Input on indoor smoking needed

[ODogg]

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B. I would drive further to avoid cigarettes while eating. Smoking is disgusting. People can do whatever they like personally but smoking infringes on others right to breathe fresh air, is a known carcinogen and IMO should be banned in ALL public places both indoor and outdoor.

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Damn, reading through this thread it is a lot of non-smokers around here. I smoke and I'm currently on the process of quitting but I hate smoking bans. While I completely agree they smell horrible to non-smokers, I feel as if they've stripped away my liberties man. Why something considered legal gets treated like an illegal activity is beyond me. Whereas 20 years ago, there were cigg machines everywhere and people seemed to fair just fine.

[JODYE]

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But what about the liberties of people who choose not to smoke, yet go to a public place and are forced to have their health affected by some one else?

I understand it's public, but more places are affected than just restaurants/bars. Buses, Airports etc.

Just like you choose to smoke, those other people choose not to, and don't think it's fair to have to be exposed to something that is detrimental to their well being. I think the effects of second hand smoke have been well documented by now.

If this was chewing tobacco, or something that's use didn't directly impact people that were nearby, then I would have a completely different stance.

[SuperBowlNachos]

Doctors also used to be able to smoke while seeing patients. Back then people either thought it was harmless or that second hand smoke had no affect.

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I always hoped that most public places would at least add a closed off smoking section to accomodate those who do puff. Especially in bars/clubs where smoking/drinking go hand in hand. Forcing me to go outside...near a curb, in the frigid temps of winter is a slap in the face to my "legal" habit. They might as well just go with an all out ban instead of half assing it.

[mgoblue]

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But what about the liberties of people who choose not to smoke, yet go to a public place and are forced to have their health affected by some one else?

I understand it's public, but more places are affected than just restaurants/bars. Buses, Airports etc.

Just like you choose to smoke, those other people choose not to, and don't think it's fair to have to be exposed to something that is detrimental to their well being. I think the effects of second hand smoke have been well documented by now.

If this was chewing tobacco, or something that's use didn't directly impact people that were nearby, then I would have a completely different stance.

Yeah, when I smoked I never would smoke around other people who weren't smoking....I'd feel bad.

Now that I've quit, I don't want the nasty secondhand smoke smell to hurt my health anymore.

I don't care what people do as long as it doesn't affect me, but secondhand smoke does affect people. Just 30 years ago no one realized how bad it was or just didn't care.

[jmood88]

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Damn, reading through this thread it is a lot of non-smokers around here. I smoke and I'm currently on the process of quitting but I hate smoking bans. While I completely agree they smell horrible to non-smokers, I feel as if they've stripped away my liberties man. Why something considered legal gets treated like an illegal activity is beyond me. Whereas 20 years ago, there were cigg machines everywhere and people seemed to fair just fine.

Smoking is a choice, not a right and it's a choice that negatively impacts other people's health.

[ImTellinTim]

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I always hoped that most public places would at least add a closed off smoking section to accomodate those who do puff. Especially in bars/clubs where smoking/drinking go hand in hand. Forcing me to go outside...near a curb, in the frigid temps of winter is a slap in the face to my "legal" habit. They might as well just go with an all out ban instead of half assing it.

They kind of did that here in Minnesota at first. They allowed smoking in bars. And if you were a restaurant with a bar, the bar area had to be enclosed with a separate ventilation system to allow smoking. So a bunch of business spent money renovating. Then a year later they banned it at all indoor establishments other than tobacco shops and Native American casinos (which are not governened by State law). The businesses that spent all that money were pissed.

When I first started working at the Reservation in 2004, they still allowed smoking in our office, but later made the decision to make the building non-smoking. Working all day in a smoking-allowed office sucked. It adversely affected me, as I would be hacking up crap out of my lungs every few mornings.

What it comes down to is the health of the workers. They shouldn't be subjected to something that is proven to be a health hazard over a prolonged time period just for going to work.

As for the poll question, I would not go out of my way to avoid it. I would probably just go out less. I still go to the casino once a month or so and they allow smoking.

[55]

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Damn, reading through this thread it is a lot of non-smokers around here. I smoke and I'm currently on the process of quitting but I hate smoking bans. While I completely agree they smell horrible to non-smokers, I feel as if they've stripped away my liberties man. Why something considered legal gets treated like an illegal activity is beyond me. Whereas 20 years ago, there were cigg machines everywhere and people seemed to fair just fine.

I enjoy drinking beer, but I'm not allowed to just walk down the street drinking one either.

Get over it.

[AUChase]

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I enjoy drinking beer, but I'm not allowed to just walk down the street drinking one either.

Get over it.

Said the man who doesn't smoke.

I get what you guys are saying about second hand smoke and I don't smoke cigarettes and I haven't had a cigar with my mixed drink in almost a month, but I do think there's a difference between a bar and a place to eat.

A lot of people are all ready heading into a bar to binge drink and act a fool and probably leave, driving a vehicle.

There's only one around here that still allows it and the rest have outdoor smoking sections.

At the end of the day, I think business owners should be allowed to do what they want to do and leave it up to the people patronizing their establishment to decide whether or not they want to go there.

[JODYE]

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Said the man who doesn't smoke.

I get what you guys are saying about second hand smoke and I don't smoke cigarettes and I haven't had a cigar with my mixed drink in almost a month, but I do think there's a difference between a bar and a place to eat.

A lot of people are all ready heading into a bar to binge drink and act a fool and probably leave, driving a vehicle.

There's only one around here that still allows it and the rest have outdoor smoking sections.

At the end of the day, I think business owners should be allowed to do what they want to do and leave it up to the people patronizing their establishment to decide whether or not they want to go there.

No there's not.

The establishment has no bearing on what effect second hand smoke has on other people besides the smoker.

And most bars I know, still serve food.

What about people that are allergic? Are they supposed to be hermits just because going to a bar , you should "expect" there to be smoking.

And also generalizing drinkers and what they go to a bar to do is irrelevant. The bar is for drinking. What you drink, doesn't directly effect other people's experience at the bar itself.

Taking the "suck it up" stance is a selfish one IMO.

[ImTellinTim]

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Said the man who doesn't smoke.

I'm pretty sure he used to. But that's not the point. Non-smokers' opinions are valid here because they are affected. Going outside to smoke being such a nuisance is such a #firstworldproblem. I'm with him. Get over it. I'm a chewer myself who will bum smokes from my friends once in awhile. It's really not that big of a deal to me and I live in one of the coldest places in the country.

[AUChase]

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No there's not.

The establishment has no bearing on what effect second hand smoke has on other people besides the smoker.

And most bars I know, still serve food.

What about people that are allergic? Are they supposed to be hermits just because going to a bar , you should "expect" there to be smoking.

And also generalizing drinkers and what they go to a bar to do is irrelevant. The bar is for drinking. What you drink, doesn't directly effect other people's experience at the bar itself.

Taking the "suck it up" stance is a selfish one IMO.

While it doesn't necessarily, I'm not walking into the local strip club with a little kid with underdeveloped lungs or something.

People who are allergic have the option to go or not go wherever they want, as long as you understand the consequences or limitations to where you are going lactose intolerant people don't go to Dairy Queen, do they ?

I've had loved one struck by people who have left a bar drunk and they were left paralyzed.. if people were at the door stopping drinking and driving, then you could say it doesn't have life altering implication. Also, let me know next time someone gets **** faced drunk in a bar and starts a fight and you get struck. then tell me if it had an affect on your experience.

Two fold argument, much like the rest of the points made in this thread, including mine. The "suck it up approach" was taken towards people who do smoke too.

At the end of the day, it should be up to the establishment to make the decision. Then people have the option to go wherever they want or stay away.

55, I apologize. I didn't see where you said you were a past smoker.

This has turned into more of an argument about what should be allowed than what we would do personally under specific laws.. I've just been trying to play devils advocate. I don't smoke and It's not a huge deal to me, but we needed some opinions from another perspective.

[ODogg]

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Damn, reading through this thread it is a lot of non-smokers around here. I smoke and I'm currently on the process of quitting but I hate smoking bans. While I completely agree they smell horrible to non-smokers, I feel as if they've stripped away my liberties man. Why something considered legal gets treated like an illegal activity is beyond me. Whereas 20 years ago, there were cigg machines everywhere and people seemed to fair just fine.

I am 100% behind liberty and people gaving freedom to partake in their own pleasurable activities, healthy or unhealthy. However, when your liberties infringe upon mine we have an issue.

I have no issue with tobacco users who do rub, smoke a smokeless e-cig or otherwise consume tobacco that doesn't produce second hand smoke that I have to breathe. That's the central issue here.

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I'm definitely over it after all this time I just think that if you're gonna ban something. Ban it all the way and force us to quit the habit. Instead there is a ban yet it's still I'm sure one of America's profitable ventures, ya know. Same with gun control nowadays.

I understand you guys stance on it. There just could have been ways to implement it where both parties are satisfied. Like giving owners the right to allow it at they're establishment if they so choose. Instead you guys got what you want and I'm literally left out in the cold. Lol.