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  • crques
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    • Apr 2004
    • 5045

    #31
    Re: Man cleared for killing neighbors burglars

    Originally posted by Brandon13
    I'd do the same thing... if they broke into my house while I was inside. But shooting them in the back when it wasn't even his house they broke into, he went too far, imo.
    I agree with you. If they presented a danger to my family or me I could see doing that in self defense, but I would never shoot someone under circumstances like these. These guys deserved prison time but not death.

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    • beau21
      It's 5 o'clock somewhere
      • Oct 2007
      • 1813

      #32
      Re: Man cleared for killing neighbors burglars

      Originally posted by Heelfan71
      2 Illegal's and members of a organized crime ring in Houston. Good riddance.
      exactly. i have no problem with this what-so-ever.

      #1. they shouldn't have even been in this country
      #2. they shouldn't have been breaking in and stealing

      all that crap that mexican people want to come into this country for a better life? breaking in to someones house and stealing their money and jewelry... some life... i don't have any sympathy for them
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      • Trevytrev11
        MVP
        • Nov 2006
        • 3259

        #33
        Re: Man cleared for killing neighbors burglars

        Originally posted by p_rushing
        Please everyone against this guy post your address online so all the criminals can come break into your home and steal all your stuff since you won't be doing anything to stop them.

        If you break into my house, if I had a gun, I wouldn't think twice about using it. He told them to stop or he would shoot, they kept running, they got the consequences. Criminals will think twice about breaking into homes in states like Texas where they have laws protecting people for using a gun against people committing a crime. The only way I would feel anything for the criminals is if they were only stealing food because they and their family were starving.

        That's fine and dandy, but it wasn't his house. It was his neighbors house. Big difference. If someone is breaking into my neighbors house, they are not a threat to me. I would call the cops and let the law run it's course. If it's my house, then all bets are off.

        As others stated, he could have fired in the air, in the knee, etc. Instead he shot them in the back as they tried to flee. Apperantly they ran directly at him then angled off, but the long and short is both men were shot in the back.

        I just don't agree with this. Does this give people right to do the same to kids that are shoplifting at Target or Walmart? Some 13 year old kid tries to snag an Ipod and he get's capped by a civilian who happened to be carrying a weapon because he got scared and tryeid to run away? Had it been the man's own house, I would agree 110%, but it wasn't.

        And as far as them being illegal immigrants, that is true, but there is no way he knew that. What if they had been been good church going US citizens who hit some bad luck and happened to stealing for their family, would it make a difference. He (the shooter) wouldn't have known either way. So this didn't impact his decision.

        I just don't think it sets a good precedent for vigilanty justice.
        Last edited by Trevytrev11; 07-02-2008, 10:34 AM.

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        • Trevytrev11
          MVP
          • Nov 2006
          • 3259

          #34
          Re: Man cleared for killing neighbors burglars

          Originally posted by beau1221
          exactly. i have no problem with this what-so-ever.

          #1. they shouldn't have even been in this country
          #2. they shouldn't have been breaking in and stealing

          all that crap that mexican people want to come into this country for a better life? breaking in to someones house and stealing their money and jewelry... some life... i don't have any sympathy for them
          Maybe I agree with this to a point, but I don't see how the quality of life the victim lived makes a difference since the shooter had no clue at the time of the shooting. He didn't know if they were hard working legal citizens, street thugs, etc.

          Obviously they shouldn't be stealing, but according to the laws, the penalty for theft in the court of law, isn't death.

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          • mattsb84
            Rookie
            • Dec 2007
            • 378

            #35
            Re: Man cleared for killing neighbors burglars

            Originally posted by Trevytrev11
            Maybe I agree with this to a point, but I don't see how the quality of life the victim lived makes a difference since the shooter had no clue at the time of the shooting. He didn't know if they were hard working legal citizens, street thugs, etc.

            Obviously they shouldn't be stealing, but according to the laws, the penalty for theft in the court of law, isn't death.
            Criminals are victims? They're here illegally, one had prior history in this country for a cocaine bust, and was deported, he came back, illegally, and was caught robbing a house with his other illegal alien buddy. You honestly think these two have any real value here in America? It's two less criminals on the street, why are you bothered by this?

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            • ThreeKing
              Banned
              • Aug 2007
              • 5852

              #36
              Re: Man cleared for killing neighbors burglars

              Originally posted by mattsb84
              Criminals are victims? They're here illegally, one had prior history in this country for a cocaine bust, and was deported, he came back, illegally, and was caught robbing a house with his other illegal alien buddy. You honestly think these two have any real value here in America? It's two less criminals on the street, why are you bothered by this?

              I agree. I can't, in my right mind, understand how anyone could defend these idiots at all.

              Two less sh*theads the world has to deal with.

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              • Moses Shuttlesworth
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                • Aug 2006
                • 9435

                #37
                Re: Man cleared for killing neighbors burglars

                Originally posted by ThreeKing
                I agree. I can't, in my right mind, understand how anyone could defend these idiots at all.

                Two less sh*theads the world has to deal with.

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                • Husker_OS
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                  • Jun 2003
                  • 21459

                  #38
                  Re: Man cleared for killing neighbors burglars

                  You break into my house, you better be wearing bullet-proof armor. I don't care if you're a citizen of this country or not. Too many times a burglar brings weapons and with my family in the house, can't take any chances.
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                  • TheMatrix31
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                    • Jul 2002
                    • 52906

                    #39
                    Re: Man cleared for killing neighbors burglars

                    Originally posted by Trevytrev11
                    That's fine and dandy, but it wasn't his house. It was his neighbors house. Big difference. If someone is breaking into my neighbors house, they are not a threat to me. I would call the cops and let the law run it's course. If it's my house, then all bets are off.
                    They're not a threat to you?

                    Okay, so if they come and rob your neighbors house and get away with it, who's to say that YOUR house isn't next on their list? That's ridiculous. It's reactive thinking like this that gets people into the situations they're in. You have to stop things before they start.

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                    • dkgojackets
                      Banned
                      • Mar 2005
                      • 13816

                      #40
                      Re: Man cleared for killing neighbors burglars

                      Originally posted by TheMatrix31
                      They're not a threat to you?

                      Okay, so if they come and rob your neighbors house and get away with it, who's to say that YOUR house isn't next on their list? That's ridiculous. It's reactive thinking like this that gets people into the situations they're in. You have to stop things before they start.
                      yep

                      good riddance to those two

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                      • realtalktruth
                        Rookie
                        • Sep 2007
                        • 472

                        #41
                        Re: Man cleared for killing neighbors burglars

                        Originally posted by TheMatrix31
                        They're not a threat to you?

                        Okay, so if they come and rob your neighbors house and get away with it, who's to say that YOUR house isn't next on their list? That's ridiculous. It's reactive thinking like this that gets people into the situations they're in. You have to stop things before they start.
                        i think he is talking about the fact that the cops were on their way to go arrest the dudes but he decided to save them the trouble and court fees.

                        what would you people supporting him think if the situation happened the same way but instead the criminals had guns and the man ended up dieing? i would of said, he should of let trained professionals do their job, what about you?
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                        • Adam Dayton
                          Banned
                          • Jan 2008
                          • 1835

                          #42
                          Re: Man cleared for killing neighbors burglars

                          Originally posted by beau1221
                          exactly. i have no problem with this what-so-ever.

                          #1. they shouldn't have even been in this country
                          #2. they shouldn't have been breaking in and stealing

                          all that crap that mexican people want to come into this country for a better life? breaking in to someones house and stealing their money and jewelry... some life... i don't have any sympathy for them
                          They were Columbian, you just make yourself sound ignorant when you lump them with Mexicans. The man stated many times he intended to kills those individuals for robbing his neighbors house, and he went ahead and gunned them down both in the back. Of course he deserves substantial jailtime. With your logic, if someone is doing something wrong or against the law like stealing or being an illegal immigrant, that gives someone else the right to murder them. I am sure you have done some illegal things in your life, does someone else have the right to murder you for smoking marijuana? Completely absurd.

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                          • Brandon13
                            All Star
                            • Oct 2005
                            • 8915

                            #43
                            Re: Man cleared for killing neighbors burglars

                            Originally posted by TheMatrix31
                            They're not a threat to you?

                            Okay, so if they come and rob your neighbors house and get away with it, who's to say that YOUR house isn't next on their list? That's ridiculous. It's reactive thinking like this that gets people into the situations they're in. You have to stop things before they start.
                            I don't really feel bad for these two, but I'll throw out a situation that's kind of similar but not the same:

                            If you owned a gas station and a car pulled away without paying for their gas would you shoot to kill?

                            I know I'm stretching it but that would stop the thing before it started.

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                            • Adam Dayton
                              Banned
                              • Jan 2008
                              • 1835

                              #44
                              Re: Man cleared for killing neighbors burglars

                              Originally posted by Brandon13
                              I don't really feel bad for these two, but I'll throw out a situation that's kind of similar but not the same:

                              If you owned a gas station and a car pulled away without paying for their gas would you shoot to kill?

                              I know I'm stretching it but that would stop the thing before it started.
                              Exactly. Killing is the ultimate decision that states deem fit for muderers, serial killers, child rapists (up until recently), etc. And, these individuals recieve a fair trial with judge and jury. Robbing someone's house hardly makes them deserve death. Even if these dudes lets say were serial killers in between kills for instance. Unless they were a direct threat to other people or to that individual, in no way shape or form does a citizen have the right to simply murder them. Noone has the right to be the judge and jury rolled into one, and this dude deserves a minimum of 15 years in jail. That is not to say I feel particularly bad for these deceased individuals, as I express empathy for infants with leukemia and landmine victims, not criminal illegal immigrants. But, for anyone to feel that the man was completely justified in his actions, that is ridiculous

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                              • Cebby
                                Banned
                                • Apr 2005
                                • 22327

                                #45
                                Re: Man cleared for killing neighbors burglars

                                Originally posted by Adam Dayton
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