Discuss.

[moose1619]

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You have no obligation to comply with such a request, unless the officer makes it clear you have violated a law and are being detained/under arrest.

You are only obliged to follow the orders of an officer when you are being detained. According to the article, it isn't clear whether or not he ever made it clear she was being detained.

Like I said earlier, if a cop comes up to you on a sidewalk and asks for your ID, you have absolutely zero obligation to show him anything.

Not trying to start anything here, but are you on drugs, or have you been drinking grandpa's cough syrup a little to much?? If a police officer ask for an ID you give it to him even if you feel you have done nothing wrong. Did the officer go overboard...probably, but he has a split second to make a life or death decision....there is always that low percent chance that someone does go for his weapon and then he has a right to defend himself. Let us put blame where it belongs, the girls are at fault for resisting and interfering, the police officer used a little to much force, however if he would have pepper sprayed or tasered we would be having this same discussion.

[GAMEC0CK2002]

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He was in a no-win situation. Anything he does besides letting them walk away free would be scrutinized. Some people think they can do whatever, whenever...

[HealyMonster]

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Man, just because you catch a cop arresting someone on a cell phone, doesn't mean they are doing something wrong.

I saw people resisting arrest, I mean cops use force, would they have preferred a taser as opposed to punching or hand to hand combat?

[stewaat]

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Cops abide by a use of force continuum.

WTF do you want cops to do? Oh hey you're pushing me and cussing at me...well I better not defend myself. You guys are free to go have a great day.

[Po Pimp]

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The "crime" was petty. Getting harassed for jaywalking? I'm sure it was a situation where he's a rookie cop, and was given the order to do "busy work" so to speak by cutting down on the jaywalking epidemic plaguing the streets of Seattle.

With that being said, all of this could have been prevented had the girls not acted belligerent. Did he use excessive force, yes he did, but he probably had no choice due to what someone said earlier. If he can't handle two females, he needs to be in a different line of work.

[stewaat]

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The "crime" was petty. Getting harassed for jaywalking? I'm sure it was a situation where he's a rookie cop, and was given the order to do "busy work" so to speak by cutting down on the jaywalking epidemic plaguing the streets of Seattle.

With that being said, all of this could have been prevented had the girls not acted belligerent. Did he use excessive force, yes he did, but he probably had no choice due to what someone said earlier. If he can't handle two females, he needs to be in a different line of work.

The cop was ASKED by the school to come out and enforce jaywalking.

There was ZERO harrassment

Thank goodness you aren't backing me up out there...wow. You expect him to handle two females and not get physical at all despite them getting physical with him?

Did you see when the girl in black punched the officer in the head when he was trying to cuff her on the left side of the car?

Both displayed active aggression, there was a crowd who clearly was anti-cop, and he had no backup.



I wish the girls were white and the cop was black so I could say the EXACT same thing about the scenario.

[sb24]

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Thank you to the cops out there dealing with this crap. I cant stand how the focus is on the cop and not the people who are the problem.

[Po Pimp]

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The cop was ASKED by the school to come out and enforce jaywalking.

There was ZERO harrassment

Thank goodness you aren't backing me up out there...wow. You expect him to handle two females and not get physical at all despite them getting physical with him?

Did you see when the girl in black punched the officer in the head when he was trying to cuff her on the left side of the car?

Both displayed active aggression, there was a crowd who clearly was anti-cop, and he had no backup.



I wish the girls were white and the cop was black so I could say the EXACT same thing about the scenario.

That's what I said. I clearly stated the cop was probably given orders to enforce jaywalking. I live in Chicago, and I jaywalk all the time...I've jaywalked IN FRONT of cops, and they don't say anything. The point of the matter is that jaywalking is a petty crime, but the girls were out of line for acting stupid.

Also, I did state that he did what he had to do...I just thought punching her in the face was excessive. He coulda employed another physical tactic of restraint. But like I said, if he can't handle two women, he needs to be in a different line of work. They obviously tried him because he was small.

[KSUowls]

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You do know this is totally not true right? Did you get your law degree online?

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Every time I read one of those posts that thought came to me.

The girl in black was lucky she didn't get worse than just handcuffed with all the resisting she was doing, and the girl in pink deserved to be punched. The situation looked like the cop was about to be ganged up on and had to neutralize any extra threats immediately.

[LingeringRegime]

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I have a lot of respect for the great majority of police officers. I have only come across one ******* cop out of about 10 or so.

Treating them with some semblance of respect goes a long way. The young girl in the video needs a lesson in this.

[jeremym480]

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I have a lot of respect for the great majority of police officers. I have only come across one ******* cop out of about 10 or so.

Treating them with some semblance of respect goes a long way. The young girl in the video needs a lesson in this.

Exactly, I remember when I was a kid (around 11-12, I'm 30 now) the cops came to my Grandmother's house because me and one of my friends were shooting fireworks to late. When he pulled up my uncle (who served 2 years in jail) came out and apologized to the cop for us. When the cop left told my uncle told me that if I ever get questioned by a cop to be polite, tell the truth and never, ever argue with them. That advice has worked pretty well for me so far. Well with most cops I've came across anyways. I have ran across a couple of d-bags who were being d-bags just for the fun of it but, I don't think those guess are the norm.

[stewaat]

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I have a lot of respect for the great majority of police officers. I have only come across one ******* cop out of about 10 or so.

Treating them with some semblance of respect goes a long way. The young girl in the video needs a lesson in this.

As a cop this is 100% true. There are always bad apples in every bunch as they say. I know this, you know this, it's just how it is.

[stewaat]

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If he can't handle two females, he needs to be in a different line of work.

This is what I was talking about.

What would you do in that situation?

[WTF]

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I do. If I ask a person who walks away from me when I ask them if they wouldn't mind talking with me for a minute I can't do anything about it. I'm not trying to violate their 4th amendment rights.

In this case, she violated a state ordinance or law or G.S., which means the Officer was justified in detaining her. You don't need to tell somebody they are detained. You can order them to come over here, especially when they are in violation of a law/statute/ordinance.

You can detain individuals who haven't even broken the law but you have reasonable suspicion to believe they may have.

Traffic stops are detainment on reasonable suspicion. You don't have to violate the law to be pulled over.

This... End of discussion.

NOTHING wrong with what the Officer did in this scenario. I've been in many scenarios such as this, where there were a few violators in a group, but the rest of the group was compliant with my requests. The other few "subjects" decided to have a F' you attitude, at which point I have the right to place soft empty hand control on them. They have not paid attention to officer presence, or verbal command.

The female's were not being compliant to his requests for ID, and attempted to walk away. After the female became combative to the officer, then I'm in full support of the end consequence. When there is a large group, you have to regain order as quick as possible, as this could have turned even more ugly, even quicker.

[WTF]

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He coulda employed another physical tactic of restraint. But like I said, if he can't handle two women, he needs to be in a different line of work. They obviously tried him because he was small.

Unless you're in this situation, you don't necessarily know. I've went into situations, that I thought, "Hey, no big deal... No need to get physical" and the woman be all hyped up on stuff. They get dangerous. I'm a fairly good sized guy, but when you get in a group, you want to maintain order, and use the appropriate level of force. He was justified in what he did. He climbed the ladder of force. Officer Presence, Verbal Command, Soft Empty Hand... Punch to the face.