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  • jmood88
    Sean Payton: Retribution
    • Jul 2003
    • 34639

    #31
    Re: Now THIS is a frikkin' pilot

    Originally posted by Double Eights
    Find me ONE article other than the one in the OP that states 155mph wind gusts were present when the near crash occured.

    I'm not saying wind wasn't a factor. I am saying 155mph wind gusts didn't occur. Do you even understand what I'm saying? I'm not disagreeing with the fact that winds were bad, I'm disagreeing with the mention of 155mph gusts.

    I have seen zero articles that state 155mph gusts, other than the original article in this thread. Common sense makes me side on the argument of 155mph being a misquote. I am almost 100% certain the spokesperson meant the plane was going 155mph when it was hit by the gusts.

    155mph gusts is an absolute insane speed.
    No I see what you're saying, you're arguing something that has been said by the press and can't be proven by yourself to be false. Every story has the same quote so you're not going to find anything that says a different wind speed. Why don't you show a story that says that the wind wasn't going 155 mph?


    http://www.nj.com/newsflash/internat...=international


    These all have the exact same story.

    I don't know why you're hanging on the 155 thing anyway, it's pretty obvious that it was an extremely strong wind while he was landing so unless you're arguing just to argue I don't see your point.
    Last edited by jmood88; 03-03-2008, 04:28 PM.
    Originally posted by Blzer
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    • Double Eights
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      • Nov 2005
      • 5733

      #32
      Re: Now THIS is a frikkin' pilot

      Originally posted by jmood88
      No I see what you're saying, you're arguing something that has been said by the press and can't be proven by yourself to be false. Every story has the same quote so you're not going to find anything that says a different wind speed. Why don't you show a story that says that the wind wasn't going 155 mph?


      http://www.nj.com/newsflash/internat...=international


      These all have the exact same story.

      I don't know why you're hanging on the 155 thing anyway, it's pretty obvious that it was an extremely strong wind while he was landing so unless you're arguing just to argue I don't see your point.
      I originally said I didn't think 155mph gusts were correct, and you got on my case about it. When hearing of a plane trying to land in 155mph gusts, I was skeptical. I don't know of any pilots who would try to land in weather like that. I don't know of any airports that would be open when gusts of 155mph were being recorded.

      You also started to argue with me because I made a tongue-in-cheek comment about how I wondered whether I should be happy the pilot saved it from wrecking, or if I should be upset that he almost wrecked it.

      I simply said I didn't think 155mph was the correct wind gust. I also said if it was clocked correctly, what the **** was the pilot/air controller doing, trying to land in weather like that. So if anyone is arguing just to argue, it's you....basically the "same old, same old."

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      • jmood88
        Sean Payton: Retribution
        • Jul 2003
        • 34639

        #33
        Re: Now THIS is a frikkin' pilot

        Originally posted by Double Eights
        I originally said I didn't think 155mph gusts were correct, and you got on my case about it. When hearing of a plane trying to land in 155mph gusts, I was skeptical. I don't know of any pilots who would try to land in weather like that. I don't know of any airports that would be open when gusts of 155mph were being recorded.

        You also started to argue with me because I made a tongue-in-cheek comment about how I wondered whether I should be happy the pilot saved it from wrecking, or if I should be upset that he almost wrecked it.

        I simply said I didn't think 155mph was the correct wind gust. I also said if it was clocked correctly, what the **** was the pilot/air controller doing, trying to land in weather like that. So if anyone is arguing just to argue, it's you....basically the "same old, same old."
        Actually what I "got on your case" about was you trying to blame the pilot for landing in the weather when it was pretty clear that the wind was strong. The spokesman said that the wind was 155 mph, there was a storm in Germany, and from the videos you can tell that it was a strong wind. You want to put blame on the pilot for whatever reason when he not only got them out of a possible crash but pulled up and managed to land safely.
        Originally posted by Blzer
        Let me assure you that I am a huge proponent of size, and it greatly matters. Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise.

        If I went any bigger, it would not have properly fit with my equipment, so I had to optimize. I'm okay with it, but I also know what I'm missing with those five inches. :)

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        • Cyros
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          • Jun 2003
          • 12628

          #34
          Re: Now THIS is a frikkin' pilot

          The airport would probably be open as it'd likely be full of passengers but all out going flights were probably delayed.
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          • Stu
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            • Jun 2004
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            #35
            Re: Now THIS is a frikkin' pilot

            Originally posted by jmood88
            Actually what I "got on your case" about was you trying to blame the pilot for landing in the weather when it was pretty clear that the wind was strong. The spokesman said that the wind was 155 mph, there was a storm in Germany, and from the videos you can tell that it was a strong wind. You want to put blame on the pilot for whatever reason when he not only got them out of a possible crash but pulled up and managed to land safely.
            I'm pretty sure you just made his point. That the pilot shouldn't have even attempted to land.
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            • Double Eights
              Banned
              • Nov 2005
              • 5733

              #36
              Re: Now THIS is a frikkin' pilot

              Originally posted by jmood88
              Actually what I "got on your case" about was you trying to blame the pilot for landing in the weather when it was pretty clear that the wind was strong. The spokesman said that the wind was 155 mph, there was a storm in Germany, and from the videos you can tell that it was a strong wind. You want to put blame on the pilot for whatever reason when he not only got them out of a possible crash but pulled up and managed to land safely.
              At first I said it was the pilots fault in a joking manner. I said if I were a passenger, I would wonder whether I should be happy we didn't crash, or mad that we almost crashed.

              Then when I read they said 155mph gusts were being recorded, I asked why the pilot would try landing in weather like that.

              Yes, the pilot can't control the weather. But he can control whether or not he will try to land when gusts of 100+ mph are beng recorded.

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              • jmood88
                Sean Payton: Retribution
                • Jul 2003
                • 34639

                #37
                Re: Now THIS is a frikkin' pilot

                Originally posted by camulos
                I'm pretty sure you just made his point. That the pilot shouldn't have even attempted to land.
                He had no control over whether the winds would gust when he had to land and I'm sure that he didn't have the fuel to wait out a storm.
                Originally posted by Blzer
                Let me assure you that I am a huge proponent of size, and it greatly matters. Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise.

                If I went any bigger, it would not have properly fit with my equipment, so I had to optimize. I'm okay with it, but I also know what I'm missing with those five inches. :)

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                • jmood88
                  Sean Payton: Retribution
                  • Jul 2003
                  • 34639

                  #38
                  Re: Now THIS is a frikkin' pilot

                  Originally posted by Double Eights
                  At first I said it was the pilots fault in a joking manner. I said if I were a passenger, I would wonder whether I should be happy we didn't crash, or mad that we almost crashed.

                  Then when I read they said 155mph gusts were being recorded, I asked why the pilot would try landing in weather like that.

                  Yes, the pilot can't control the weather. But he can control whether or not he will try to land when gusts of 100+ mph are beng recorded.
                  From what has been reported the wind wasn't that bad until he started to land, when it started gusting. There was nowhere else for him to go.
                  Originally posted by Blzer
                  Let me assure you that I am a huge proponent of size, and it greatly matters. Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise.

                  If I went any bigger, it would not have properly fit with my equipment, so I had to optimize. I'm okay with it, but I also know what I'm missing with those five inches. :)

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                  • Double Eights
                    Banned
                    • Nov 2005
                    • 5733

                    #39
                    Re: Now THIS is a frikkin' pilot

                    Originally posted by jmood88
                    He had no control over whether the winds would gust when he had to land and I'm sure that he didn't have the fuel to wait out a storm.
                    Gusts of wind are usually 50% higher than the sustained wind, correct? Or at least somewhere around that number.

                    So say the gust was at 155mph, that would mean the sustained wind would have to be upwards of 80mph. So if the sustained winds were already around 80mph, why would you try landing?

                    I don't know the speed in which wind become a problem for landing an airplane, but I'm thinking 50+ mph makes it difficult. So if sustained wind is upwards of 80mph, I think you'd have some problems.

                    So I think the pilot should take some blame, if he tried to land with sustained winds reaching nearly 80mph.

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                    • Heelfan71
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                      • Jul 2002
                      • 19940

                      #40
                      Re: Now THIS is a frikkin' pilot

                      Wind is very unpredictable when landing. Planes land in heavy winds all the time. Just so happens that a huge gust hit the plane at the last second and pushed the wing towards the ground. Pilot did a perfect recover maneuver (what the practice in flight school) and landed the 2nd time.
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                      • Double Eights
                        Banned
                        • Nov 2005
                        • 5733

                        #41
                        Re: Now THIS is a frikkin' pilot

                        Originally posted by Heelfan71
                        Wind is very unpredictable when landing. Planes land in heavy winds all the time. Just so happens that a huge gust hit the plane at the last second and pushed the wing towards the ground. Pilot did a perfect recover maneuver (what the practice in flight school) and landed the 2nd time.
                        Yeah, I agree. He handled the situation perfectly.

                        However, should they had been in that predicament in the first place? 155mph winds just don't come out of no where.

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                        • Heelfan71
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 19940

                          #42
                          Re: Now THIS is a frikkin' pilot

                          Originally posted by Double Eights
                          Yeah, I agree. He handled the situation perfectly.

                          However, should they had been in that predicament in the first place? 155mph winds just don't come out of no where.
                          saw this about the landing from another site

                          Commercial jets are not allowed to land in winds at those speeds. In fact after 40 mph or so, all bets are usually off for landing. Diverting to another station or circling and hoping the winds die down. I would say as above pilot mentioned, the pilot deserved praise but much much criticism for attempting to land in these circumstances.
                          Had the same landing once @ 4omph and nearly lost a wing. Emerg crews stormed on board to view possible injuries after watching us land.

                          Airlines do NOT land anywhere near 45 mph, gusts probable.
                          Only in declared emergencies and even then, diversion is probable.
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                          • trobinson97
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                            • Oct 2004
                            • 16366

                            #43
                            Re: Now THIS is a frikkin' pilot




                            @Heelfan, come on man, cite your sources. Fragments and personal opinions don't give me hope that it was official.

                            In any case, that was some nice maneuvering the pilot did there. I'd have shat myself if I was on that plane.
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                            • Heelfan71
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                              • Jul 2002
                              • 19940

                              #44
                              Re: Now THIS is a frikkin' pilot

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                              25 knots = 28.8 mph

                              plane was probably going 155mph like Double Eights said. That is around the speed big planes land at.
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                              • Chaos81
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                                • Mar 2004
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                                #45
                                Re: Now THIS is a frikkin' pilot

                                From another forum.

                                Wind was 290/33 gusts to 49 (time ~ 13:55)
                                happened on flight LH 044 (D-AIQP) a A320 from MUC
                                runway for landing 23 LOC-DME (ATIS gave no other option)
                                after g/a, pilots elected runway 33 also LOC-DME approach and landed safely...

                                Airbus recommeded limits;
                                T/O 29 kts gusting 38 kts
                                Ldg: 33 kts gusting 38 kts

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