The disturbing trend at OS

[bluengold34_OS]

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How can I complain when I go from this to this

[DC]

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Part of it is priorities.

Game modes may be broken or buggy, yet the louded people are complaining about the Cavs not having white headbands on the road or whatever.

There are some fundamental flaws in a few of the games released this year, but the amount of noise and attitude about it is pretty alarming.

People questioning the importance of other's game issues needs to stop.

Why is that man not entitled to complain about Cav's headbands when they have been broken for YEARS?

[Chef Matt]

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How can I complain when I go from this to this

Wow talk about puttin it into perspective.

[muggins]

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I don't think it is the age difference. I've played games since NES and Atari and Colecovision. I still get pissed off when Madden ships with lineman ratings not mattering or NBA2k shipping with online broken, my player broken, etc etc. It just seems like these software shops never took a class in TESTING.

Sure the game works fine in one mode, but you can't change the number of minutes in My Player! Sure Madden is nice offline, but you can't set Out of Office or change sliders (fundamental issues that were handled in NCAA 09!) in online franchise!

It just seems like boneheaded moves that any of us could fix. Why would you add stupid stuff like fight for the fumble when you could FIX THE OTHER ISSUES!

Yeah, the games look a lot better today. More functionality. But you're paying $60 here, you don't deserve a turd sandwich. And yes I do agree, posting by whiners and trolls and babies has gotten way out of hand, but you shouldn't just accept what you're given unless it is a great product (like Forza 3).

[DC]

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I really hate when people use the, "THis is where we came from" card. As if that means we as consumers have no right to complain. If we KNOW the potential of a product, and we see what that company puts out, then we have all the right to be bothered and speak up about it.

Some of us make legit complaints. I know some don't but the majority of OS I think successfully explains their problems with a game in a manner that can't be denied.

Now there are too many "Defenders" in some of these forums. You can't say a negative word about a game and folks with come at you with guns. I am sick of THAT trend.

[DocHolliday]

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If you went from OS impression from Madden this year (Now at least) you would think the game is Unplayable. In reality, its pretty damn good game, and this coming from a guy that played APF for two years.

You have to ignore some stuff on OS now, the site is bigger and we have alot of riff raff that just like to push buttons.

Just the nature of success.

[aholbert32]

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People questioning the importance of other's game issues needs to stop.

Why is that man not entitled to complain about Cav's headbands when they have been broken for YEARS?

Because they arent priorties to the large majorities of gamers. Most people dont care about headbands. The problem is the people who do care about them are often the loudest and most active posters so it appears to developers that this "issue" concerns the community more than it does.

I was reading the NBA2k patch thread last week and there was a 4 page streak of posts only discussing headbands. Now looking at that quickly you would think that headbands were an important issue...until you looked close and realized it was the same 4 people posting over and over again.

[muggins]

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Because they arent priorties to the large majorities of gamers. Most people dont care about headbands. The problem is the people who do care about them are often the loudest and most active posters so it appears to developers that this "issue" concerns the community more than it does.

I was reading the NBA2k patch thread last week and there was a 4 page streak of posts only discussing headbands. Now looking at that quickly you would think that headbands were an important issue...until you looked close and realized it was the same 4 people posting over and over again.

This is pretty true. When I was talking about being pissed off about game issues I'm not talking about headbands or sneakers or even uniform colors. That stuff is so secondary. Real game issues like linemen ratings not mattering etc are so much more important.

[DC]

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It is secondary but they are still issues that need to be addressed. Nobdoy is deeming them more IMPORTANT than gameplay issues but if those dudes are complaining about inaccurate art, then let them be. They aren't hurting us. Valid complaints.

Some are sticklers for art
Some are sticklers for gameplay substance

They both go into making a great overall product

[MassNole]

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I agree to an extent.....but not completely. Great gameplay should be first and foremost and once that is down pact then stuff like art can be be addressed. Now that being said if we are talking a very simple fix then it should be done asap.

I remember this the most from the PS2 days of the NCAA Football series. People would very loudly complain about messed up stadiums. That is fine and dandy until you consider the basis of their complaint was something they only caught a brief glimpse of during a flyover and had NO impact on the game. At least with the headbands its something you look at for the duration of the game.

[DC]

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Man dudes have been voicing their opinions about wrong headband colors by 2K for YEARS. YEARS man. YEARS. No reason why 2K still hasn't fixed this issue. That is all I am saying. A less complicated issue gets ignored for YEARS.

THAT is why the art dudes are so loud in the 2K Forums. They feel like they are being ignored.

And I understand how they feel.

Point is this, you can't keep kissing folks butts and believe the, "I have to give a compliment to give a critical opinion" logic because:
1. You are "wasting" your time with the game. That is compliment enough. You are an active member in the 2K forums
2. There are plenty of OTHERS that are playing the role as 2K Supporters that believe 2K can do no wrong.

I got it and still get it. 2K *****, 2K *****. The hell? How am I a 2K *****? I just want the best. Been active in the forums for SIX years. But I am a 2K *****? That pissed me off.

But now folks PM me thanking me for being on 2K's case in terms of asking for a realistic dunk system.

[ODogg]

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People seem to have selective memory around here. Just the other day I was 'called out' for saying that NCAA or Madden was the greatest game ever and talked it up when I got my pre-release copy. The problem though is that's not true. I posted good and bad things about it in my pre-release thoughts, just as others did as well when they scored early copies of the game. Yes the thread was more positive than negative but as has been duly noted there is a huge difference in owning a game for a couple of days and owning it for weeks.

Also, I think you have to keep in mind when you see the flame threads after a game has been out a while where people are trashing it that it's not everyone. There are just as many, if not more, people simply playing the game and not attacking it publicly. I still play NCAA and Madden now and enjoy them. You won't find me in those forums attacking the games and acting foolish in that regards. Just take a look at your friends list and you will probably see people playing these games and enjoying them, while others on here simply nitpick them to death.

I do think age has something to do with it somewhat. I have played since the Atari 2600 days and I'm simply amazed at most of the titles that come out. I see my nephew's attitude is much different, his expectations are that he will not play something if it's x, y or z. It's good to demand better, but I think we often lose sight of the fact that sometimes we need to quite our never-ending compulsion for realism and simply try to ask ourselves "Are we having fun or what???"

[DC]

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There is too much, "____ is the ______ (insert hyperbole) ever" going on lately as well

Nothing against you ODoggs

[ODogg]

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Oh i agree man...I completely agree. We all need to take a more even approach and quit buying into the hype as much and then once we get a game quit trashing each little flaw so much.

[Phobia]

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I agree with AA and the trend of bouncing from title to title. But we also have to look at this in a different light also. Back in the day when most of us (guys 30+). We all started out on systems that graphics were square colored blocks. As time went on you only had a tiny handful of games that were great and worth buying.

Now that the game industry is a billion dollar industry. You have new games coming out monthly. This in turn has changed the landscape of online gaming in a bad way. I am just as guilty of it as the next person.

Most of us are true gamers here. When I say that I mean we play all kinds of different titles and enjoy gaming. So we go out and try to get every big title coming out. So we in turn end up bouncing to all kinds of different games in a very short period of time.

I am trying to break this vicious cycle. It is hurting our wallets and it is hurting our time with good quality games that we put in minimum time and then move on to the new "Hot title". I think it is just the nature of the beast being a true fan of games and trying to chase that white rabbit of every new release.

Now I am off to buy Modern war 2 and left 4 Dead 2 LMAO