7 Year Old Girl Killed During Raid

[Jukeman]

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[Stumbleweed]

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This was one of the worst stories I've ever heard... just god-awful. Suffice it to say that I was enraged to hear about another instance of gung-ho idiots (this time backed by bravado-inducing TV cameras) causing a loss of innocent life because they can't contain themselves when holding high-powered weaponry. Flash bang grenades in an occupied residence in the middle of the night (when it's most likely that women/children are inside sleeping), and it WASN'T EVEN THE RESIDENCE OF THE PERSON YOU WERE LOOKING FOR?? Yeah, the search warrant was for the place above them, so they had to get clearance for the entire building... so instead of acting rationally, they shoot a *** **** flash-bang through the downstairs neighbor's window and light their daughter on fire while she sleeps and then shoot her in the throat accidentally.

The level of negligence and ridiculousness in this story is unreal.

[Brandwin]

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Saw this yesterday... horrible. Also horrible someone would bring stuff like this around their children.

[JBH3]

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Failure knows no bounds in Detroit.

[Stumbleweed]

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http://www.injusticeeverywhere.com/?...+Everywhere%29

The case of 7-year-old Aiyana Jones shooting death by a Detroit Michigan Police Special Response Team officer is being spun in so many ways that each news report discussing it reads differently and most of these don’t appear as though they are being very honest about it. So I thought it made sense to clear things up as to why this case is in our National Police Misconduct News Feed. Here’s what we know so far based on information culled from multiple sources…

At 12:40am on 05/16/2010 the Detroit Michigan Special Response Team entered a duplex to serve an arrest warrant on a suspect in a homicide case who was living in the upstairs unit. The police announced, tossed a flash-bang grenade into one of the windows of the duplex, and then entered into both the upstairs and downstairs rental units of the duplex.

Police say that their warrant applied to both units in the duplex, even though the suspect did not live in the lower unit where another family lived. When the lower unit was entered an officer alleged he made physical contact with a 46-year-old woman who was Aiyana’s grandmother. At this point the officer discharged his weapon and 7-year-old Aiyana was fatally injured with a gunshot wound to the neck by an unspecified type of firearm on the nearby couch where she had been sleeping prior to the intrusion.

At this point another resident, the girl’s father Charles Jones, entered the front room where the shooting occurred in time to see his mother being detained and his mortally wounded daughter being picked up and carried out of their apartment, at which point he was ordered to the ground, and kept cuffed for up to 2 hours he claims. According to some reports, he also claimed that the grenade police threw into the apartment landed on his daughter and that she caught fire before she was shot. The family says the burned blanket that she was sleeping with was confiscated by police.

Charles was the first witness to the incident who has spoken with the press. Initial reports indicated that the grandmother was taken into custody for questioning but later released and spent a portion of that time hospitalized with unspecified injuries, though no word on whether she faces any charges at this time. The alleged subject of the raid was captured in the upstairs apartment, at least according to the father of the girl though police refuse to specify.

Interestingly, the latest reports now claim that an A&E production crew was with the officers during the raid, filming yet another cop-reality show called “First 48″. It’s unclear how much footage of the raid that production crew captured and if that might shed any light on questions still lingering about the incident, but it also may have played a part in the aggressive tactics used that included deployment of a flash-bang grenade.

So now the investigation has been handed off to the Michigan State Police and officials are saying that there was some video taken during the raid. Neither officials nor the A&E production crew are talking about what was captured on film, but it would seem as though it was enough to cause police to backpeddle from their previous statements that the shooting was the result of a struggle between the grandmother and an officer to saying that the officer may have had incidental contact or bumped into her somehow.

Was it misconduct?

Well, without further information about what the physical contact between the grandmother and the officer who shot Aiyana entailed and without knowing who initiated the contact and why we can’t say for certain. But the police version of events has been suspiciously fluid where initial claims were that the girl’s grandmother had tried to take the officer’s gun but have now been recanted to state that it may have just been incidental contact or a collision of some sort. The grandmother says that she never struggled with an officer but had hit the floor after the flash-bang grenade exploded in their apartment.

While initial reports appeared to push blame for the shooting onto the victim’s family, more and more it is beginning to sound as though the girl’s grandmother may not have played an active part in the incident. Did the officer trip over the grandmother as she laid on the floor? Was there a collision between the two due to the confusion caused by the explosive device hurled through the window without visual confirmation of where it would land? Was there a struggle at all or was this a reflexive attempt at a cover-up?

Whatever the case may be, it is beginning to appear as though the tactics used were fatally flawed and the apparent lack of intelligence or consideration that the police had about the building and it’s occupants may have played a role in this incident.

Neighbors claim that they warned police that a child was in the home, even pointing out toys in the yard as proof. So we have to wonder whether police knew that a child was in the second unit of the duplex when they allegedly filed for a warrant that included both units of the duplex and, if so, whether they adjusted their tactics for it or not.

We also have to ask why permission was sought by police in their warrant application to raid both units of this duplex and why a judge signed off on such a raid where the suspect could only be in one of those units, not both? After all, would it seem reasonable for police to have a warrant that allowed them to raid an entire apartment building if they are only searching for one suspect in one of the apartments?

So the facts as they stand now appear to indicate that, while this may or may not be a “wrong door raid”, it was a raid on an apartment where police should have known that the residents in one of the units were not suspects in any crime, which would be an act of misconduct. Even if they didn’t know that this was a separate apartment in a duplex it would still be an act of misconduct since then it is proof that they did not investigate their target sufficiently before applying for a warrant and conducting their raid in the manner that they did.

No matter what, it’s clear that this was a raid on an innocent family’s apartment and, as it stands at the moment, the act of applying for a warrant on the second unit of the duplex appears to be an act of misconduct that, in turn, resulted in the death of the innocent 7-year-old girl of a family who was not involved with the subject of the arrest warrant. Even if the actual shooting itself was or wasn’t also an act of misconduct.

What do you think?

[Blzer]

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You know, just sit back and think about this for a second. I mean imagine you at seven years old, or being a parent of a seven year old child. Being in existence for seven years and then suffering a death before even being able to learn your cursive handwriting.

This is just sad.

[Stumbleweed]

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If this all comes out as "the cops followed the correct procedure", I don't even know what to say.

[JBH3]

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You know, just sit back and think about this for a second. I mean imagine you at seven years old, or being a parent of a seven year old child. Being in existence for seven years and then suffering a death before even being able to learn your cursive handwriting.

This is just sad.

What's most sad to me is the last minutes of her life.

At 7 I'm sure she had probably saw more than the avg 7 yr old living in Detroit and all, but the last moments of her life were spent watching a 'bomb' burst in her home and her place of safety being turned into utter chaos. That's sad man...Think about how confusing all that must be at 7.

[Cebby]

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Saw this yesterday... horrible. Also horrible someone would bring stuff like this around their children.

Bring what?

The way to fix these stupid raids is to hold judges responsible for signing warrants.

[Jukeman]

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http://www.injusticeeverywhere.com/?...+Everywhere%29

The case of 7-year-old Aiyana Jones shooting death by a Detroit Michigan Police Special Response Team officer is being spun in so many ways that each news report discussing it reads differently and most of these don’t appear as though they are being very honest about it. So I thought it made sense to clear things up as to why this case is in our National Police Misconduct News Feed. Here’s what we know so far based on information culled from multiple sources…

At 12:40am on 05/16/2010 the Detroit Michigan Special Response Team entered a duplex to serve an arrest warrant on a suspect in a homicide case who was living in the upstairs unit. The police announced, tossed a flash-bang grenade into one of the windows of the duplex, and then entered into both the upstairs and downstairs rental units of the duplex.

Police say that their warrant applied to both units in the duplex, even though the suspect did not live in the lower unit where another family lived. When the lower unit was entered an officer alleged he made physical contact with a 46-year-old woman who was Aiyana’s grandmother. At this point the officer discharged his weapon and 7-year-old Aiyana was fatally injured with a gunshot wound to the neck by an unspecified type of firearm on the nearby couch where she had been sleeping prior to the intrusion.

At this point another resident, the girl’s father Charles Jones, entered the front room where the shooting occurred in time to see his mother being detained and his mortally wounded daughter being picked up and carried out of their apartment, at which point he was ordered to the ground, and kept cuffed for up to 2 hours he claims. According to some reports, he also claimed that the grenade police threw into the apartment landed on his daughter and that she caught fire before she was shot. The family says the burned blanket that she was sleeping with was confiscated by police.

Charles was the first witness to the incident who has spoken with the press. Initial reports indicated that the grandmother was taken into custody for questioning but later released and spent a portion of that time hospitalized with unspecified injuries, though no word on whether she faces any charges at this time. The alleged subject of the raid was captured in the upstairs apartment, at least according to the father of the girl though police refuse to specify.

Interestingly, the latest reports now claim that an A&E production crew was with the officers during the raid, filming yet another cop-reality show called “First 48″. It’s unclear how much footage of the raid that production crew captured and if that might shed any light on questions still lingering about the incident, but it also may have played a part in the aggressive tactics used that included deployment of a flash-bang grenade.

So now the investigation has been handed off to the Michigan State Police and officials are saying that there was some video taken during the raid. Neither officials nor the A&E production crew are talking about what was captured on film, but it would seem as though it was enough to cause police to backpeddle from their previous statements that the shooting was the result of a struggle between the grandmother and an officer to saying that the officer may have had incidental contact or bumped into her somehow.

Was it misconduct?

Well, without further information about what the physical contact between the grandmother and the officer who shot Aiyana entailed and without knowing who initiated the contact and why we can’t say for certain. But the police version of events has been suspiciously fluid where initial claims were that the girl’s grandmother had tried to take the officer’s gun but have now been recanted to state that it may have just been incidental contact or a collision of some sort. The grandmother says that she never struggled with an officer but had hit the floor after the flash-bang grenade exploded in their apartment.

While initial reports appeared to push blame for the shooting onto the victim’s family, more and more it is beginning to sound as though the girl’s grandmother may not have played an active part in the incident. Did the officer trip over the grandmother as she laid on the floor? Was there a collision between the two due to the confusion caused by the explosive device hurled through the window without visual confirmation of where it would land? Was there a struggle at all or was this a reflexive attempt at a cover-up?

Whatever the case may be, it is beginning to appear as though the tactics used were fatally flawed and the apparent lack of intelligence or consideration that the police had about the building and it’s occupants may have played a role in this incident.

Neighbors claim that they warned police that a child was in the home, even pointing out toys in the yard as proof. So we have to wonder whether police knew that a child was in the second unit of the duplex when they allegedly filed for a warrant that included both units of the duplex and, if so, whether they adjusted their tactics for it or not.

We also have to ask why permission was sought by police in their warrant application to raid both units of this duplex and why a judge signed off on such a raid where the suspect could only be in one of those units, not both? After all, would it seem reasonable for police to have a warrant that allowed them to raid an entire apartment building if they are only searching for one suspect in one of the apartments?

So the facts as they stand now appear to indicate that, while this may or may not be a “wrong door raid”, it was a raid on an apartment where police should have known that the residents in one of the units were not suspects in any crime, which would be an act of misconduct. Even if they didn’t know that this was a separate apartment in a duplex it would still be an act of misconduct since then it is proof that they did not investigate their target sufficiently before applying for a warrant and conducting their raid in the manner that they did.

No matter what, it’s clear that this was a raid on an innocent family’s apartment and, as it stands at the moment, the act of applying for a warrant on the second unit of the duplex appears to be an act of misconduct that, in turn, resulted in the death of the innocent 7-year-old girl of a family who was not involved with the subject of the arrest warrant. Even if the actual shooting itself was or wasn’t also an act of misconduct.

What do you think?

Wow...

I dont think I could ever watch that show again without thinking about the lil girl...No wonder the city of Philly banned that show from recording here..
(if my facts serve me right)

[dingleberryfinn]

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horrible , awful , & this has the look of '92 riots all over it

[Pokes]

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The news article I read about this yesterday said the grandmother was restraining officers from entering the residence. You can blame the officers all you want but if they really had nothing to hide why try to prevent SWAT officers from entering your home? Nothing good will ever come out of that.

[Cebby]

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The news article I read about this yesterday said the grandmother was restraining officers from entering the residence. You can blame the officers all you want but if they really had nothing to hide why try to prevent SWAT officers from entering your home? Nothing good will ever come out of that.

I speak only for myself, but I sure as hell don't want a SWAT team coming into my house and throwing grenades at 1 in the morning for absolutely no reason.

If I had children in the house, that would only make me less likely to want them.

[Jukeman]

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The news article I read about this yesterday said the grandmother was restraining officers from entering the residence. You can blame the officers all you want but if they really had nothing to hide why try to prevent SWAT officers from entering your home? Nothing good will ever come out of that.

I find that very hard to believe especially if a FLASH BANG was just released..

If anything ole GMom was dazed and confused and prolly stumble into the police officer..

[Stumbleweed]

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The news article I read about this yesterday said the grandmother was restraining officers from entering the residence. You can blame the officers all you want but if they really had nothing to hide why try to prevent SWAT officers from entering your home? Nothing good will ever come out of that.

Yeah, that's the COPS story... there are plenty of conflicting reports on what happened. And yeah, being awoken by a ****ing flash-bang grenade in the middle of the night when you're not a criminal and have no expectation that the SWAT team will be bursting into your house while you sleep might make you more likely to try and fight whoever just came into your house. And even if she did try to fight them in a fit of confusion, do full-trained cops really need to start discharging weapons randomly to "handle" a 46 year-old woman who just got blinded by a flash-bang?

Garbage cover-up story... A child is dead and they're just looking for ways to justify and brush it under the rug. The camera crew might be a blessing in disguise for this one... hopefully they have some evidence that will show something conclusively either way.