Finally making one of these threads...

[Cebby]

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I'm not going to disagree but this opens up certain demographics to far worse criticisms.

What demographics? Dog people?

I saw a fellow officer bitten by a prostitute. Who knows what kind of diseases she had. Would he have been justified in killing her for that reason?

Depends on how he killed her.

If he hit her to prevent a second bite and she happened to die, he would have been justified. If he had her in holding cell hours later, walked in, and clubbed her to death he would not be justified.

Think what you want. Walk around naive and like you live in a bubble where you can't get hurt. I see way too many people like that end up victim's.

Congratulations

You have now explained and justified why the dog received an *** kicking.

[stewaat]

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What demographics? Dog people?.

The people out there who are non-contributors to society. They are strictly a burden. They may positively affect some but negatively affect many more.

Depends on how he killed her.

If he hit her to prevent a second bite and she happened to die, he would have been justified. If he had her in holding cell hours later, walked in, and clubbed her to death he would not be justified.

No. If he killed her after she bit him he's facing criminal charges. You can't justify deadly force by somebody biting you, even if they have AIDS. Only imminenet threats of serious bodily injury or death.

Congratulations

You have now explained and justified why the dog received an *** kicking.

Yes and no. Technically somebody could use that defense, but I still believe there is no reason to kill a 6 lb dog trying to attack you. And we don't know if the dog even tried to bite or attack the guy.

[Cebby]

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The people out there who are non-contributors to society. They are strictly a burden. They may positively affect some but negatively affect many more.

If "bringing happiness" constitutes contributing then everyone has contributed at some point in their life.

No. If he killed her after she bit him he's facing criminal charges. You can't justify deadly force by somebody biting you, even if they have AIDS. Only imminenet threats of serious bodily injury or death.

I'm not saying after. If during the attack he hits her and she dies, I think it would be justified. That is what happened in the case of the viscous poodle.

Technically somebody could use that defense, but I still believe there is no reason to kill a 6 lb dog trying to attack you.

I don't think the person intended to kill the poodle, However, the poodle ****ed with the wrong meter reader and learned a valuable lesson about its place in the world.

And we don't know if the dog even tried to bite or attack the guy.

And we don't know if a person wearing a ski mask, carrying an AK, and walking into a bank is there to rob it. It's still best to assume that that is probably the case.

[MassNole]

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@ Stewaat

Dogs are animals, to me the common sense standard of when to apply potentially lethally force is greatly different than when dealing with a person. But to answer your hypothetical about the hooker biting an officer, you know as well as I know that the force used against her should be proportionate to the force she is using. As such I would say you are justified hitting her in the face with a baton to break her grip on the other officer. If from there death resulted, I would be behind you 110% that your actions were justified given the circumstances, because as you said who knows what diseases, including HIV, may be in her mouth thus justifying the force used. I'd even say using the club would be preferred over using a stun gun, as the stun gun would cause her to bite down even harder. I however wouldn't say you should shoot her, that would cross the line regardless of what diseases may be in her mouth.

Now if this was a dog biting a fellow officer, just shoot it.

[trobinson97]

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trob tazers are non-deadly force. I've been tazed and it hurts for 5 seconds and then the pain immediately goes away. How is that excessive?

The use of tasers has resulted in death. As a cop I am sure you must know this.

You're a fool to think an old lady can't hurt you.

http://mystateline.com/fulltext-news/?nxd_id=159235

Think what you want. Walk around naive and like you live in a bubble where you can't get hurt. I see way too many people like that end up victim's.

I never said an old lady with a gun couldn't hurt me. Did the old lady in that video you posted have a gun though?

As for my supposed naive world view, well Cebby answered that for me perfectly.

I already said sometimes granny needs to get juiced. I didn't think she did in that vid you posted, but hey, sometimes when you're scared and an imposing grandma looks ready to engage in fisticuffs you have to man up and do what you have to do.

[stewaat]

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All I'm saying is that there are different levels of threats when it comes to dogs.

He killed this?



I could understand killing this...



That's my entire point

[stewaat]

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The use of tasers has resulted in death. As a cop I am sure you must know this.


I never said an old lady with a gun couldn't hurt me. Did the old lady in that video you posted have a gun though?

As for my supposed naive world view, well Cebby answered that for me perfectly.

I already said sometimes granny needs to get juiced. I didn't think she did in that vid you posted, but hey, sometimes when you're scared and an imposing grandma looks ready to engage in fisticuffs you have to man up and do what you have to do.

The design of tazers aren't lethal. If a tazer kills someone it's due to several factors. The odds of a tazer killing somebody are very slight.

Way to say I'm scared so I'd taze granny. If you're told half a dozen times comply or you're getting tazed and you sit there and argue and dare an officer to taze you I have no sympathy. Then she goes on TV and reads a statement where she says she didn't argue LOL!

I wouldn't taze granny because I don't want a use of force in my file on a grandma and I don't want to be ridiculed by my fellow officers and I don't want to do all the paperwork/statments.

Anyways, the topic was not about people and/or tazers. It was about killing a 6 lb dog with a metal pole.

I stand by my original train of though that it is VERY difficult to justify that. I don't think it's right.

[MassNole]

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I lost the tip of my ring finger to a toy poodle for no reason other than the dog was a piece of ****. Those breeds of dogs suffer from Napoleon complexes and are meaner by nature than most other dogs.

[bgeno]

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Those afraid of rabies/disease...seriously? You think a house dog has these diseases?

He didn't know where the dog came from. And any animal can carry lethal amounts of rabies.

Most people are ignorant, selfish a-holes that contribute less to society then my yellow lab.

facepalm

Dogs are stupid, selfish, and contribute nothing to society.

Try another argument.

hahaha, I get the point, but there are SOME dogs that contribute to society. Seeing Eye dogs do good things. And K9 units of the police are beneficial.

All I'm saying is that there are different levels of threats when it comes to dogs.

He killed this?



I could understand killing this...



That's my entire point

Dude, you can't try to pull the "cuteness" thing here. It doesn't matter what something looks like.

I lost the tip of my ring finger to a toy poodle for no reason other than the dog was a piece of ****.

I'd rather a ruthless, uncontrollable dog die than me lose the tip of my finger.

[trobinson97]

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The design of tazers aren't lethal. If a tazer kills someone it's due to several factors. The odds of a tazer killing somebody are very slight.

Way to say I'm scared so I'd taze granny. If you're told half a dozen times comply or you're getting tazed and you sit there and argue and dare an officer to taze you I have no sympathy. Then she goes on TV and reads a statement where she says she didn't argue LOL!

I wouldn't taze granny because I don't want a use of force in my file on a grandma and I don't want to be ridiculed by my fellow officers and I don't want to do all the paperwork/statments.

Anyways, the topic was not about people and/or tazers. It was about killing a 6 lb dog with a metal pole.

I stand by my original train of though that it is VERY difficult to justify that. I don't think it's right.

Man, I never said you, YOU Stewaat were scared. I implied that the officer in the video you posted might have been, or maybe he just wanted to finally use the thing, I don't know.

The point was, IF that old lady had died from a heart attack or something that was caused from getting shocked, do you still feel it 's use would have been justified? If so it shouldn't be hard for you to justify the actions of the meter reader.

Also, I agree, the topic is not about people and tasers, but you're the one who first equated the seemingly accidental killing of this animal to killing a 5 year old human child so... You also posted the video of granny getting tased...

All I know is if the dog had been properly trained, contained or controlled it wouldn't have been a victim of death by stick. Like I said, be mad at the owners.

[ScoobySnax]

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I lost the tip of my ring finger to a toy poodle for no reason other than the dog was a piece of ****. Those breeds of dogs suffer from Napoleon complexes and are meaner by nature than most other dogs.

I would've injured his ***.

[KG]

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They offered to pay the ladies vet bill & buy a new dog. I know losing a pet sucks but they did more than enough to compensate someone who let the dog get out.

[stewaat]

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I think we'd all have to see what went down to draw a conclusion. If the toy poodle was trying to attack the guy and he hit it...I don't agree with him but he could articulate his actions.

I guess I'm seeing this as a dog running up to him barking and he takes a big swing at the dog to shut it up and accidentally kills it then says "I think something is wrong with your dog".

[stewaat]

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I lost the tip of my ring finger to a toy poodle for no reason other than the dog was a piece of ****. Those breeds of dogs suffer from Napoleon complexes and are meaner by nature than most other dogs.

Story?

[ScoobySnax]

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In some twisted way, the poodle looks creepier than the pit lol