Major bomb scare in NYC

[Buckeyes_Doc]

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I agree cb, he should of never stepped foot on the airplane.

[Cusefan]

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the difference is 10 minutes late in determining he's a terrorist while he's in the terminal..not so bad. 10 minutes late in determining he's a terrorist while he's on the plane, equals plane taking off and the risk of lives lost due to an attack on the aircraft.

So Basically you are assuming that he would somehow get a Serious Explosive device on a Plane, a Feat that has not been done in a very long Time...( I am not counting the Shoe/Underwear bomber due to the fact that they did not have enough explosives to bring the plane down) Even if he did, Judging by his Record w/ Explosives, its not like anyone on that plane would be in danger.

Besides, you actually expect Multiple Police agencies to work in unison and be prompt about this? Fact is, we got the Guy on American Soil, win.

[Cusefan]

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I agree cb, he should of never stepped foot on the airplane.

Thats what happens when you have 15 Different agencies working on this.

[countryboy]

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So Basically you are assuming that he would somehow get a Serious Explosive device on a Plane, a Feat that has not been done in a very long Time... Even if he did, Judging by his Record w/ Explosives, its not like anyone on that plane would be in danger.

I guess you don't remember the Detriot bombing attempt? And his record with explosives? Seriously? So, since one attempt failed, its ok if he tried again, because he would fail again? So you'd be ok being on the plane with him, knowing that his first bombing attempt failed?

I'm sorry, but thats an ignorant way to look at the situation.

Besides, you actually expect Multiple Police agencies to work in unison and be prompt about this? Fact is, we got the Guy on American Soil, win.

Anytime we get another terrorist "off the streets" its a win, but I don't like the idea of our security systems failing in the process.

[Knight165]

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Like i said before, even if the propane Tanks were to Ignite and cause an Explosion, It would take more than a few Minutes for it to actually explode. You would probably have 1.5-2 minutes before there is a large explosion, ample time to evacuate anyone nearby. Therein lies the problem of this Car bomb, a Effective Car bomb needs to be Immediate and Devastating, take away one of those factors and you will not achieve your goal.

As far as this dude only spending $150, that is why his Bomb was a dud and he got Caught. But Could i make a better Bomb for that much, you better believe it, But for this purpose, i will spend What I make in a week with enough food for a last meal(Chinese Food)

1000 Ball Bearings = $85
2 prepaid Cellphones= $40
Remote Model Rocket Propulsion Kit= $37
two 55 Gallon Drums= Free(because I will steal it)
110 Gallons of Gas = $330


One Way Ticket to Caracas, Venezuela = $550

BTW If I get a visit from the FBI for visiting these certain websites Im blaming you

Haha...they're on the way.

One thing though.....and I'm not spilling any top secret ideas here....because it's been said on the news and I alluded to it yesterday in the event that happened with us a month ago.
I don't think the intent was solely to kill people(civilians) right off the bat with this one. They wanted it to look like not much more than a car fire. Why?(I like asking this question it seems!)
First....test run....they want to see how we respond to these things(F.D.-P.D.-E.M.S.-O.M.E.)...why?.....
...they would love to get their favorite target....first responders...you know, us idiots who stick out heads in the car on fire to try and open the hood......us dopes who walk right up to the thing like we're planning to buy it...not put it out.
No need for a secondary device, when the initial device is itself delayed until we get there.
But I digress for one moment.
Have you ever seen a fire...even a car fire in Manhattan? Evacuate!? Ha!...there have to be 100 people flocking to get as close as they can to whip out their cell phones and try and get a pic of the fire and the dopes putting it out(you know...us...with our heads in the car) to post on facebook.
Trust me...when that thing goes boom civvies are gonna be toasty.
Be careful people.


M.K.
Knight165

[Cusefan]

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I guess you don't remember the Detriot bombing attempt? And his record with explosives? Seriously? So, since one attempt failed, its ok if he tried again, because he would fail again? So you'd be ok being on the plane with him, knowing that his first bombing attempt failed?

I'm sorry, but thats an ignorant way to look at the situation.

Actually Ignorant would not be a good word to use, since I know what I am talking about and it is just an Opinion. But remember something, The Shoe/Underwear Bomber did not get explosives on the planes in the US, that happened at Airports Across the Pond. I do not know what their Protocols were, but they failed, not the TSA.

But again, you are Assuming this guy could get an explosive Device on the plane, which is not easy due to all of the Protocols set in place. Its not like this guy had Access to C4, if he had a real explosive device, he would have used it. I just do not think he would be let on the plane with some fireworks and Fertilizer.

As far as me being comfortable with that guy next to be, Ive been closer to actual bombs that could kill me. This joke does not really scare me, so no, I would not have a problem with it.

Anytime we get another terrorist "off the streets" its a win, but I don't like the idea of our security systems failing in the process.

That is just a product of our Justice System, it has always been like this. Its better now than ever, but it still takes time for information to get processed by one agency, then have that information in the hands of everyone on the case.

Personally, I thought this guy would take awhile to get caught because he did pretty decent job of hiding his Identity. As far as I am Concerned, The Authorities worked pretty quickly and got the guy before it was too late. It was close, but we got our guy.

[sb24]

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Haha...they're on the way.

One thing though.....and I'm not spilling any top secret ideas here....because it's been said on the news and I alluded to it yesterday in the event that happened with us a month ago.
I don't think the intent was solely to kill people(civilians) right off the bat with this one. They wanted it to look like not much more than a car fire. Why?(I like asking this question it seems!)
First....test run....they want to see how we respond to these things(F.D.-P.D.-E.M.S.-O.M.E.)...why?.....
...they would love to get their favorite target....first responders...you know, us idiots who stick out heads in the car on fire to try and open the hood......us dopes who walk right up to the thing like we're planning to buy it...not put it out.
No need for a secondary device, when the initial device is itself delayed until we get there.
But I digress for one moment.
Have you ever seen a fire...even a car fire in Manhattan? Evacuate!? Ha!...there have to be 100 people flocking to get as close as they can to whip out their cell phones and try and get a pic of the fire and the dopes putting it out(you know...us...with our heads in the car) to post on facebook.
Trust me...when that thing goes boom civvies are gonna be toasty.
Be careful people.


M.K.
Knight165

I couldnt stop laughing at this post. I was cracking up at how true it would be having people pull out their phones.

That said, Thank you for being "idiots who stick our heads in the car on fire to try and open the hood."

[countryboy]

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Actually Ignorant would not be a good word to use, since I know what I am talking about and it is just an Opinion. But remember something, The Shoe/Underwear Bomber did not get explosives on the planes in the US, that happened at Airports Across the Pond. I do not know what their Protocols were, but they failed, not the TSA.

It doesn't matter where they got explosives on the plane, the fact is that it could've happened and has happened. And this guy should've never stepped foot on the plane, had the proper measures been taken.

But again, you are Assuming this guy could get an explosive Device on the plane, which is not easy due to all of the Protocols set in place. Its not like this guy had Access to C4, if he had a real explosive device, he would have used it. I just do not think he would be let on the plane with some fireworks and Fertilizer.

How do you know he didn't have access to explosives? How did anyone know what he was capable of until after they arrested him?

You're mockery of the situation is the reason I called your view ignorant. You're under the assumption that since he failed at one bombing attempt, he would fail again. Why should he even be given the chance?

As far as me being comfortable with that guy next to be, Ive been closer to actual bombs that could kill me. This joke does not really scare me, so no, I would not have a problem with it.

So have I, but that doesn't mean I want to be on a plane with someone who could potentially, has a motive to, destroy it. I don't want anyone like that on any plane carrying innocent civilians.

But continue with the "its no big deal" attitude towards the situation..as that is exactly what they would want you to do. And I must admit, for someone who was military, your attitude towards an attack, although failed, against fellow civilians and on your homeland, is quite saddening.

[Cusefan]

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It doesn't matter where they got explosives on the plane, the fact is that it could've happened and has happened. And this guy should've never stepped foot on the plane, had the proper measures been taken.

Since when have the Proper Measures ever been taken in regard to homeland Security. When you are processing and screening Millions of People everyday, Mistakes are going to Happen. Besides, Maybe it was this persons First day working when he screened them. You dont know, Commenting on this right now before we know everything is foolish.

How do you know he didn't have access to explosives? How did anyone know what he was capable of until after they arrested him?

You're mockery of the situation is the reason I called your view ignorant. You're under the assumption that since he failed at one bombing attempt, he would fail again. Why should he even be given the chance?

Ok, Seriously , you are reading into this far too much. I am under the Assumption that since he failed so miserably, there is no possible way this guy could be a threat to an entire Plane. And How do I know that he did not have access to Explosives, Probably because He would have used it in Time Square. Just the Fact that he used Fireworks as a Igniter leads me to believe he had absolutely no clue what he was doing.

Also, Assuming he could get Explosives, what makes you believe he could even get it onto a plane? Yes its a shame that we did not arrest him in the Terminal, but No one died and we got our Guy. Just Remember, We learn more from our Mistakes than our successes.

So have I, but that doesn't mean I want to be on a plane with someone who could potentially, has a motive to, destroy it. I don't want anyone like that on any plane carrying innocent civilians.

But continue with the "its no big deal" attitude towards the situation..as that is exactly what they would want you to do. And I must admit, for someone who was military, your attitude towards an attack, although failed, against fellow civilians and on your homeland, is quite saddening.

This Car Bomb is no Big deal because no one died and he didnt know what he doing. That does not mean he should be released and set go, I already said he should be tried as a Traitor. Just because I do not share with you my inner most thoughts on Terrorism, do not assume I am not vigilant. I wish I had the ability to not care, but I cannot. Hell I still jump out of my skin when I hear a Car Backfire.


Also, If I did not care about my Fellow Citizens, I would not have Joined the Army. If did not care about attacks on Our Soil I would not have joined the Infantry. If I really did not care about all of this, I would not have volunteered to go to war. Really, Questioning whether I care about My Fellow Citizens and is pretty insulting. Just because I am making fun of this dude, do not assume that I take situations like this lightly.

[countryboy]

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Since when have the Proper Measures ever been taken in regard to homeland Security. When you are processing and screening Millions of People everyday, Mistakes are going to Happen. Besides, Maybe it was this persons First day working when he screened them. You dont know, Commenting on this right now before we know everything is foolish.

I don't give a **** if this guy was the screeners first person he screened..you are taught to do a job and follow protocol and apparently this guy didn't do it. And commenting on this right now isn't foolish in the least bit. A man who was flagged was allowed to board a plane. How is being upset at that situation foolish?

Ok, Seriously , you are reading into this far too much. I am under the Assumption that since he failed so miserably, there is no possible way this guy could be a threat to an entire Plane. And How do I know that he did not have access to Explosives, Probably because He would have used it in Time Square. Just the Fact that he used Fireworks as a Igniter leads me to believe he had absolutely no clue what he was doing.

Assuming and probably get people killed when it comes to this type of situation..you don't assume or take for granted something isn't going to happen, because the moment you do is when all hell breaks loose. History has taught us this.

Also, Assuming he could get Explosives, what makes you believe he could even get it onto a plane? Yes its a shame that we did not arrest him in the Terminal, but No one died and we got our Guy. Just Remember, We learn more from our Mistakes than our successes.

I'm not complaining about the outcome, I'm complaining about the potential situation that could've taken place due to him being allowed on the plane. And what makes me believe that he would get explosives on the plane, why shouldn't I? Why should I assume that a guy who apparently was acquainted with organized terrorists, wouldn't have a new explosive invention that could've caused chaos/death/descruction to a plane?

This Car Bomb is no Big deal because no one died

You couldn't be more wrong. This car bombing is a big deal. Just because no one died from this incident, doesn't lesson the threat for copycats, or someone more "knowledgeable" affiliated with terrorism, try the same attack.

Also, If I did not care about my Fellow Citizens, I would not have Joined the Army. If did not care about attacks on Our Soil I would not have joined the Infantry. If I really did not care about all of this, I would not have volunteered to go to war. Really, Questioning whether I care about My Fellow Citizens and is pretty insulting. Just because I am making fun of this dude, do not assume that I take situations like this lightly.

When someone calls the incident "no big deal because no one died" or says that even if he got on the plane, nothing would've happened because he failed once, he would surely fail again, or fails to understand the threat level that this now raises and anxiousness that this will cause citizens in and around New York and across the land who see unoccupied vehicles...how can this not be viewed as taking a situation like this lightly?

And I never questioned your patriotism for this country, I questioned your attitude towards the situation and said that I was personally "saddened" by the fact that you can view this as "no big deal".

[Buckeyes_Doc]

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Mistakes are going to Happen. Besides, Maybe it was this persons First day working when he screened them

Really? Come on, first day, 100 day, 10th year, it doesn't matter. That screener has a job to do.

[fishepa]

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Since when have the Proper Measures ever been taken in regard to homeland Security. When you are processing and screening Millions of People everyday, Mistakes are going to Happen. Besides, Maybe it was this persons First day working when he screened them. You dont know, Commenting on this right now before we know everything is foolish.



Ok, Seriously , you are reading into this far too much. I am under the Assumption that since he failed so miserably, there is no possible way this guy could be a threat to an entire Plane. And How do I know that he did not have access to Explosives, Probably because He would have used it in Time Square. Just the Fact that he used Fireworks as a Igniter leads me to believe he had absolutely no clue what he was doing.

Also, Assuming he could get Explosives, what makes you believe he could even get it onto a plane? Yes its a shame that we did not arrest him in the Terminal, but No one died and we got our Guy. Just Remember, We learn more from our Mistakes than our successes.



This Car Bomb is no Big deal because no one died and he didnt know what he doing. That does not mean he should be released and set go, I already said he should be tried as a Traitor. Just because I do not share with you my inner most thoughts on Terrorism, do not assume I am not vigilant. I wish I had the ability to not care, but I cannot. Hell I still jump out of my skin when I hear a Car Backfire.


Also, If I did not care about my Fellow Citizens, I would not have Joined the Army. If did not care about attacks on Our Soil I would not have joined the Infantry. If I really did not care about all of this, I would not have volunteered to go to war. Really, Questioning whether I care about My Fellow Citizens and is pretty insulting. Just because I am making fun of this dude, do not assume that I take situations like this lightly.

Why do you capitalize randoms words when you post? I'm just curious.

[Scottdau]

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Why do you capitalize randoms words when you post? I'm just curious.

I think it is too really Bring It Home. I agree with Country and Cuse though. I think both have some truth in their debate. For me I would be a little scared for him being on plane, because if he think the bomb did work; I could see him taking out more on a suicidal take down of the plane.

[Cusefan]

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Why do you capitalize randoms words when you post? I'm just curious.

Bad habit, almost failed English 101 because of it. When I do official documents I don't do it.

[CMH]

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So now the Robert F. Kennedy Bridge (formerly Triborough Bridge) has been closed after a U-Haul truck was abandoned near a toll booth. A toll booth operator said he could smell gasoline from outside the vehicle.

I'm trying to find more information to see if this is just some stupid copycat.

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Apparently, the bomb squad is now searching the vehicle.

I have no personal feelings about all this. I don't know what to say.

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Not a threat. Not sure why someone would abandon it, but it's just leaking gasoline.