.

[Chaos81]

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How does it not working kill business? What business? The business of catching drunks who drive? You lost me..

You said the following.

They should rotate where they go on a nightly basis and it should be random and periodic....in other words they couldn't camp at a bar all night, it would kill business

I replied earlier with the fact that that doesn't happen. You responded with the following.

If you're saying police in the parking lot will kill business then the answer is simple

I responded to that by saying I wasn't the one saying it would kill business, you were, in the second quote I posted here.


Follow me now?

[ODogg]

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You said the following.

I replied earlier with the fact that that doesn't happen. You responded with the following.

I responded to that by saying I wasn't the one saying it would kill business, you were, in the second quote I posted here.


Follow me now?

Ok, I gotcha now. I just meant that if cops always hit the same popular spots they'd probably get less popular over time. That's why I was saying it should be random. I know if I drank anything and was determined to drive and was at a bar and the cops were always hanging out there i'd find a new bar if it continued.

[Chaos81]

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Yeah some people probably would.

I was just pointing out, at least in this area, that doesn't happen. The popular bars always have cops around them. It might cause some people to go elsewhere, but there's a reason those bars are popular so someone else will just take their place.


Sorry for any confusion.

[aholbert32]

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I can assure you I don't throw around a life prison sentence like it's nothing. 3 DUI's is also not nothing. As for a drinking problem and getting help, you are right, that needs to occur after the first or second DUI. I agree it would probably overcrowd prisons but we don't (nor shouldn't) make decisions about what is the right thing to do based on how many people could potentially do it, and/or whether prisons would be overcrowded.

Also, changing the law often changes the number that commit the abuse, for example if murder was legal I'm sure many more people would do it than if it was not legal as it is now. It's quite possible that if people knew if they got a 3rd DUI they'd face life in prison they'd take the counseling and alcohol rehabilitation a bit more serious.

I just might add that the entire reason prisons exist is to protect the public from those who will do them harm and in relation to your comparisons of rapists or murderers sometimes don't get that long in prison, drunk drivers can do just as much harm as either of them if they are continued to be allowed to be free after multiple abuses.

Actually changing the law doesnt prevent crime. Mandatory federal drug sentences hasnt lowered the number of drug distribution arrests or drug use as a whole. 3 strikes and your out felony laws havent lowered crime stats. Mandatory sentencing just puts more people in prison and has never been shown to prevent crime. Also your example doesnt fit. You cant use "if murder was legal" as a comparison because DUI's arent legal. People are punished for DUIs all the time just not as severe as you (or I) would like.

The reasons prisons exist is to punish the individuals that commit serious crimes and to hopefully rehabilitate them. The primary reason for prisons has never been to protect the public. Thats what we have law enforcement for....protection. Again you are arguing for a 3 time DUI offender to get significantly more time than a first time (sometimes second time) murderer and/or rapist. I think thats ridiculous.