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  • Beantown
    #DoYourJob
    • Feb 2005
    • 31523

    #616
    Re: Bin Laden is dead!

    Originally posted by gerg1234
    Are you talking about the actual confrontation with bin Laden? The way I understand it is it happened in his compound. Who ever was in his compound is considered an enemy combatant to me.
    Want to respond to this post -

    I couldn't agree more. Anyone in that compound was not "innocent," no matter what. They were harboring a world-wide fugitive, and just like if you were to house a fugitive in the states you would be guilty of aiding a fugitive, all of those people who lived in the same compound with the nation's number one most wanted criminal are criminals to me.

    I value human life as much as the next person, but this man and any person that helped him over these past ten years do not deserve my remorse.

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    • mKoz26
      In case you forgot...
      • Jan 2009
      • 4685

      #617
      Re: Bin Laden is dead!

      Originally posted by Jukeman
      Its hard to celebrate a murder
      Let me ask you a question: Is self-defense murder?

      EDIT: Let me rephrase that. Is self-defense resulting in death murder?
      Last edited by mKoz26; 05-02-2011, 10:10 PM.
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      • Sportsforever
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        • Mar 2005
        • 20368

        #618
        Re: Bin Laden is dead!

        Originally posted by Jukeman
        Its hard to celebrate a murder
        In 1997 Bin Laden declared war against the Western World. As far as I know, he never retracted, asked for an truce, or surrendered. He was, by his own choice, a combatant. This was not murder.
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        • slickdtc
          Grayscale
          • Aug 2004
          • 17125

          #619
          Re: Bin Laden is dead!

          Originally posted by Dayman
          I tweeted this last night as it was happening: "I know he killed a lot of people, but celebrating in the streets feels like something THEY would do after mass-killing Americans." and that's pretty much how I feel. I'm not condemning those that felt like gathering in the streets and celebrating with each other. They have their freedom to do that, it's part of the reason America's so awesome. I just felt like there's a thin line between celebration and hypocrisy. For years and years we've decried and denounced terrorist sympathizers for celebrating in the streets because they managed to kill a bunch of Americans.

          Here's where I think our celebrations last night and their celebrations separate, though, now that the dust has settled and I've had some time to think about it (That tweet was almost immediate and in the moment). Last night was about unbridled joy and happiness. It was about closure. It wasn't about "we hate these people and look what we did to them", like it is when these celebrations happen over there, if that makes sense. Like I said, it's a thin line between last night's celebrations and the celebrations that happen over there when they kill Americans, but there is a line, and I think that's important.

          I didn't do any celebrating last night, really. I was pretty introspective for awhile, then I cracked jokes on Twitter. That was my night, because that's the way I felt like reacting to this. If other people felt the need to organize in crowds and just be with each other, that's their prerogative.
          It just feels so wrong celebrating a death. But when I get to thinking about it, if I had lost someone in the 9/11 attacks, if I had ever been in the military fighting a war against these type of people, I think I would celebrate. Just like if someone had murdered a member of my family or a friend, I would celebrate them being brought to justice. There's no way you can ever get those people back who were lost, or have that day erased from history. It happened. And as wrong as it is to celebrate another human being killed, how can you not? This man brought so much horror and terror to the world, and he can no longer do that because he is no longer here. What had to be done was done.
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          • N51_rob
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            • Jul 2003
            • 14805

            #620
            Originally posted by Jukeman
            Its hard to celebrate a murder
            I can respect your opinion. But I respectfully disagree. They didn't hijack a military transport and crash it into a military base. They attacked civilians. If he was the mastermind he brought this on himself.

            You call it murder but some call justice. To each his own.

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            • Jukeman
              Showtime
              • Aug 2005
              • 10955

              #621
              Re: Bin Laden is dead!

              Originally posted by mKoz26
              Let me ask you a question: Is self-defense murder?

              Story I heard is that he was shoot in the head. was he sniped?

              If not, why not capture him and gather more intel like the so called weapons of mass destruction?

              The image I have in my head is this

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              Last edited by Jukeman; 05-02-2011, 10:15 PM.

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              • TheGamingChef
                MVP
                • Jun 2006
                • 3384

                #622
                Re: Bin Laden is dead!

                Originally posted by Pokes
                A lot of people want to play idealistic on that one.
                Without getting into politics, learning this info may have changed my opinion on that issue.

                Campus in Ames was pretty crazy last night with the celebration... we had one of the better ones across the country. I definitely took part. In my mind, it wasn't celebrating a death, but rather a celebration of the success of the American mission of protecting freedom.

                And with a few exceptions of idiots talking about Bush and Obama, 99% of the crowd was able to come together and make it a non-political issue for all Americans to celebrate. I loved that.

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                • mKoz26
                  In case you forgot...
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 4685

                  #623
                  Re: Bin Laden is dead!

                  Originally posted by Jukeman
                  Story I heard is that he was shoot in the head. was he sniped?

                  If not, why not capture him and gather more intel like the so called weapons of mass destruction?
                  If you know next to nothing about the situation, how can you call it murder?

                  Osama fired at the team. Once that happens, they have every right to shoot to kill.
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                  • TheGamingChef
                    MVP
                    • Jun 2006
                    • 3384

                    #624
                    Re: Bin Laden is dead!

                    Originally posted by Jukeman
                    Story I heard is that he was shoot in the head. was he sniped?

                    If not, why not capture him and gather more intel like the so called weapons of mass destruction?
                    There was a firefight that Osama himself participated in. He took his wife as a human shield.

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                    • TheMatrix31
                      RF
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 52906

                      #625
                      Re: Bin Laden is dead!

                      Originally posted by Jukeman
                      Story I heard is that he was shoot in the head. was he sniped?

                      If not, why not capture him and gather more intel like the so called weapons of mass destruction?

                      Well then, you should get your damn facts straight.

                      Not only was he shooting back, and not only did we detain him first, but we gave him the option of surrendering or dying. He chose death.

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                      • Sportsforever
                        NL MVP
                        • Mar 2005
                        • 20368

                        #626
                        Re: Bin Laden is dead!

                        Originally posted by Jukeman
                        Story I heard is that he was shoot in the head. was he sniped?

                        If not, why not capture him and gather more intel like the so called weapons of mass destruction?
                        This isn't necessarily directed at just you, but I have a problem with everyone coming out of the woodwork today and saying how wrong we are for killing OBL. Where were these same people the last 10 years as we hunted him, with an executive order on the books saying take him DEAD or alive? If you have moral objections, why not voice them then? Why is it that the deed happens and now people want to moralize our decision? If you had a problem with it, it should have been voiced in 2002 when the executive order was signed and continued to be voiced.
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                        • PVarck31
                          Moderator
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 16869

                          #627
                          Re: Bin Laden is dead!

                          Originally posted by Jukeman
                          Story I heard is that he was shoot in the head. was he sniped?

                          If not, why not capture him and gather more intel like the so called weapons of mass destruction?

                          The image I have in my head id this

                          Spoiler
                          He was given the opportunity to surrender. He chose not to. Hardly murder.

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                          • Psyblast
                            2023 National Champions
                            • Jun 2003
                            • 42582

                            #628
                            Re: Bin Laden is dead!

                            Originally posted by Sportsforever
                            In 1997 Bin Laden declared war against the Western World. As far as I know, he never retracted, asked for an truce, or surrendered. He was, by his own choice, a combatant. This was not murder.



                            Thank you.

                            OBL, and those of his ilk, want to exterminate this country and all of its inhabitants from the face of the earth. They would behead every single one of us without a second thought or any remorse. We here in the West (not getting political here) have this romantic notion that we can negotiate with all our enemies, that we can find common ground and hammer out some kind of truce without shedding blood. It's unbelievably sad that it took 3000 American lives for us to finally wake up to the reality that this is an enemy that cannot be bargained with. They don't want land, or money, or prestige. They want us to cease to exist. They want to destroy every remnant of our way of life.

                            It's kill or be killed. It's that simple. It's not pretty. But it's necessary. This is war. OBL was not a civilian; he was a mass murderer with zero regard for human life, and the world is a better (and safer) place with him no longer drawing breath.

                            I'm not going to comment on any religious aspect of this thing (and neither should any of you, remember...). It boils down to the fact that a man who wanted to murder all of us is now dead, and for that, I celebrate his demise.

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                            • NDAlum
                              ND
                              • Jun 2010
                              • 11453

                              #629
                              Re: Bin Laden is dead!

                              Originally posted by Jukeman
                              Story I heard is that he was shoot in the head. was he sniped?

                              If not, why not capture him and gather more intel like the so called weapons of mass destruction?

                              The image I have in my head id this

                              Spoiler


                              "The troops had orders to take bin Laden alive only if he posed no threat to American soldiers. But bin Laden refused to give himself up. That’s when he was shot in a bedroom — only minutes into the raid — ending a 10-year manhunt."

                              "And when he came under fire from U.S. forces, the boastful Saudi son of privilege had a human shield, a woman, possibly his own wife."
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                              • bkrich83
                                Has Been
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 71577

                                #630
                                Re: Bin Laden is dead!

                                Originally posted by Jukeman
                                Its hard to celebrate a murder
                                He declared war on the US quite literally. Making him an enemy combatant. Killing an enemy combatant is not murder. Now the war he declared is over for him.
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