What's wrong with young men these days?

[longshadow11]

Re: What's wrong with young men these days?

Whooo! I opened up a can of worms. I posted the message here because I knew there would be many to take both viewpoints. Obviously, I think it's ridiculous that anyone would argue that it's acceptable to cuss around innocent 4 year old girls and boys. I have no problem with cutting loose with friends or adding in a swear word to enhance a joke; one of the best men I know cusses like a sailor, but he would never do it around a kid.

It just comes down to respect for other people. Those of you who think you've got the freedom to say what you want when you want will have difficulty throughout your lives. Just like any internet forum, there are a few here who need to grow up.

Some of you guys will change when you have kids of your own. You'll want to protect your babies from all sorts of bad influences.

I realize my Christian viewpoint is one that is fading and not "cool". The fact that I want to live as close to a Christian life as I can has kept me from reacting too much to all the inconsiderate jerks. Deep down I'm as mean as the next guy and could easily go off on somebody, but I have too much to lose with a family. Besides, that would make me far worse than the dudes with the foul dialogue.

Also, at 40, I might get my butt kicked. Injuries from the army and a car wreck have left me somewhat less capable physically than I used to be. Still, some of these young fellows need to know when they start messing around with grown men, there's not gonna be name calling and shoving. You older men know what I'm talking about. When it's on, it's gonna be on all out, and somebody's gonna get hurt. I have nothing to prove in a fist fight. I'm gonna grab the closest weapon I can get my hands on and try to put them down violently and quickly. Which will get me thrown in jail. So that's why I always walk away from that kind of stuff if I can. It's better to come here and vent.

Bottom line, I would like to live in a society where everyone extended smiles and handshakes instead of trying to be strutting toughguys. And any man who doesn't put kids above himself is no man at all. You're a little punk if you expose children to things an innocent shouldn't be around, and that includes foul language.

[bergie56]

Re: What's wrong with young men these days?

Whooo! I opened up a can of worms. I posted the message here because I knew there would be many to take both viewpoints. Obviously, I think it's ridiculous that anyone would argue that it's acceptable to cuss around innocent 4 year old girls and boys. I have no problem with cutting loose with friends or adding in a swear word to enhance a joke; one of the best men I know cusses like a sailor, but he would never do it around a kid.

It just comes down to respect for other people. Those of you who think you've got the freedom to say what you want when you want will have difficulty throughout your lives. Just like any internet forum, there are a few here who need to grow up.

Some of you guys will change when you have kids of your own. You'll want to protect your babies from all sorts of bad influences.

I realize my Christian viewpoint is one that is fading and not "cool". The fact that I want to live as close to a Christian life as I can has kept me from reacting too much to all the inconsiderate jerks. Deep down I'm as mean as the next guy and could easily go off on somebody, but I have too much to lose with a family. Besides, that would make me far worse than the dudes with the foul dialogue.

Also, at 40, I might get my butt kicked. Injuries from the army and a car wreck have left me somewhat less capable physically than I used to be. Still, some of these young fellows need to know when they start messing around with grown men, there's not gonna be name calling and shoving. You older men know what I'm talking about. When it's on, it's gonna be on all out, and somebody's gonna get hurt. I have nothing to prove in a fist fight. I'm gonna grab the closest weapon I can get my hands on and try to put them down violently and quickly. Which will get me thrown in jail. So that's why I always walk away from that kind of stuff if I can. It's better to come here and vent.

Bottom line, I would like to live in a society where everyone extended smiles and handshakes instead of trying to be strutting toughguys. And any man who doesn't put kids above himself is no man at all. You're a little punk if you expose children to things an innocent shouldn't be around, and that includes foul language.

What's with people talking about throwing down over swearing not directed at you? I have no problem with people being offended or bothered by others swearing, however I am willing to bet that if you had asked them to be mindful of your daughter or to move there would not have been a problem. If they didn't move you could have asked an usher to have them moved. It is somewhat sad that it would come down to that, but even talking about fisticuffs is even more ridiculous.

Also, what movie were you at in which 20 year olds were there?

[realtalktruth]

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Bottom line, I would like to live in a society where everyone extended smiles and handshakes instead of trying to be strutting toughguys. And any man who doesn't put kids above himself is no man at all. You're a little punk if you expose children to things an innocent shouldn't be around, and that includes foul language.

thats a great opinion you have there. but im going to have to agree with ThreeKing's here when he says.

There is nothing wrong with having your own thoughts and actions. It IS wrong to impose your will on other people if it makes them uncomfortable!

so im going to have to disagree with the whole "You're a little punk if you expose children to things an innocent shouldn't be around, and that includes foul language." theory.

[ballerzinc]

Re: What's wrong with young men these days?

Whooo! I opened up a can of worms. I posted the message here because I knew there would be many to take both viewpoints. Obviously, I think it's ridiculous that anyone would argue that it's acceptable to cuss around innocent 4 year old girls and boys. I have no problem with cutting loose with friends or adding in a swear word to enhance a joke; one of the best men I know cusses like a sailor, but he would never do it around a kid.

It just comes down to respect for other people. Those of you who think you've got the freedom to say what you want when you want will have difficulty throughout your lives. Just like any internet forum, there are a few here who need to grow up.

Some of you guys will change when you have kids of your own. You'll want to protect your babies from all sorts of bad influences.

I realize my Christian viewpoint is one that is fading and not "cool". The fact that I want to live as close to a Christian life as I can has kept me from reacting too much to all the inconsiderate jerks. Deep down I'm as mean as the next guy and could easily go off on somebody, but I have too much to lose with a family. Besides, that would make me far worse than the dudes with the foul dialogue.

Also, at 40, I might get my butt kicked. Injuries from the army and a car wreck have left me somewhat less capable physically than I used to be. Still, some of these young fellows need to know when they start messing around with grown men, there's not gonna be name calling and shoving. You older men know what I'm talking about. When it's on, it's gonna be on all out, and somebody's gonna get hurt. I have nothing to prove in a fist fight. I'm gonna grab the closest weapon I can get my hands on and try to put them down violently and quickly. Which will get me thrown in jail. So that's why I always walk away from that kind of stuff if I can. It's better to come here and vent.

Bottom line, I would like to live in a society where everyone extended smiles and handshakes instead of trying to be strutting toughguys. And any man who doesn't put kids above himself is no man at all. You're a little punk if you expose children to things an innocent shouldn't be around, and that includes foul language.

And I'd like ideally a society where we don't have to worry about physical violence occurring from something as trivial as cursing.

[longshadow11]

Re: What's wrong with young men these days?

Try reading the whole message. You guys just pick out what you want. The guys at the movie glared at me and tried to start something. I'm not the one starting mess with people. The sheer nerve and disrespect to mess with a man while he's with his family...yeah, a lot of dudes would want to pummel those guys. Like most men, if I'm challenged my first instinct is to wade in and let the fight begin. That lasts about a second.

Meh, responses here are about what I expected. The kind of people who agree with me probably aren't on the internet at a game site.

BTW, you can be ticketed by police for using obscenities in public.

There's no sense talking about it anymore. Punks will be punks until they grow up or go to jail. I'm certainly not gonna start any fights over it.

[thegoons21]

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Meh, responses here are about what I expected. The kind of people who agree with me probably aren't on the internet at a game site.

You lose traction when you say stuff like this. You also made an "offensive" comment in the original post regarding something like, knowing they would be talking like this before they even got close. You may not be a racist but, you have a serious problem with stereotyping people. And I find that offensive as someone who's on the internet at a game site. The pot always calls the kettle black. Worry about you saying these kinds of things and how THAT affects your kids and not some "punks" you don't even know. I'd be more offended listening to some idiot going around stereotyping groups of people than I would some kids cursing.

[longshadow11]

Re: What's wrong with young men these days?

You lose traction when you say stuff like this. You also made an "offensive" comment in the original post regarding something like, knowing they would be talking like this before they even got close. You may not be a racist but, you have a serious problem with stereotyping people. And I find that offensive as someone who's on the internet at a game site. The pot always calls the kettle black. Worry about you saying these kinds of things and how THAT affects your kids and not some "punks" you don't even know. I'd be more offended listening to some idiot going around stereotyping groups of people than I would some kids cursing.

Most people I know who are around my age don't play games. I don't expect guys without kids to fully understand what I'm saying, that's all I meant. If I'm insulting anyone I'm insulting myself as well.

Yeah, I probably could have worded that differently about the way they were dressed. I don't always associate gang-bangers as a racial thing, but that is how they were dressed. They looked like trouble. Sorry for the implications. I didn't think that clothes indicated a certain race.

Apparently you are right. I'm an idiot because my wife and I can recognize trouble after teaching teenagers for so many years. I know the swagger and I know the styles.

I never send kids to the office for cussing in my class unless it's directed at someone. Everybody slips up. They always get this look like "I can't believe I just said that!" As long as they at least act like their sorry for doing it; I'm ok.

Better, goons? At least a little?

[Dallasin2K3]

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I think the fact that this "debate" has gone on for 16 pages really says something. I think, "Yeah man, that's pretty inconsiderate of those guys to be dropping f-bombs around your 4 year old daughter," should cover it. But I guess not.

[longshadow11]

Re: What's wrong with young men these days?

Well said.

[Brandon13]

Re: What's wrong with young men these days?

I think the fact that this "debate" has gone on for 16 pages really says something. I think, "Yeah man, that's pretty inconsiderate of those guys to be dropping f-bombs around your 4 year old daughter," should cover it. But I guess not.

Actually the thread has gone in a lot of different directions and that's why it's so long. Most everyone has said that it was disrespectful for them to swear in front of the kid.

[longshadow11]

Re: What's wrong with young men these days?

You know, I think you're right, Brandon. I think a lot of people don't want to be told by anyone what they can say, and I understand that. There have been some valid points; I just don't agree with them. It doesn't mean I think they're "idiots", just not yet overly protective daddys.

Aw, man, it just makes me sad, because I know it won't be long before my youngest has heard it all and knows stuff I don't want her to know.

[Brandon13]

Re: What's wrong with young men these days?

By the time your daughter hits 5th or 6th grade she'll have heard every cuss word imaginable at school. That's just the way it goes.

[P2K]

Re: What's wrong with young men these days?

yes, i assume since you asked me that question that you fall into that category of people who are offended by these so called "cussing words". please correct me if i am wrong.

If you read my first post in here, I said it doesn't bother me because of where I come from. I'm desensitized to alot of things.

We're getting off topic here, but are you telling me that that 4 or 5 year old is stealing and his parents know about it and are repremanding him, but he keeps on doing it? If this is the case, why would his parents leave him alone anywhere where this could be a possibility?

If he stealing from kids at school, wouldn't the parents check his pockets every day when he gets home? If you're telling me there is a 4 or 5 year old clepto, the obviously the parents aren't doing their job.

They may get the idea from somewhere, but it's up to the parents to put an end to it. Kids will pick up stuff everywhere, they are sponges. Is it not the parents idea to make sure know the difference between what is right and wrong? If your kid steals because he saw someone else steal, are you telling me that your son is then just a predetermined theif and that there is nothing you can do to change that?

While it may be the right thing to do to open doors, these things are learned traits. Maybe you're the outlier here, but people naturally aren't going to randomly start opening doors for strangers unless they see others do it. Kids don't say please and thank you on their own, at least any kid I've ever met. These are all learned traits...if not from parents, then from someone the kids look up to and view as a postive figure.

Maybe we'll just agree to disagree here, but I don't believe that kids don't pick up on these things from others, namely the people who they are around the most; their parents or guardians. And I also don't believe that the parents can't correct this behavior.

Well, explain how little 3 year old boys go around trying to "play" with other boys, even with a strong father figure around. But that's all I will say about that because it could open a whole new can of ****.

Basically, yeah...you see a person hold the door for someone or see someone steal. You MAY try it. But...my point is from then on, something in your mind tells you if this is right or wrong. Many people have something in them that tells them that doing morally wrong things is fine, no matter the consequences attached. Either they don't care or they cannot determine right from wrong.

[ThreeKing]

Re: What's wrong with young men these days?

Obviously, I think it's ridiculous that anyone would argue that it's acceptable to cuss around innocent 4 year old girls and boys. I have no problem with cutting loose with friends or adding in a swear word to enhance a joke; one of the best men I know cusses like a sailor, but he would never do it around a kid.

It just comes down to respect for other people. Those of you who think you've got the freedom to say what you want when you want will have difficulty throughout your lives. Just like any internet forum, there are a few here who need to grow up.

Longshadow, this is what I have been trying to get across. All of a sudden, it turns into a "hey, everyone cusses, it's part of society."

It's is NOT about the cussing. I knew exactly what the situation was and you confirmed it. These two wannabe tough guys clearly wanted to mess with you and your family when you are minding your own business.

The problem is the people who are arguing against us are probably the younger generation. Hell, if I was 23 instead of 33, I would probably agree with other people. So to me, the bottom line is HOPEFULLY, when you all get older, you'll understand more.

[Trevytrev11]

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Well, explain how little 3 year old boys go around trying to "play" with other boys, even with a strong father figure around. But that's all I will say about that because it could open a whole new can of ****.

Because they are 3. Kids are going to experiment and test out everything. Kids are curious by nature. Also, I don't think kids of 4 or 5 understand what stealing is. Most kids think everything they see is theres. We're talking about pre-schoolers and kindergardners here. These are kids that eat paste and finger paint.

However, if the parents/guardians don't catch the kid doing what ever he's doing and reprimand him for it, he's never going to know right from wrong and will likely to continue on his path.

Basically, yeah...you see a person hold the door for someone or see someone steal. You MAY try it. But...my point is from then on, something in your mind tells you if this is right or wrong. Many people have something in them that tells them that doing morally wrong things is fine, no matter the consequences attached. Either they don't care or they cannot determine right from wrong.

I can see your point, but I can also see that kids receive positive re-enforcement from their parents and others for doing these good things, which in turn makes them feel good and want to continue doing it...or vice versa, they receive negative re-enforcement for doing bad things, which in turn makes them not want to do those things in fear of getting in trouble again.

My daughter is in day care and kids yell, hit, steal toys from eachother, don't share, etc...you can't tell me all of these kids are doomed...they are just being kids. Eventually, they will be taught how to share, why hitting and screaming is bad, etc.

If everytime you opened a door for an old lady, she told you to F-off and she could open the door herself, eventually you'd probably stop doing it, even though the reasoning for doing it hasn't changed, the result no longer justifies the work.