Discuss.

[Knight165]

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The "jaywalking crackdown" is probably stemming from complaints from locals and local business that can't get down the streets surrounding the school. I know that near any large school that just let's it's students out...en masse......is impossible to get by at that time.
Complaint to the school...
School asks for help.....

The only way to do it is to try and keep the students on the sidewalks and crossing at the crosswalks. Nearly an impossible task.
IMO large schools should be forced to have staggered start/release times for it's students. Much easier to control.

M.K.
Knight165

[WTF]

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Well, I believe in "an eye for an eye." The girl pushed him and he retaliated with a punch. Had she punched him first, I would have thought nothing of him punching her back. He should have called for backup if he felt that things were getting too out of control, but I'm sure the guys on the force would have egged him on for letting two females get the best of him.

An eye for an eye? When you're out dealing with people in groups, and one or two start getting unruly, I'd like to see how you handle things with that perspective. In a one off incident, you have a different perception,but when you've had guns and knives pulled on you in situations similar to this, you take care of business. I'm sorry man, but unless you've dealt with similar situations like I just said, you can say you'd do one thing, but your training and previous situations would advise you to do another.

My nearest "backup" is oftentimes 30-45 minutes away... and it takes mere seconds for something like this to get out of hand.

[ProjectRipCity]

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To all those saying he's in the wrong, what should he have done to right the situation?

They cannot explain probably because basic logic is a stretch for them.

[CreatineKasey]

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Yes! Cop debate. Didn't read posts. I thought pepper spray would suffice over a knuckle sandwich. Regardless, she disrespected him pretty bad, too.

[tsalbysp]

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To all those saying he's in the wrong, what should he have done to right the situation?

He shouldn't have chased down the girl, put his hands on her, and dragged her back to her car over JAYWALKING. I do not like it when people put their hands on me, I do not like when people try to show their dominance over me and treat me like I am a bloody animal. I don't want a cop putting his hands on my arm, and dragging me to his car unless I'm under arrest (for an actual crime). I am betting this is exactly what the girl was thinking. Some cop putting his grimy hands all over her, and for what? Because she walked across the street improperly?

This whole thing could have been avoided had he just let the girl walk away. It's jaywalking for christ sake.

[WTF]

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Not should have not chased down the girl, put his hands on her, and dragged her back to her car over ****ing JAYWALKING. I do not like it when people put their hands on me, I do not like when people try to show their dominance over me and treat me like I am a bloody animal. I don't want a cop putting his hands on my arm, and dragging me to his car unless I'm under arrest (for an actual crime).

That's what.

I hate to tell you, but if I'm going to issue you a citation, and you take off walking from me, then you will be coming back to receive your ticket, one way or another. And if you were to still insist on not coming back, then you'll be charged with Fleeing and evading on foot, and you will be subdued one way or another.

No matter how "petty" you feel this crime is, it's against the law, just like more serious offenses, and carries a penalty. If you act up, and decide you're above the law and become menacing, then you better be ready to take a ride. If she didn't want to talk to the officer, don't jaywalk, don't break the law, and go on about your merry business. The rest of the people in that group had respect, and did as the officer said, and you see them standing back and not having a problem.

If you don't want to be drug back to the car, or hands placed on you, don't walk away after committing a violation. Simple as that.

[WTF]

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This whole thing could have been avoided had he just let the girl walk away. It's jaywalking for christ sake.

Let me correct this for you:

This whole thing could have been avoided had the girl just followed the law, and not jaywalked.

[KSUowls]

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Well, I believe in "an eye for an eye." The girl pushed him and he retaliated with a punch. Had she punched him first, I would have thought nothing of him punching her back. He should have called for backup if he felt that things were getting too out of control, but I'm sure the guys on the force would have egged him on for letting two females get the best of him.

Ah...so you're one of those people who think the proper form of defense is to only respond up to the amount of force you are attacked with?

The cop was alone, the girl in black was trying to fight him off and then he suddenly has the girl in pink coming in trying to help her friend.

He had to neutralize the extra threats that were coming at him. Pushing her away may have worked, but when she got tagged in the jaw she stopped putting up a fight.

Maybe think of it like this. Imagine for whatever reason you get into some kind of shoving match with a stranger. You are by yourself and then his buddy jumps into the action as well. Are you just going to sit there and respond with equal force?

No, when people are being physically antagonistic against you then you do what you have to do to assert your dominance over the situation and protect yourself.

[tsalbysp]

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I hate to tell you, but if I'm going to issue you a citation, and you take off walking from me, then you will be coming back to receive your ticket, one way or another. And if you were to still insist on not coming back, then you'll be charged with Fleeing and evading on foot, and you will be subdued one way or another.

And that is EXACTLY what happened. You asked how the cop could have gone about this situation better and avoided the physical altercation. I told you how to avoid it: DON'T go after her. That is the only way to avoid the physical altercation, because the minute you go after her, you HAVE to initiate physical force.

The problem is, it's JAYWALKING. If you have to physically chase someone down, and initiate physical force (putting his hands on her), over something like jaywalking, something in your head should go off telling you "hey bud, this probably isn't a great idea. Why am I physically subduing someone over something as petty as "crossing the street improperly?""

[NoDakHusker]

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This whole thing could have been avoided had he just let the girl walk away. It's jaywalking for christ sake.

It seems your post is completely devoid of logic.
He was appointed to enforce jaywalking specifically..it's his job. Jaywalking was apparently becoming a problem in the area and he was given the [unfortunate] duty of enforcing it. I don't see how you can defend the girls, they weren't cooperating and in the end, got what they deserved.
End of story.

[Knight165]

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He shouldn't have chased down the girl, put his hands on her, and dragged her back to her car over JAYWALKING. I do not like it when people put their hands on me, I do not like when people try to show their dominance over me and treat me like I am a bloody animal. I don't want a cop putting his hands on my arm, and dragging me to his car unless I'm under arrest (for an actual crime). I am betting this is exactly what the girl was thinking. Some white boy cop putting his grimy hands all over her, and for what? Because she walked across the street improperly?

This whole thing could have been avoided had he just let the girl walk away. It's jaywalking for christ sake.

Telling.....very telling.


M.K.
Knight165

[KSUowls]

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He shouldn't have chased down the girl, put his hands on her, and dragged her back to her car over JAYWALKING. I do not like it when people put their hands on me, I do not like when people try to show their dominance over me and treat me like I am a bloody animal. I don't want a cop putting his hands on my arm, and dragging me to his car unless I'm under arrest (for an actual crime). I am betting this is exactly what the girl was thinking. Some white boy cop putting his grimy hands all over her, and for what? Because she walked across the street improperly?

This whole thing could have been avoided had he just let the girl walk away. It's jaywalking for christ sake.

So...he shouldn't have chased down someone who broke the law...a law that the school asked him to come and enforce?

I don't like people having authority over me either, but guess what...cops actually do have that ability. It comes down to these girls being too immature (or too stupid) to just accept that they were doing something wrong and get it over with.

I agree jaywalking is a petty crime, but it is a a crime nonetheless. It is the job of the police to enforce criminal law. In most cases cops do tend to overlook it, but when he is asked by the school to come and enforce the law then he doesn't have a choice in the matter.

[TheGamingChef]

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If a police officer ask for an ID you give it to him even if you feel you have done nothing wrong.

Not exactly true, it differs by state & jurisdiction what the "Stop and Identify" laws are. However clearly the cop is in the right in this case.

[mKoz26]

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Bye bye thread. Another cop thread made and another cop thread in which the race card is pulled. SMH.

[KSUowls]

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And that is EXACTLY what happened. You asked how the cop could have gone about this situation better and avoided the physical altercation. I told you how to avoid it: DON'T go after her. That is the only way to avoid the physical altercation, because the minute you go after her, you HAVE to initiate physical force.

The problem is, it's JAYWALKING. If you have to physically chase someone down, and initiate physical force (putting his hands on her), over something like jaywalking, something in your head should go off telling you "hey bud, this probably isn't a great idea. Why am I physically subduing someone over something as petty as "crossing the street improperly?""

The cop was asked to come enforce the law. If his job is to enforce jaywalking but he just lets anyone walk away from him without consequence when they ignore him then he isn't going to be very effective at his job and everyone will just ignore him.

Blame the girls for being stupid and immature not the cop for doing his job by enforcing the law.