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**stewaat** · 05-06-2010, 06:54 AM

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Here's what I relate it to...

I'm 6-3 215 lbs and if somebody my size comes up to me and starts to attack me and I defend my self by hitting that person in the face with a metal stick...I think it's a bit of a stretch but I could articulate my actions.

Now put me up against a 5-year old kid who is coming towards me aggressively and is going to attack me and I hit him in the face with a metal stick.

I relate this case to example #2

Here's part of the story, just another article with more detail:

After calling out an apology to the meter reader, Newman told her husband to get the dog and turned around to put her son in his stroller and calm him down. Newman's husband stopped to put on his shoes before starting down the street to get Calisto. He was approached by the meter reader saying there was something wrong with their dog.
"She was up against the (retaining) wall, bleeding," Newman said. "Obviously he had just hit her."
Newman said she immediately took Calisto to the animal care center where she was euthanized because of the extent of her injuries.
The veterinarian, Parker, said she and other staff members were shocked to find out her injuries were inflicted by a person.
"Everybody that saw her come in ... thought that she was hit by a car," Parker said. "It had to be a significant blow."
Newman wants other pet owners to learn from her story.
"I am hoping ... it will save at least one family and one dog from the pain of what she went through and what we are left to deal with," she said.

**trobinson97** · 05-06-2010, 07:24 AM

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The meter reader didn't hit an aggressive 5 year old human child, he hit a small aggressive dog.

Your heart is bleeding over this little animal but I seem to remember you justifying the actions of a cop slamming a frail little old lady to the ground, opening up her head.

**MassNole** · 05-06-2010, 08:10 AM

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Originally posted by Piderman

Wait why are they calling it a toy poodle? Is that the name of the breed. Anyway that is pretty sick and terrible, she has to find new ways to control the anger she has.

Yes and toy poodles are nasty, aggressive little dogs. When I was 15 my grandmother's toy poodle bit the tip of my finger off.

**Cusefan** · 05-06-2010, 08:16 AM

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Originally posted by z Revis

Not to sound like Cpt. Know-it-all, but I think everyone knows this. It's common sense really. Anytime I'm walking my dog and someone approaches me looking at my dog, they ALWAYS ask if my dog bites or is aggressive. I say no and they kneel down to pet it.

I know I would never walk up to a dog, or any animal, that I didn't know and try and pet it without asking the owners first.

Either way I don't know what this has to do with this thread. The meter guy didn't walk up to the dog, the dog walked(or ran actually) up to him.

The thing about common sense is that it is not so common. If people knew this, people would not get bit.

**Cebby** · 05-06-2010, 09:57 AM

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Originally posted by stewaat

Now put me up against a 5-year old kid who is coming towards me aggressively and is going to attack me and I hit him in the face with a metal stick.

It's pretty rare for a 5 year old child to run up and bit people.

It's not that uncommon with dogs, and a dog running up and biting someone is a sign that they have rabies.

Plus, the important thing that dog-obsessed people forget is that dogs are in fact not humans.

**MassNole** · 05-06-2010, 10:03 AM

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Originally posted by Cebby

It's pretty rare for a 5 year old child to run up and bit people.

It's not that uncommon with dogs, and a dog running up and biting someone is a sign that they have rabies.

Plus, the important thing that dog-obsessed people forget is that dogs are in fact not humans.

I gotta agree with the last line. If I had my way no dogs smaller than a Beagle would be allowed to exist (maybe the size of a Cocker Spaniel, I don't remember which is smaller)

**SuperBowlNachos** · 05-06-2010, 10:34 AM

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Originally posted by stewaat

Now put me up against a 5-year old kid who is coming towards me aggressively and is going to attack me and I hit him in the face with a metal stick.

That might be the dumbest comparison I have ever read. A 5 year old has no where near the attack power of a poodle. This cute little poodle could rip a 5 year old face to shreds no problem.

What if you were walking down your street with your 5 year old child and this dog charged up on you? Would you honestly just try to brush it away with your foot soft enough to not hurt it as your kid cries in fear and clings to you?
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There is also the rabies factor like someone said. The dog is pretty ugly, if it came up to me barking and growling it's safe to assume something might be wrong with it.

Originally posted by stewaat

WTF is a 6 lb dog going to do to you? Tug on your pants? Bite an ankle?

I'll kill something before I let it bite me and break my skin.

**PBlast** · 05-06-2010, 11:48 AM

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Poodles, toy or not, are actual one of the more aggressive breeds of dogs. Personally I would never strike a small dog even if it was trying to bite my, I'd probably just try to keep pushing it away with my foot. I mean if it was a Rotty or a Pitbull I wouldn't think twice about trying to kill it if it was attacking me. I think she went about this the wrong way whether or not she intended to kill it, and I can definitely see this from the dog owner's point of view, but in the end what it comes down to is that if this dog has been known to bite it should have been leashed. Owner's fault in the end.

**mgoblue** · 05-06-2010, 12:27 PM

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I totally question the power of the swing, but I can't blame someone from keeping the evil poodle from biting the hell out of them. My great grandma had such a mean evil poodle that always bit people and would keep biting.

I don't think death was the intent, but I would certainly kick my foot or whatnot to keep a poodle from chomping on my leg a ton.

**stewaat** · 05-06-2010, 08:08 PM

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Originally posted by trobinson97

Your heart is bleeding over this little animal but I seem to remember you justifying the actions of a cop slamming a frail little old lady to the ground, opening up her head.

Link?

I just posted my opinion on the matter. I think there is a better way to protect yourself from a 6 lb dog than killing it.

Those afraid of rabies/disease...seriously? You think a house dog has these diseases?

I'm all for self defense against animals than can legitimately do damage to me. I just believe in justifying actions and I don't see how this individual could do so.

My opinion

**Cebby** · 05-06-2010, 08:13 PM

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Originally posted by stewaat

Those afraid of rabies/disease...seriously? You think a house dog has these diseases?

If the owner was stupid enough to not domesticate the animal it is certainly possible that it had rabies or a disease.

**stewaat** · 05-06-2010, 08:17 PM

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She was definitely not argumentative or combative. You're right man I'm so sorry for even thinking the officer was justified.

**trobinson97** · 05-06-2010, 09:05 PM

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Your sarcasm is noted. That said, that's not the incident I'm talking about though it does not help your argument. That dude was young, looked to be at least 6 feet tall 200lb and if that much force has to be used to subdue that little yapping old lady, how can you be mad about that little yapping rat dog getting what was coming to it?

I imagine that little thing could do about as much damage to the meter reader as granny could do to a young healthy cop.

**GAMEC0CK2002** · 05-07-2010, 01:52 AM

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It's unfortunate. Many people are scared of dogs, so I can see both sides. I have no real issues with the swing first, ask questions later. My English springer puppy runs at me 100 miles an hour....if I was a stranger, I'd probably be scared and go to protect myself.

**WDOgF0reL1fe** · 05-07-2010, 02:03 AM

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Originally posted by stewaat

http://www.ktla.com/news/landing/ktl...,3379608.story

You gotta be kidding me. What a cowardly, hateful person to do such a thing.

I own a 7 lb dog and you know what...they can't do any damage to you unless you're an infant.

I hope this worker gets disciplined in a harsh way and that restitution is made with the dog's family.

Makes me sick to read

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