Ebola

[legendkiller5]

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I've said it before, and I'm going to say it again.

The illness itself doesn't scare me as much as the people who are supposedly 'in charge' and the people who come into contact with it.

Lack of awareness.
Lack of common sense.
Lack of concern for others.

[SPTO]

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Semi-on topic

I mean don't you see overweight doctors and people who work at health facilities? You would think they would want to take better care of their bodies seeing all these people come in with health issues.

Well, i've heard that is more due to working crazy hours (this is more so hospital/ER doctors) so that can be pretty understandable. The stress of the job is such that it's hard to live the most diligent of lifestyles.

A travel ban is not enough. Anyone coming from affected countries shouldn't be allowed to board a plane with a final stop in the United States.

I used to be hesitant on a travel ban but i'm on your side right now. We need to contain this at the source (and elsewhere) because as it is right now, too many people are slipping through the cracks.

[bad_philanthropy]

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There is a shocking absence of concern for others and callousness in this whole thing on the part of the doctor, and a demonstration of nonexistent protocol from health officials.

For one, the guy knows he lives in one of the most densely populated cities in the world, he is a medical doctor, and he has been to West Africa to treat ebola, and yet his precautions of "self-monitoring" are nothing more if you or I woke up with a fever and called the time leading up to it "self-monitoring." That during his "self-monitoring" of a potential hemorrhagic fever infection he saw fit to interact with loved ones, and then the public through the use of mass transit and beyond is really only less astonishing than the absence of protocols by health officials to ensure this doesn't occur.

This isn't really a matter of poor policy resulting in this doctor returning home on a plane, but rather poor policy due to an idiotic and senseless lack of respect for the public, and the complete lack of imagination in planning—that I mentioned earlier in the thread—by officials charged with keeping the public safe. This isn't a political statement or a agenda-driven—we've just seen this lack of imagination in planning to keep the public safe countless times. Be it with Katrina, the 2008 financial crisis, or just about anything else where some sound foresight, and brainstorming may have averted a problematic outcomes. Seems things always happen, and the line we get is "We could have prevented this, but there was simply a failure in this regard. We apologize."

Returning from West Africa after treating ebola as a brave humanitarian? Thank you. You're a hero. Have a fever? No? Ok, get on the plane and come home where you will be placed in isolation at a facility located at Emory University Hospital until the potential incubation period of ebola concludes, and your blood sample is clean. After this time you may return home and to regular public life.

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Great post bad_p.

All this stuff continues to go on, and all we get is this...

[aholbert32]

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A travel ban is not enough. Anyone coming from affected countries shouldn't be allowed to board a plane with a final stop in the United States.

Completely unrealistic though and makes it more difficult to track. What will happen is people will travel to a european or south american country that still allows travel. Wait a few days and then fly into the US. They will completely avoid the screening. Anyone who has been through customs knows that customs agents arent that thorough about tracking the countries people have been to previously. They typically are only concerned with the country youve just flown in from.

Also, we are still talking about 4 people right? Just 4, right? Only 2 of them actually came from Africa. Ebola is a very serious disease so I understand the concern but a travel ban? ****, we lost 12k US citizens because of the 2009 swine/H1NI flu which originated in Asia and I dont remember anyone saying we should do a travel ban then.

[daflyboys]

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A travel ban is not enough. Anyone coming from affected countries shouldn't be allowed to board a plane with a final stop in the United States.

I don't know about countries other than Liberia, but it's my understanding that all countries surrounding Liberia have banned anyone coming in from there. Of course, we don't.

Completely unrealistic though and makes it more difficult to track. What will happen is people will travel to a european or south american country that still allows travel. Wait a few days and then fly into the US. They will completely avoid the screening. Anyone who has been through customs knows that customs agents arent that thorough about tracking the countries people have been to previously. They typically are only concerned with the country youve just flown in from.

Also, we are still talking about 4 people right? Just 4, right? Only 2 of them actually came from Africa. Ebola is a very serious disease so I understand the concern but a travel ban? ****, we lost 12k US citizens because of the 2009 swine/H1NI flu which originated in Asia and I dont remember anyone saying we should do a travel ban then.

It's not unrealistic. We've imposed bans. It's been done. And what has this current "strategy" done to "track" this NY doctor who has now encountered God knows how many people along the way? Feeling confident in this "plan". Then go ahead and go bowling at the same lanes he did. Picking out a bowling ball is like playing Russian roulette.

[wwharton]

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Completely unrealistic though and makes it more difficult to track. What will happen is people will travel to a european or south american country that still allows travel. Wait a few days and then fly into the US. They will completely avoid the screening. Anyone who has been through customs knows that customs agents arent that thorough about tracking the countries people have been to previously. They typically are only concerned with the country youve just flown in from.

Also, we are still talking about 4 people right? Just 4, right? Only 2 of them actually came from Africa. Ebola is a very serious disease so I understand the concern but a travel ban? ****, we lost 12k US citizens because of the 2009 swine/H1NI flu which originated in Asia and I dont remember anyone saying we should do a travel ban then.

I also don't like the thought that we're so special that the rest of the world can freely get infected but none of you are allowed in our country. So you may say everyone should have a travel ban... world just can't work that way. A lot of travel isn't just recreational.

[wwharton]

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It's not unrealistic. We've imposed bans. It's been done. And what has this current "strategy" done to "track" this NY doctor who has now encountered God knows how many people along the way? Feeling confident in this "plan". Then go ahead and go bowling at the same lanes he did. Picking out a bowling ball is like playing Russian roulette.

Bowling balls will cause nightmares for the people already worried, but IF it was spread that would be the least of worries. This is NYC we're talking about... Manhattan and Brooklyn. Subways and taxis, and that's just what HE touched. If there is to be an explosion, Manhattan is where it can happen.

Personally I'm still not freaking out about this, but definitely keeping an eye on NY.

[daflyboys]

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I also don't like the thought that we're so special that the rest of the world can freely get infected but none of you are allowed in our country. So you may say everyone should have a travel ban... world just can't work that way. A lot of travel isn't just recreational.

It's not about being "special" or being "arrogant Americans". It's just common sense. The rest of the world is not taking that tactic. Americans have to stop painting America as the big bad guy. And I understand that travel isn't just recreational, but there is much more we can do indirectly/virtually/electronically, etc. I hope my signature is making more sense now.

Ebola Travel Bans Enacted by Nearly 30 Countries, but Not US

[aholbert32]

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I don't know about countries other than Liberia, but it's my understanding that all countries surrounding Liberia have banned anyone coming in from there. Of course, we don't.



It's not unrealistic. We've imposed bans. It's been done. And what has this current "strategy" done to "track" this NY doctor who has now encountered God knows how many people along the way? Feeling confident in this "plan". Then go ahead and go bowling at the same lanes he did. Picking out a bowling ball is like playing Russian roulette.

Not one European country has issued a travel ban. Only one "first world" country has initiated a travel ban.

When have we imposed a travel ban because of a disease that killed one person and infected 3 others? Ive never seen a ban for a disease thats affected this few people in the US.

[aholbert32]

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It's not about being "special" or being "arrogant Americans". It's just common sense. The rest of the world is not taking that tactic. Americans have to stop painting America as the big bad guy. And I understand that travel isn't just recreational, but there is much more we can do indirectly/virtually/electronically, etc. I hope my signature is making more sense now.

Ebola Travel Bans Enacted by Nearly 30 Countries, but Not US

The "rest of the world"? Word? Thats 30 countries and almost all of them are in Africa. The reason for the ban is those countries dont have the resources to handle ebola patients so they take the approach to limit travel.

There are actually more than 30 who have either a full or temp travel ban and they are all countries that lack resources (all of them are african/south american/Caribbean countries). Thats not the case in the US.

[daflyboys]

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The "rest of the world"? Word? Thats 30 countries and almost all of them are in Africa. The reason for the ban is those countries dont have the resources to handle ebola patients so they take the approach to limit travel.

There are actually more than 30 who have either a full or temp travel ban and they are all countries that lack resources (all of them are african/south american/Caribbean countries). Thats not the case in the US.

Whatever the number is, there's no cure for ebola currently so NO ONE has the resources to handle ebola patients fully.

Look...if you know the neighbor kids have the flu, do you readily invite them into your house regardless? No. You tell them to wait until things are cleared up.

Also, Frieden needs to go (maybe he can get a job running the VA Hospital) and we don't need anymore czars, God knows.

[TheMatrix31]

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We should ban it even if we have the resources to handle it. Let's make sure it doesn't come in so we don't have to use the resources.

Not just a travel ban. A visa ban. If you're starting out from any afflicted country, you can't come back until 21 days are gone. If you're a humanitarian worker, great, God bless you. You're not allowed to come back until 21 days are over. If you're gonna lie to circumvent, then you're the piece of ****, not the ban.

The goal is to make sure it DOESN'T break out in America. Not to sit back and only enact a ban once it's too late. America shouldn't have third world diseases. Simple as that. Send all the resources and money and aid you want to help them out. Don't bring that **** here.

I'm not worried about offending anybody. I'm worried about doing whatever it takes to protect people in this country. This stupid ****ing piece of **** doctor comes back and spreads his bull**** across subways and bowling alleys and God-knows-what-else. It's gonna be a miracle if nobody else gets sick.

[cavsfan2]

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That doctor really is an arrogant prick. "Self monitoring"? While bowling and taking the subway? Give me a ****ing break.

And I don't see how we would be arrogant to enact a travel ban? What, since the rest of the world is suffering we're obligated to join in? **** that.

[daflyboys]

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I don't think if you would circumvent a ban you're necessarily a piece of **** as people have different motivations. But you are then a criminal and should be handled as such..... just as if someone knowingly with HIV attempts to infect another person via sex, drugs or what have you.

As far as the doctor? The NY med board really needs to take a look at suspending or removing his license.