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  • Brandon13
    All Star
    • Oct 2005
    • 8915

    #61
    Re: New Orleans may get another surge

    Originally posted by BrianFifaFan
    Huge areas along the Mississippi River are flood plains. And Oklahoma City gets hit by F5 tornadoes. And I guess we shouldn't rebuild L.A. or San Fran if they get the "big one" either? This comment is nonsensical. As long as nature exists and we can't control it, there will be disasters. Oh, did I mention the forest fires out west? How about we just pray that everyone gets out of the way and no life is lost, our "true national treasure?"
    Agreed.

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    • BrianFifaFan
      Semi-retired
      • Oct 2003
      • 4137

      #62
      Re: New Orleans may get another surge

      A little bit better news, Gustav has weakened a bit according to the latest news and has done so for all day. They said it could be a 4 when it hits, but the monster Cat.5 predictions with it weakening to a 4 seem to have not come true. Divine intervention, I'd say. The only bad thing is that it's moving far faster now and will stress the evacutation efforts. But there seems to be a lot better handle by all parties involved on this one. Pray.......
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      • Jackdog
        Wolverine Soldier
        • Aug 2002
        • 7719

        #63
        Re: New Orleans may get another surge

        Originally posted by BrianFifaFan
        A little bit better news, Gustav has weakened a bit according to the latest news and has done so for all day. They said it could be a 4 when it hits, but the monster Cat.5 predictions with it weakening to a 4 seem to have not come true. Divine intervention, I'd say. The only bad thing is that it's moving far faster now and will stress the evacutation efforts. But there seems to be a lot better handle by all parties involved on this one. Pray.......
        Katrina was a Cat 3 so I ain't jumping for joy and praising the lord yet. The little rant you had talks about cities that are above sea level. New Orleans isn't. That was the point of ZB9's post. I see you live in Dayton. You know what that wall is along the Miami River that goes through your city? You know why it's there? It will protect Dayton from another flood. Dayton. All that wall to save your city from a river I can wade across.

        Now picture New Orleans with the Gulf on one side and Lake Pontchartrain on the other and the Mississippi River running down the middle and the city is below sea level. Rebuilding every 50 years is fruitless let alone the loss of life when these things hit. It make no sense to stay there.

        PS......We did go into Afghanistan. I wish you could have been there with us.
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        • BrianFifaFan
          Semi-retired
          • Oct 2003
          • 4137

          #64
          Re: New Orleans may get another surge

          Originally posted by Jackdog
          Katrina was a Cat 3 so I ain't jumping for joy and praising the lord yet. The little rant you had talks about cities that are above sea level. New Orleans isn't. That was the point of ZB9's post. I see you live in Dayton. You know what that wall is along the Miami River that goes through your city? You know why it's there? It will protect Dayton from another flood. Dayton. All that wall to save your city from a river I can wade across.

          Now picture New Orleans with the Gulf on one side and Lake Pontchartrain on the other and the Mississippi River running down the middle and the city is below sea level. Rebuilding every 50 years is fruitless let alone the loss of life when these things hit. It make no sense to stay there.

          PS......We did go into Afghanistan. I wish you could have been there with us.
          You're missing the whole point. Regardless of where you build in these here United States of America, there's an inherent set of risks. And most of the upper Mississippi River is flood prone. There are persons who say the same thing about them rebuilding after their floods. And Florida has it's share of hurricanes, as well. They all cost a lot of money to recover from. According to his line of reasoning, San Fran shouldn't have been rebuilt after the big quake in the 1900's. They probably should've known that there's a propensity for earth shaking out there. Sure N.O. is below sea level, so are the Netherlands, hence their name. It's a matter of money well spent, not half-azzed band-aids. Oh let me digress, the Netherlands have very violent flood-causing winter storms every year, some worse than others. They've just learned to build better flood protection systems, not say this land is uninhabitable.

          As to our levies here in Dayton, they are a beautifully designed system that came into being after the great flood here. The walls are part of a comprehensive flood-protection system. And it works quite well. You should read the history of how they were designed and who designed them. The guy wasn't even an engineer. As to the other, I was in the military, also. USAF, worked on the F-117A program in the middle of the Nevada desert. But I said I won't go there, and it is a violation of TOS to get too political, so I'll let it be. Peace, and like I said before, we need to pray for the people..... Brian
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          • Jackdog
            Wolverine Soldier
            • Aug 2002
            • 7719

            #65
            Re: New Orleans may get another surge

            Originally posted by BrianFifaFan
            You're missing the whole point. Regardless of where you build in these here United States of America, there's an inherent set of risks. And most of the upper Mississippi River is flood prone. There are persons who say the same thing about them rebuilding after their floods. And Florida has it's share of hurricanes, as well. They all cost a lot of money to recover from. According to his line of reasoning, San Fran shouldn't have been rebuilt after the big quake in the 1900's. They probably should've known that there's a propensity for earth shaking out there. Sure N.O. is below sea level, so are the Netherlands, hence their name. It's a matter of money well spent, not half-azzed band-aids. Oh let me digress, the Netherlands have very violent flood-causing winter storms every year, some worse than others. They've just learned to build better flood protection systems, not say this land is uninhabitable.

            As to our levies here in Dayton, they are a beautifully designed system that came into being after the great flood here. The walls are part of a comprehensive flood-protection system. And it works quite well. You should read the history of how they were designed and who designed them. The guy wasn't even an engineer. As to the other, I was in the military, also. USAF, worked on the F-117A program in the middle of the Nevada desert. But I said I won't go there, and it is a violation of TOS to get too political, so I'll let it be. Peace, and like I said before, we need to pray for the people..... Brian
            I spent a lot of time at Wright-Pat. I like the city and I know all about the 1913 flood and the building of the levies there. Pretty impressive.I enjoyed the Dragons and Frickers.

            Your point about the Netherlands is well taken. Lucky for them they never had to overcome corruption to build that system. I'll leave it at that.

            I am glad to hear you served. I tend to get short with people that haven't and mention places they’ve never been. If I seemed short on the subject I apologize. Mark that down because I don't do it very much.

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            • 23
              yellow
              • Sep 2002
              • 66469

              #66
              Re: New Orleans may get another surge

              One thing I'd like to mention about the suggestions of wildfires here in Cali being a natural disaster isnt the case all of the time.

              It's other factors like

              Sometimes arsonists are involved

              The affected area is usually somewhere that doesnt affect most of the population here

              The fires are usually in an area where there isnt a large group of people like in malibu

              The area is somewhere around where people with unusually high incomes or very wealthy are (only) which leads me to it being some areas people probably have no business moving anyhow. If its not the fire, its the flood water they've built in the path of a flash flood area

              As far as earthquakes, there is nothing at all you can do about the ground shaking, especially when you can't even get a heads up on when its going to happen, but, but buildings are made with rollers on the foundations so that the buildings dont just shake with the quake but the rollers sway them , so precautions and different methods were taken place to prevent it from happening on that same magnitude.

              Im not sure that is the case with NO, especially with it being built on a hot spot in the first place.

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              • BrianFifaFan
                Semi-retired
                • Oct 2003
                • 4137

                #67
                Re: New Orleans may get another surge

                Originally posted by Jackdog
                I spent a lot of time at Wright-Pat. I like the city and I know all about the 1913 flood and the building of the levies there. Pretty impressive.I enjoyed the Dragons and Frickers.

                Your point about the Netherlands is well taken. Lucky for them they never had to overcome corruption to build that system. I'll leave it at that.

                I am glad to hear you served. I tend to get short with people that haven't and mention places they’ve never been. If I seemed short on the subject I apologize. Mark that down because I don't do it very much.

                Peace to you as well.
                I'm glad to see you've been to Dayton, I'm pretty fond of it. I was born at WPAFB in the base hospital. Brat for 18 years, then I went in. I've seen a lot of the world during my time. And I understand the "short" part, no offense taken. Back to the levie thing for a second, the reason the Great Miami is so low that you can walk across it is because of the levies and the whole system. I live 5 minutes from the Englewood Reserve, which keeps the Stillwater in check, a main feeder for the G.M. River.

                New Orleans can get the protection it needs, far more than L.A. or Xenia, OH. They have things happen that you really can't protect against. Building a proper levie system would be costly, but not cost prohibitive. It's just a matter of national priorities, which I was alluding to about the war and our Governments choices for "what's best for U.S.(us). But I didn't mean to strike a nerve and I deserved some snide remarks in return. I went there. I really have no problem with persons who don't agree with me politically, so I'm saying sorry if I struck that nerve. But I'll say that everyone should pray or give thoughts to the persons affected by this event. I know I don't want to have a fire or tornado or any tragedy happen to me. So I can't help but to not want it happen to anyone else. And hopefully nobody else would,either. Peace, Brian
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                • BrianFifaFan
                  Semi-retired
                  • Oct 2003
                  • 4137

                  #68
                  Re: New Orleans may get another surge

                  Originally posted by KDRE_OS
                  One thing I'd like to mention about the suggestions of wildfires here in Cali being a natural disaster isnt the case all of the time.

                  It's other factors like

                  Sometimes arsonists are involved

                  The affected area is usually somewhere that doesnt affect most of the population here

                  The fires are usually in an area where there isnt a large group of people like in malibu

                  The area is somewhere around where people with unusually high incomes or very wealthy are (only) which leads me to it being some areas people probably have no business moving anyhow. If its not the fire, its the flood water they've built in the path of a flash flood area

                  As far as earthquakes, there is nothing at all you can do about the ground shaking, especially when you can't even get a heads up on when its going to happen, but, but buildings are made with rollers on the foundations so that the buildings dont just shake with the quake but the rollers sway them , so precautions and different methods were taken place to prevent it from happening on that same magnitude.

                  Im not sure that is the case with NO, especially with it being built on a hot spot in the first place.
                  I wasn't trying to infer that all of the fires are natural disasters. But some are caused by lightning. I think the San Diego was, if I remember correctly. And many of the ones in Idado and Wyoming are. I'll grant they have low population densities, but there are many homes burnt by fire. And the fires burn so fiercely due to persitent drought conditions, some of which are man-made as well. Now as to the earthquake thing, there are pro-active steps to minimize damage, like the rollers and tougher construction codes. I lived in Vegas and many buildings are built earthquake resistant. Probably all new ones are.

                  Now not getting too political, but N.O. is historically poor. There is no great push to poor huge amounts of tax dollars into an area that offers little in the way of influence or ROI. Baton Rouge is another economically depressed area. Not a lot of investment on infrastructure there. The south, outside of Florida, Georgia, parts of Alabama and Texas don't get much federal love at all. I was only trying to make a point on the one thing about I can't possibly stomach my tax dollars not being spent on helping my fellow man or woman in their time of need, when we have money to spend on everything from the mating habits of Monarch Butterflys to Lobbyists or, we'll I already said that..... But I'll give props on this: I'm gonna have to give credit for the GOP shutting down the politics for Gustav. Classy........

                  P.S. I wasn't trying to infer that tax dollars fund lobbyists, but all the money being spent on stupid stuff like lobbyists in Washington by businesses and greasing lawmakers pockets should be gotten rid of so the government can be doing stuff like looking out for the people. (non-partisan comment...)
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                  • NEW_ORLEANS
                    MVP
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 1968

                    #69
                    Re: New Orleans may get another surge

                    Originally posted by BrianFifaFan
                    Huge areas along the Mississippi River are flood plains. And Oklahoma City gets hit by F5 tornadoes. And I guess we shouldn't rebuild L.A. or San Fran if they get the "big one" either? This comment is nonsensical. As long as nature exists and we can't control it, there will be disasters. Oh, did I mention the forest fires out west? How about we just pray that everyone gets out of the way and no life is lost, our "true national treasure?"

                    I'm sorry, it's nothing personal, but I get so tired of hearing about the money stuff in these instances. I won't even begin to start about how my tax dollars are spent on unjust wars.(should've went to Afganistan...) If they have to use my tax dollars to rebuild a life or evacuate a person from harm's way, more power to 'em..........
                    Thank you I don't waste my time on comments like that. It's like they think money is worth more than people's lively hood.

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                    • dkgojackets
                      Banned
                      • Mar 2005
                      • 13816

                      #70
                      Re: New Orleans may get another surge

                      Why should my money go to help people's livelihood who knowingly put themselves in a precarious position and go right back to a place that has repeatedly been pounded by hurricanes?

                      Freak, unforeseen disasters are one thing. A predictable pattern is another.

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                      • BrianFifaFan
                        Semi-retired
                        • Oct 2003
                        • 4137

                        #71
                        Re: New Orleans may get another surge

                        Originally posted by dkgojackets
                        Why should my money go to help people's livelihood who knowingly put themselves in a precarious position and go right back to a place that has repeatedly been pounded by hurricanes?
                        How many times has Florida been hit since 1991? How many times has N.O. been hit in my lifetime? (42 years) 3 times, exactly. The only reason it has become such a huge issue is the timeline. 3 years between major hurricanes. Betsy, the last major to hit N.O. was when I was three. Not bad odds there. Especially for a city below sea level that has been there since before the Louisiana Purchase..........
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                        • NEW_ORLEANS
                          MVP
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 1968

                          #72
                          Re: New Orleans may get another surge

                          Originally posted by dkgojackets
                          Why should my money go to help people's livelihood who knowingly put themselves in a precarious position and go right back to a place that has repeatedly been pounded by hurricanes?

                          Freak, unforeseen disasters are one thing. A predictable pattern is another.
                          I can do nothing but respect how you feel. I somehow feel that way I was born and raised there for 25 years and after Katrina I refused to move back there, but never questioned anyone elses reason to do so.

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                          • Jackdog
                            Wolverine Soldier
                            • Aug 2002
                            • 7719

                            #73
                            Re: New Orleans may get another surge

                            Bobby Jindal is a doing a kick arse job right now.
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                            • Brandon13
                              All Star
                              • Oct 2005
                              • 8915

                              #74
                              Re: New Orleans may get another surge

                              Very good video.

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                              Bottom line, build levees that do their job and New Orleans is not at a much greater risk than other cities along the Gulf Coast.

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                              • RAZRr1275
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                                • Sep 2007
                                • 9918

                                #75
                                Re: New Orleans may get another surge

                                I know it's ridiculous to be living in a place below sea level but these people have been living there all their lives. And most can't really afford to get out anyway. I went there on vacation and most of my family down there lives in the backwoods on farms somewhere. They don't have the cash to leave. And the city of new orleans itself isn't much better than the Projects in places as far as financial situations. They can't leave even if they want to. My biggest thing is if you abandon that place what do you do with the people already there?
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