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  • CMH
    Making you famous
    • Oct 2002
    • 26203

    #1

    The Talk...With the Boss

    How did you guys go about resigning, leaving, however you want to call it from a job you aren't necessarily walking away from because you hate your boss or anything seriously negative in that way, but because it's not working out for you anymore?

    Been with the company for five years. I've made a hard decision to leave at the end of this year. Some of you may know that I've decided to go back to school to become a teacher. I hope to start in the Fall of 2013. But in the meantime, I want to take odd jobs and gigs with film, television or commercials shoots.

    It's just tough to know I'm going to sit down with this guy sometime beginning of December and tell him I'm leaving. In five years, I can say I've developed a pretty good friendship with my boss. He's two years older than me so we normally have many of the same things to discuss. Makes work life a little easier. Unfortunately, the things I'm doing at the job, I feel I have outgrown and I believe the position has outgrown me. The things he wants to promote me into are things I have zero interest in doing. It just doesn't make sense to continue...and there's the whole school/being a teacher thing too.

    The tough balance is I'm counted on for a lot. I've warned my boss many times he shouldn't count on just me to both know and do the things I do. Many people feel they are important to their company. I AM important to my company. Seriously. Things screech to a grinding halt if I'm out of the country or in jury duty (examples of places I've been in when the calls and emails never end because no one knows how to move forward).

    I've told him: What if something happened to me? I fly a lot for work. You just never know. I've told him: We need interns, people under me, doing the things I do, learning from me, just in case. 3 years since those discussions started. 3 years and nothing has happened.

    And I know the day I walk out, he's gonna be lost. Sure, he can find someone to replace me, but the amount of training will take a lot of time. And there's his business suddenly slowing down (because it's ballooning fast) and as a friend of his, it sucks to know I could be doing that to him.

    The other part of me says: It's not my problem. I gotta take care of me. I'm not doing anything I thought I'd be doing when I first joined the company. Anything film/video related has been pushed outside to the garbage because the boss has deemed it "not worth the time and effort." Yet, that's why I'm here. So my job has become doing things I'm overqualified to do, under paid to do, and promoted to do what I have no desire to do.

    Anyway, that's just some explanation on why I'm leaving. Curious to read how others got through that conversation. I fully expect a lot of push back. But it's not up for discussion. I've made up my mind. Just kinda dreading that moment. Feel like I'm breaking up with that nice girl that I don't like anymore.
    "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

    "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer
  • 23
    yellow
    • Sep 2002
    • 66469

    #2
    Re: The Talk...With the Boss

    Just tell him just that, you've decided to go back to school to further your education

    If they were to lay you off which has happened alot over the past few years, they'd do what they have to

    Put it this way, what if you were, you know say giving your resignation to James Dolan and you were Isaiah Thomas
    Just think....


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    • LowerWolf
      Hall Of Fame
      • Jun 2006
      • 12267

      #3
      Re: The Talk...With the Boss

      Basically telling him what you said in the first two paragraphs is pretty much what I'd tell him.

      It's business, things change. You've got to do what's best for you.

      My first real job, I was pretty much the man. I left after four years. My direct boss was an idiot, so he didn't realize the impact me leaving would have. His boss was smarter. He tried to talk me into staying ... even tried to rehire me after I left. But I told him I needed to grow and had opportunities in front of me that were better for me and where I wanted to go. He wasn't happy, but he understood. I imagine your boss will be the same way.

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      • KingV2k3
        Senior Circuit
        • May 2003
        • 5881

        #4
        Re: The Talk...With the Boss

        Since they "lure" you to show up with the promise of $$$, all "personal" / commitment issues fall by the wayside...

        If it was in their interest, they'd "downsize" you into oblivion in a heartbeat...

        Additionally:

        If you can get semi regular production $$$ coming in, that's ideal...

        I did that for years, and it is awesome!

        Good luck with your new ("straight world job free") life...



        Personally, I love quitting jobs ALMOST as much as I enjoy firing (incompetent) people...

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        • fistofrage
          Hall Of Fame
          • Aug 2002
          • 13682

          #5
          Re: The Talk...With the Boss

          Just tell him what you typed. That its a career change and its nothing to do with the company or the people, but you are persuing your passion.

          And as for the company, I have found that noone is irreplaceable. Things have a way of moving on and moving forward when people leave.
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          • CMH
            Making you famous
            • Oct 2002
            • 26203

            #6
            Re: The Talk...With the Boss

            Originally posted by 23
            Just tell him just that, you've decided to go back to school to further your education

            If they were to lay you off which has happened alot over the past few years, they'd do what they have to

            Put it this way, what if you were, you know say giving your resignation to James Dolan and you were Isaiah Thomas
            Just think....


            What
            Would
            ZEKE
            Do
            Why you gotta bring Isiah into this?!

            Well, I can tell you with full 100% confidence I'm not getting fired anytime soon. This is a small company and I'm the only one that does 49% of the work. The other 49% is my boss. 2% to whoever comes in to work for a couple hours and assist us. It's basically just the two of us.

            And that set up is nice for job security, but more and more I'm feeling like his assistant. He has no one else to call over to get little things done, so I'm expected to drop my work and do those things. I'm not saying I'm cleaning dude's toilet or taking out his laundry. But I am saying I'm doing secretarial work that really feels way under me at this point and position with the company.

            But, yes, the education part is coming up. It's just that I'm also leaving now rather than later since I don't expect to start school until the Fall. I just also know that part of the reason I'm starting in the Fall (or hope to) is because this job didn't allow me enough time to properly research starting school in January 2013.

            Originally posted by LowerWolf
            Basically telling him what you said in the first two paragraphs is pretty much what I'd tell him.

            It's business, things change. You've got to do what's best for you.

            My first real job, I was pretty much the man. I left after four years. My direct boss was an idiot, so he didn't realize the impact me leaving would have. His boss was smarter. He tried to talk me into staying ... even tried to rehire me after I left. But I told him I needed to grow and had opportunities in front of me that were better for me and where I wanted to go. He wasn't happy, but he understood. I imagine your boss will be the same way.
            In the end, he will understand. He won't be happy. And I've learned to understand that a man like him is the boss of a successful small business because he doesn't roll over and just take whatever someone tells him. He's gonna sell me hard to reconsider especially when he knows how much experience I'm taking with me.

            But, you're right, things change. I have to do what's best for me. It's not my company. I've told myself that while he's worried about his company's brand, I have to worry about my own brand. Right now, my brand isn't growing while I'm there.
            "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

            "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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            • Blzer
              Resident film pundit
              • Mar 2004
              • 42514

              #7
              Re: The Talk...With the Boss

              I remember you once saying that you were going to get into teaching. Glad to see that you're considering pursuing it very soon!

              I majored in computer science for five years of undergrad, and the next year I looked at the job market, but wanted to be really picky about it. When I didn't find what I wanted, I was substitute teaching high school all the meanwhile. Flash-forward a year, and I'm now working on my teaching credential. This is truly my passion. I have been an interviews that I think were botched when they asked me: "Why are you substitute teaching instead of trying to get a programming job?" (which is strange when I'm actually being interviewed for a job in programming).

              I always wanted to be a teacher, but not to begin with. I wanted it to be my second career when I was older. Now, that's not so much the case. I enjoy coaching softball, having weekends and summers "off," and helping educate our youth in the process. It's a win for me, and I think your boss will understand where you're coming from if you simply explain it.
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              • CMH
                Making you famous
                • Oct 2002
                • 26203

                #8
                Re: The Talk...With the Boss

                Originally posted by KingV2k3
                Since they "lure" you to show up with the promise of $$$, all "personal" / commitment issues fall by the wayside...

                If it was in their interest, they'd "downsize" you into oblivion in a heartbeat...

                Additionally:

                If you can get semi regular production $$$ coming in, that's ideal...

                I did that for years, and it is awesome!

                Good luck with your new ("straight world job free") life...



                Personally, I love quitting jobs ALMOST as much as I enjoy firing (incompetent) people...
                I'm really looking forward to it. Been reaching out to producers, friends in the industry to let them know I'm willing and able to get back to work.

                One producer already told me that he has some commercial spots lined up for December and to get back to him. This particular producer was not pleased when I told him I became a company man. He pretty much asked me what he had to do to get me to leave the job and just work for him on his shoots.

                I'm confident he'll get me some jobs to start off and from there I'll just need to continue networking to find other jobs. You know how it works.

                Almost afraid I'll love it so much I won't want to be a teacher. But, I think going to school is the right move for me. I can still work on sets when I have free time. I'll have more of it.
                "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

                "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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                • CMH
                  Making you famous
                  • Oct 2002
                  • 26203

                  #9
                  Re: The Talk...With the Boss

                  Originally posted by Blzer

                  I always wanted to be a teacher, but not to begin with. I wanted it to be my second career when I was older.
                  This was exactly my thought process. I wanted to be a teacher in the second life. Never considered it now because I always just figured I'd do it later. Then I started asking myself why? Why push it for later if you want to do it? Do it now.
                  "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

                  "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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                  • 23
                    yellow
                    • Sep 2002
                    • 66469

                    #10
                    Re: The Talk...With the Boss

                    I remember a lady left here years ago and her words spoke to me when I had to make a big decision like you are...although it wasnt work, but for her it was

                    Anyway she told me as I asked her was she comfortable with leaving

                    She said "when it's time, you'll know"

                    Those few words spoke to me over a decade later and it made a decision for myself and my family happen that really did end up benefitting us tremendously

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                    • KingV2k3
                      Senior Circuit
                      • May 2003
                      • 5881

                      #11
                      Re: The Talk...With the Boss

                      Originally posted by CMH
                      I'm really looking forward to it. Been reaching out to producers, friends in the industry to let them know I'm willing and able to get back to work.

                      One producer already told me that he has some commercial spots lined up for December and to get back to him. This particular producer was not pleased when I told him I became a company man. He pretty much asked me what he had to do to get me to leave the job and just work for him on his shoots.

                      I'm confident he'll get me some jobs to start off and from there I'll just need to continue networking to find other jobs. You know how it works.

                      Almost afraid I'll love it so much I won't want to be a teacher. But, I think going to school is the right move for me. I can still work on sets when I have free time. I'll have more of it.


                      The day rates are sick, the overtime is super nutz and everyday is an adventure...

                      I did LOTS of commercials, some TV, a few features...

                      Plus, there's actresses!!!!

                      If that kind of work didn't die out in my area after (9/11) I'd still be doing it...

                      The freedom and the characters...

                      Can't say enough good things about that lifestyle / work

                      I hated being in school and I don't like kids, so the teaching bug never got to me...

                      Other than the sweet (summer / holiday) schedule, who wants to take crap from juvies at 7 am?

                      Last edited by KingV2k3; 11-02-2012, 04:55 PM.

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                      • jeremym480
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                        • Oct 2008
                        • 18198

                        #12
                        Re: The Talk...With the Boss

                        Since you do have such a good relationship, I would go ahead and have a sit down with him ASAP. That was you could help train you replacement and the transition won't be quite as difficult.

                        From what you say, he doesn't seem to be the type of person or be in the position to tell you to go ahead and GTFO (I've had an employer do that to me when turning in a two weeks notice). So I would just be honest and try not to leave him in a lurch.

                        Good luck with your new career, BTW.
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                        • CMH
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                          • Oct 2002
                          • 26203

                          #13
                          Re: The Talk...With the Boss

                          Originally posted by KingV2k3
                          Other than the sweet (summer / holiday) schedule, who wants to take crap from juvies at 7 am?

                          I'm a moderator at OS. :wink:

                          Originally posted by jeremym480
                          Since you do have such a good relationship, I would go ahead and have a sit down with him ASAP. That was you could help train you replacement and the transition won't be quite as difficult.

                          From what you say, he doesn't seem to be the type of person or be in the position to tell you to go ahead and GTFO (I've had an employer do that to me when turning in a two weeks notice). So I would just be honest and try not to leave him in a lurch.

                          Good luck with your new career, BTW.
                          Thanks. It's a possibility, but I know him and he'll bring it up every opportunity. He has this knack. A good guy, but he can irk you too. My timing is purposeful. Event season ends in December. Since there will be no time to train anybody at the moment, I don't see where I'd even have time to help in that way.

                          Because I'm leaving when event season ends, he will have nearly two months to work on a replacement while his mind is free of the daily event grind. And my plan is to discuss options to come in and work a day's rate to help where needed until he gets situated.

                          It doesn't mean I'll do the regular work I normally do. My plan is to only help if it means training or if I'm available and they're in a bind during the Spring event season (We pretty much already do this when we are double booked).
                          "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

                          "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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                          • mgoblue
                            Go Wings!
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 25477

                            #14
                            Re: The Talk...With the Boss

                            Would it be possible for him to fix things to keep you? If so, ask for those things.

                            When I left my last job in July I just needed a change of scenery, along with some corporate things that weren't going to change (processes, possibility for raises/advancement, etc) and I had too good an offer to leave. However, after I gave my notice they tried to keep me. I still didn't want to stay, but a lot of places may bend over backwards to keep you.
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                            • CMH
                              Making you famous
                              • Oct 2002
                              • 26203

                              #15
                              Re: The Talk...With the Boss

                              Originally posted by mgoblue
                              Would it be possible for him to fix things to keep you? If so, ask for those things.

                              When I left my last job in July I just needed a change of scenery, along with some corporate things that weren't going to change (processes, possibility for raises/advancement, etc) and I had too good an offer to leave. However, after I gave my notice they tried to keep me. I still didn't want to stay, but a lot of places may bend over backwards to keep you.
                              I brought it up three years ago that we needed to do more video projects. Every year he said we will. Every year we didn't. This past year he pretty much spoke for me saying "we don't want to do those anymore." He has this thing where he believes what he thinks is what I think.

                              I didn't say anything because if I've made numerous comments about focusing on certain projects and numerous times it's ignored, I'm not going to waste my breathe. At that point, after a number of years, it's clear he isn't focused on it.

                              That's not even mentioning the tasks I currently have. There are many many things that I've brought up numerous times from tasks, to projects, to health benefits, to help and each of those things has gone ignored. I'm not the only one that works events that feels this way. Every time I bring those things up, it's next year. I've done that for five years now.

                              There is nothing he can do to change things because the company is geared toward one program. He won't drop that program for me. I don't expect him to. It's his money-maker. Simply, I have no interest in being a part of that program.
                              Last edited by CMH; 11-02-2012, 07:20 PM.
                              "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

                              "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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