Woman Pushes Man in front of a train in NYC, 2nd time in a month

[bigeastbumrush]

Re: Woman Pushes Man in front of a train in NYC, 2nd time in a month

Oh, I agree with you about the MTA mismanaging itself. Keep in mind though, they have to pay many many workers. Station attendants, conductors, cleaning crews, maintenance workers, etc. They have to pay utilities to run the trains/stations 24/7. Pay for upkeep of stations. Health care and pensions for their workers (many of which are probably over paid). And pet projects, line extensions, new cars...things that are not cheap. And that's just the subways..then you also have a huge bus system covering a much wider area.

However, I do agree that the cost to ride + number of daily riders should have the MTA in a surplus..IF they were managed properly. But even still, that money should be going back into more pressing projects, not safe barriers. Not when you consider 54 TOTAL deaths in 2012 (mostly suicides). Makes no sense what so ever (do the math on it), not when there are many more improvements that would be more beneficial.

The MTA workers who are in the field make pennies and the token booth clerks are pretty much being phased out by machines.

I think the transit system in this country sucks overall when I see all the high speed lines in Asia.

[p_rushing]

Re: Woman Pushes Man in front of a train in NYC, 2nd time in a month

The main reason you can't install barriers is that the trains will have to stop at the same point at each station. Then to get on the train, there has to be an opening that is either permanent (which still allows someone to be pushed) or something that opens when the train comes.

If something has to open each time, how many times will it break?

Best thing to do is slow the trains down when entering the station and add sensors to the stations where if someone is on the tracks, they know it. It won't stop anything if someone is pushed right in front of the train, but it would help otherwise.

[CMH]

Re: Woman Pushes Man in front of a train in NYC, 2nd time in a month

The MTA workers who are in the field make pennies and the token booth clerks are pretty much being phased out by machines.

I think the transit system in this country sucks overall when I see all the high speed lines in Asia.

The L also has new trains. As does the N and Q. Also the M has new cars.

But the A,B,C,D,7 are among the ugliest and dirtiest lines in the city. I won't get into why that's the case. It's easy to figure out when you put your mind to it.

Having said that, I lived on the last stop of the D train and saw them clean it every time. It's just that the trains are so filthy and old to begin with, it doesn't matter. And as you mentioned, once you have millions of people taking one line, it's impossible to keep it clean for all of us.

Finally, I do not know for sure I support the Asia lines. Those may have some super fast trains and look marvelous, but read about the upkeep and the speed at which those lines were built especially in China. China has had some serious accidents as a result. I think Japan has fared better because they took their time building the thing.

Unfortunately, New York suffers from being too big too fast. It's nearly impossible to restructure the entire train system to be similar to Asia's without putting a stop to all transportation in the city. When you consider the laws in America, you have to deal with private contractors as well. It's just not that easy.

The main reason you can't install barriers is that the trains will have to stop at the same point at each station. Then to get on the train, there has to be an opening that is either permanent (which still allows someone to be pushed) or something that opens when the train comes.

If something has to open each time, how many times will it break?

Best thing to do is slow the trains down when entering the station and add sensors to the stations where if someone is on the tracks, they know it. It won't stop anything if someone is pushed right in front of the train, but it would help otherwise.

There is a station (14th St. Union Square) that always has an extended floor shoot out when the tree has reached a stop. I'm not sure how it is operated, but I imagine it could work similarly if it went up/down instead of in/out.

But I agree, the real solution is having trains slow down prior to reaching the station. Right now, the NYC trains slow down in the middle of the platform. That's not enough time for anyone to outrun the train and reach the end of the track (if you didn't panic and thought to do so).

Trains should slow down just prior to reaching the platform so if they did hit someone, that someone might actually be able to survive.

Sensors wouldn't work especially with the number of rats we have here. I guess you could apply a weight limit. That's still a lot of money. This is the same system that still won't spend money to make the underground tunnels WiFi available. That doesn't cost as much money as people might think. Trust me, I know because part of my job is making sure venues have WiFi when they don't. It's easy to get done.

[Knight165]

Re: Woman Pushes Man in front of a train in NYC, 2nd time in a month

The L also has new trains. As does the N and Q. Also the M has new cars.

But the A,B,C,D,7 are among the ugliest and dirtiest lines in the city. I won't get into why that's the case. It's easy to figure out when you put your mind to it.

Having said that, I lived on the last stop of the D train and saw them clean it every time. It's just that the trains are so filthy and old to begin with, it doesn't matter. And as you mentioned, once you have millions of people taking one line, it's impossible to keep it clean for all of us.

Finally, I do not know for sure I support the Asia lines. Those may have some super fast trains and look marvelous, but read about the upkeep and the speed at which those lines were built especially in China. China has had some serious accidents as a result. I think Japan has fared better because they took their time building the thing.

Unfortunately, New York suffers from being too big too fast. It's nearly impossible to restructure the entire train system to be similar to Asia's without putting a stop to all transportation in the city. When you consider the laws in America, you have to deal with private contractors as well. It's just not that easy.



There is a station (14th St. Union Square) that always has an extended floor shoot out when the tree has reached a stop. I'm not sure how it is operated, but I imagine it could work similarly if it went up/down instead of in/out.

But I agree, the real solution is having trains slow down prior to reaching the station. Right now, the NYC trains slow down in the middle of the platform. That's not enough time for anyone to outrun the train and reach the end of the track (if you didn't panic and thought to do so).

Trains should slow down just prior to reaching the platform so if they did hit someone, that someone might actually be able to survive.

Sensors wouldn't work especially with the number of rats we have here. I guess you could apply a weight limit. That's still a lot of money. This is the same system that still won't spend money to make the underground tunnels WiFi available. That doesn't cost as much money as people might think. Trust me, I know because part of my job is making sure venues have WiFi when they don't. It's easy to get done.

At one time the A,B and 7 lines were the newest in the fleet.
Just like the rigs in the F.D......there is a rolling replacement in place.
One year you got a brand new shiny rig....9 years from now it looks like it's been through the war and should be de-commissioned. It's not 'til year 10 that you are ready for a new rig. It doesn't matter if you're in the middle of Manhattan or Bushwick Brooklyn.
It's the same for the subway lines I would say.
The N and Q (lines I used to take when I was in Manhattan/Queens) were some of the worst.

zRevis;
I didn't mean to imply that at the Ditmars station it got a scrubbing. There was always a maintenance worker just to pick up debris.

We're getting off topic here though.
I've seen they charged a woman with 2nd degree murder today.

M.K.
Knight165

[Knight165]

Re: Woman Pushes Man in front of a train in NYC, 2nd time in a month

Link to story of woman being charged....http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012...nyc-train?lite


M.K.
Knight165

[CMH]

Re: Woman Pushes Man in front of a train in NYC, 2nd time in a month

Link to story of woman being charged....http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012...nyc-train?lite


M.K.
Knight165

A hate crime? Wow, that's a reversal I didn't expect at all. But she definitely made it clear with her alleged comments following the arrest.

I always try to keep my body somewhere near a wall or barrier. Too many crazies walking around the system. The unfortunate thing is this won't be the last time this happens because I still see people lean out to look at the train.

[Knight165]

Re: Woman Pushes Man in front of a train in NYC, 2nd time in a month

A hate crime? Wow, that's a reversal I didn't expect at all. But she definitely made it clear with her alleged comments following the arrest.

I always try to keep my body somewhere near a wall or barrier. Too many crazies walking around the system. The unfortunate thing is this won't be the last time this happens because I still see people lean out to look at the train.

Right?...like looking makes it come faster.
I stay by the wall until the train pulls in.

M.K.
Knight165

[yankeesgiants]

Re: Woman Pushes Man in front of a train in NYC, 2nd time in a month

Here in Boston we have people walking of Red Line platforms all year long.

With video

http://blogs.bostonmagazine.com/bost...line-platform/

[Knight165]

Re: Woman Pushes Man in front of a train in NYC, 2nd time in a month

Here in Boston we have people walking of Red Line platforms all year long.

With video

http://blogs.bostonmagazine.com/bost...line-platform/

What in the world?....are those people hypnotized?

Lucky people though....wow....

In 1996 or 97 when I was in Engine Co. 1 in Midtown Manhattan I responded to a person struck by a train in Penn Station.
Gruesome....not something I ever want to see again.
Add to the fact that I had to crawl under the train to get to him.....yikes.

M.K.
Knight165

[bigeastbumrush]

Re: Woman Pushes Man in front of a train in NYC, 2nd time in a month

Jan 1, 2013 9:17 p.m.


Police say a young woman who was stumbling on a subway platform near Times Square fell onto the tracks and was killed by an oncoming train early Tuesday morning.

Authorities said the incident happened around 5:20 a.m. at the 34th Street and Seventh Avenue station, one stop away from Times Square. Witnesses said the 20-year-old woman climbed down onto the tracks on the No. 2 line, walked down the tunnel and laid down on the tracks.

This is the third deaths on the subways in recent weeks. Two men were pushed to their deaths in December.

http://wnyw.m0bl.net/r/1comn5

[TheMatrix31]

Re: Woman Pushes Man in front of a train in NYC, 2nd time in a month

Well that's certainly a pathetic way to kill yourself. Not that there is a non-pathetic way, I guess.

[JBH3]

How does this in any way compare to car crashes? You can't completely eliminate car crashes. People will text and drive no matter what law is passed if they really want to. Just like there will always be someone who gets behind the wheel of a car after spending the night at a bar. Just to use a couple of examples.

However you CAN prevent this completely.


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.....By not standing near the tracks as the train approaches...

[z Revis]

Re: Woman Pushes Man in front of a train in NYC, 2nd time in a month

.....By not standing near the tracks as the train approaches...

Obviously people don't do that though or we wouldn't be having this discussion.

[chilli311]

Re: Woman Pushes Man in front of a train in NYC, 2nd time in a month

Obviously people don't do that though or we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Everybody is in a rush to do everything now. So many people have to be the first to do things, and they have no consideration for anyone else.

[CMH]

Everybody is in a rush to do everything now. So many people have to be the first to do things, and they have no consideration for anyone else.

I love when people entering the train get upset that people exiting the train are trying to squeeze through to get out.

It's pretty simple. Let them off. Then you step in. Common sense isn't a strong suit for many in this world.


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