7 dead 12 wounded in shooting spree

[countryboy]

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Give it a rest with the terrorist attack crap man. Really.

then what do you call it? A going on a rampage? A guy wanting out of the Army and this is how he decided to do it? A guy with a mental problem that was no sane when committing this horrific act?

What do you call it? Because to me, given the details that are coming out, this looks like an act of terrorism. He doesn't have to be affiliated with Al-Qaeda or the Taliban to committ an act of terrorism. He doesn't have to be linked to any group, to do an act of terrorism.

So, what do you call it?

[Jackdog]

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So, apparently, he gave all his stuff away along with copies of the Quran on Thursday morning. He was seen on surveillance video @ a nearby convenience store wearing traditional white garb. He yelled "Allah Ewakbar" before going on the rampage.

http://www.kxxv.com/Global/story.asp?S=11453922

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/11/06/2009-11-06_susptected_gunman_in_fort_hood_shooting_maj_nidal_malik_hasan_shouted_allah_akba.html

.....folks, there was an terrorist attack on American soil yesterday.

My nephews told me some things this morning that I really don't want to go into here. Let me just say I agree with your assessment.

I also do not want to hear he suffered from PTSD. He's never served overseas. He was a psychiatrist,he would have only seen action if the hospital he was assigned to was overran.

[Jackdog]

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I agree with this. This guy should have been sent packing.

And Jackdog I don't think it has anything to do with political correctness. I think that's just the Armys way. Back when I was in the service(yes,you may find that hard to believe,but I did serve in the Army) I saw plenty of officers who should have been drummed out get promoted to higher rank. I think if the Major had been an enlisted man who was doing and saying that stuff,he'd have been drummed out in a heartbeat. And I'm not trying to argue with you,that's just my take.

Thanks for serving. I served in front line combat units my whole career. If anyone,officer or enlisted wasn't passing Evals they were gone. I'm familiar with this practice of promoting undeserving officers. Not saying it doesn't happen,just saying I didn't see it.

[jeremym480]

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So, apparently, he gave all his stuff away along with copies of the Quran on Thursday morning. He was seen on surveillance video @ a nearby convenience store wearing traditional white garb. He yelled "Allah Ewakbar" before going on the rampage.

http://www.kxxv.com/Global/story.asp?S=11453922

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2009/11/06/2009-11-06_susptected_gunman_in_fort_hood_shooting_maj_nidal_malik_hasan_shouted_allah_akba.html

.....folks, there was an terrorist attack on American soil yesterday.

Yeah i heard that he was screaming that the entire time. Also, there are reports that someone had carved the name "Allah" on his car recently and that he wanted it charged as a "hate crime". But, he got pissed because the military said that it was only mischief.

I'm still in shock about this whole thing. I can't believe that something like this happened at a U.S. Military Base, it's such a shame.

I'm thinking about going to my local Red Cross and giving blood and maybe that can in someway help the wounded soldiers.

[Jackdog]

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Give it a rest with the terrorist attack crap man. Really.

I disagree. It was a domestic terrorist attack. It was planned and commuted by a man that issues with this country policies and the Army he served in.

[Jackdog]

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Yeah i heard that he was screaming that the entire time. Also, there are reports that someone had carved the name "Allah" on his car recently and that he wanted it charged as a "hate crime". But, he got pissed because the military said that it was only mischief.

I'm still in shock about this whole thing. I can't believe that something like this happened at a U.S. Military Base, it's such a shame.

I'm thinking about going to my local Red Cross and giving blood and maybe that can in someway help the wounded soldiers.

That's a great idea and I'm sure it would be greatly appreciated.

[LtGen]

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And before anybody goes off on me,I'm not defending this guy. Not at all. I'm just somebody who believes in waiting for all the facts to come out. With that being said,I'm glad the guy is alive,hopefully they do what they have to do to get some answers out of him.

Sad thing is,with some of the stuff this guy was apparently saying,he should have been gone from the service a long time ago.

[Skerik]

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I saw this posted elsewhere today and maybe it helps answer the question of why this guy was still in the Army. It was posted by someone who served as a medical officer at Fort Hood earlier this decade.

It is true that the promotion for medical and dental officers in the Army is extraordinarily easy. Just as long as you don’t kill anyone, fraternize with enlisted or come out of the closet, and get decent Officer Evaluation Reports, you’ll easily make Lieutenant Colonel in 20 years. With a little more work and additional schooling, you could make full Colonel. But basically you can set your clock to getting promoted every 7 years. So he may have had one bad report, but probably did barely enough to get him through the promotion board. But we don’t know what “bad” means…he may have simply failed the physical fitness tests, or he may have no clinical skills at all.

The Army has a unique way of handling providers who pose an obvious threat to soldiers they are supposed to care for. We had one dental officer who practiced dentistry far below the standard of care. He was moved first to doing examinations only (the most benign job) and eventually moved to an administrative job. The Army unfortunately can’t fire anyone, they just take them out of the equation or move them around to where they can’t hurt anyone. Being released from the military is a different story. Hasan’s obligation to the military depends on how much ROTC time, medical school time and residency time added up to. So if the Army paid for his education, he is obligated to serve, and there’s almost no way out of that. He could pay the Army back that money and get out of the contract, but that’s a long, long paper trail. There’s always the conscientious objector route, but if he was sincere, and not the loon he is appearing to be, his chain of command (superior officers) might have exempted him from deployment. However, he is a medical officer and NOT a combat soldier, so that argument just about flies out the window, since his role is medical support, and not combat. I’ve heard a lot of ways out of deployment (ie Ehren Watada, Tina Mahuika) and each case is unique. Ultimately the final decision can be influenced by the chain of command’s perception of the officer.

[Jackdog]

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And before anybody goes off on me,I'm not defending this guy. Not at all. I'm just somebody who believes in waiting for all the facts to come out. With that being said,I'm glad the guy is alive,hopefully they do what they have to do to get some answers out of him.

Sad thing is,with some of the stuff this guy was apparently saying,he should have been gone from the service a long time ago.

Nobody will be allowed to go off on you. Your entitled to your opinion. Just lay off calling others peoples opinions "Crap". Thanks.

[LtGen]

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If the guy is that much of a risk,then stick him on some post like Ft.Lee,where chances of deployment are pretty slim. But to stick him on Ft.Hood,where odds are,if you're stationed there you're getting deployed. Somebody screwed the pooch on that one.

[Jackdog]

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I saw this posted elsewhere today and maybe it helps answer the question of why this guy was still in the Army. It was posted by someone who served as a medical officer at Fort Hood earlier this decade.

Thanks for the info. I had no idea how that part of the service works as far as promoting officers with a medical MOS.

[Cusefan]

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Get ready for some hate crimes around the Country

[Jackdog]

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Get ready for some hate crimes around the Country

I hope not. I was proud of the way Americans handled 9/11. I think they will do the same with this.

[jim416]

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Nobody will be allowed to go off on you. Your entitled to your opinion. Just lay off calling others peoples opinions "Crap". Thanks.

Exactly.

[jetercanoturn2]

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Get ready for some hate crimes around the Country

and copycats, like what happened in Orlando today