Ebola

[Brandon13]

Re: Ebola

What's the mortality rate of this ebola strain in the West, and being treated in a timely fashion by Western standards(ie not the patient zero guy in the Texas)?

Just the US and not the entirety of the West, but so far everyone here except Duncan has survived.

“An Ebola diagnosis need not be a death sentence,” Paul Farmer, an infectious disease specialist at Harvard, wrote in an influential essay for the London Review of Books. “If patients are promptly diagnosed and receive aggressive supportive care—including fluid resuscitation, electrolyte replacement and blood products—the great majority, as many as 90 percent should survive.”

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[8]

Re: Ebola

Now a possible case in North Carolina. Person from or coming from Liberia being held and tested at duke.

[Candyman5]

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Do you guys hear yourselves?

"Lack of foresight or caring" to describe the people willing to put their lives at risk to save others lives? The work these people do will go a lot farther to stopping an epidemic than any of the quarantining many of you want. Criticize the idiot doctor hoping on subways and in cabs AFTER showing symptoms all you want. But in general, I think these people deserve a little more respect.

I may sound like a bit of a *** when I say this but I dont care. Good for the volunteers who go over there (Or anywhere) and help out with diseases and such however if they pose a threat to people in the US when they come back then they need to just be quiet and do it. It was their choice to go over and help and just because they choose to do so doesnt mean that I or anyone else over here should be at risk (Rather how small) of catching something because of their decision.

I know I am probably going to get flamed for me stating this but its how I feel. Do I believe they should get compensated for the time they miss while quarantined, to a extent yes.

Do I believe they should be aloud to do what they like freely when they get back during the time frame of contagiousness. No.

[Brandon13]

Re: Ebola

What is your opinion of the settlement that was ultimately reached between the nurse and the state of Maine?

Nurse Kaci Hickox and the state of Maine reached a settlement Monday over its efforts to restrict her movements since she arrived in Fort Kent last week after treating Ebola patients in West Africa.

The two sides agreed to abide by the restrictions set by a District Court judge on Friday that Hickox will submit to [Direct Active Monitoring] of her health, inform state health officials if she travels to ensure uninterrupted monitoring, and keep officials apprised if her health changes [and follow their instructions should she begin to display symptoms]. Those restrictions were to be temporary until a full hearing in court in Bangor on Tuesday.

http://www.pressherald.com/2014/11/0...in-ebola-case/

Edit: Figured I needed to link to the actual orders (from the 10/31 hearing) that she agreed to abide by in the settlement: http://www.courts.maine.gov/news_ref...ng_hearing.pdf

Edit2: Link to CDC's explanation of what "Direct Active Monitoring" entails: http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/pdf/mon...d-movement.pdf

[Fresh Tendrils]

Re: Ebola

I may sound like a bit of a *** when I say this but I dont care. Good for the volunteers who go over there (Or anywhere) and help out with diseases and such however if they pose a threat to people in the US when they come back then they need to just be quiet and do it. It was their choice to go over and help and just because they choose to do so doesnt mean that I or anyone else over here should be at risk (Rather how small) of catching something because of their decision.

Its life, man. There are risks around every corner every day of your life. Except once you give something a name and enough attention people start to (over) react in various ways. The fact is we have been handling this without going on lockdown. Involuntarily containing someone who *may* end up showing symptoms is reaching too far and is unnecessary. We're either a first world country and major world player in regards to medicine and technolgy or we aren't. We can't have it both ways.

Do I believe they should get compensated for the time they miss while quarantined, to a extent yes.

To an extent? C'mon. You can't expect people to be quarantined and not be compensated for lost time. FMLA would excuse the time off, but I doubt a majority of the population would be able to financially make it not being able to work for 21 days.

Do I believe they should be aloud to do what they like freely when they get back during the time frame of contagiousness. No.

I know "Land of the Free" is mostly illusory, but stripping peoples freedoms away for "national security" or the "greater good" is bologna to me.

[OSUFan_88]

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Its life, man. There are risks around every corner every day of your life. Except once you give something a name and enough attention people start to (over) react in various ways. The fact is we have been handling this without going on lockdown. Involuntarily containing someone who *may* end up showing symptoms is reaching too far and is unnecessary. We're either a first world country and major world player in regards to medicine and technolgy or we aren't. We can't have it both ways

Just so we are clear, being a major world player in medicine is exactly what they are doing right now.

It's why there are putting people into quarantine rather than letting them run free.

[Fresh Tendrils]

Re: Ebola

Just so we are clear, being a major world player in medicine is exactly what they are doing right now.

It's why there are putting people into quarantine rather than letting them run free.

Which I have no problem with if they are legitimately a risk and not just a case of the maybes.

[Kearnzo]

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So weird seeing Maine in the news like this. I was born in and currently reside in Bangor, and some people have been seriously freaking out about the whole situation, even though Fort Kent isn't really THAT close. Kind of surreal.

I'll keep my opinions on the matter to myself, but this story has been a big deal around here the last couple weeks.

[Brandon13]

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Just so we are clear, being a major world player in medicine is exactly what they are doing right now.

It's why there are putting people into quarantine rather than letting them run free.

I'm just curious, but are you agreeable to the settlement that was reached between the nurse and the state of Maine? Or do you think it is not far reaching enough?

[countryboy]

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Which I have no problem with if they are legitimately a risk and not just a case of the maybes.

But it can take up to 21 days for symptoms to appear. So if we wait for someone to show signs of Ebola, before putting them in quarantine, it could be too late.

Look, there is no "right" answer to this question or "right" way of handling this. And I understand that there are other diseases that are out there that are just as scary/deadly, if not more. But, we have a way of "controlling" this disease to an extent, so why no do so to prevent something terrible from happening???

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[Bruins]

Re: Ebola

But it can take up to 21 days for symptoms to appear. So if we wait for someone to show signs of Ebola, before putting them in quarantine, it could be too late.

No it's not. Someone with no symptoms is not contagious.

[countryboy]

Re: Ebola

No it's not. Someone with no symptoms is not contagious.

http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/Ebola/symptoms/index.html

Signs and Symptoms





Symptoms of Ebola include
•Fever
•Severe headache
•Muscle pain
•Weakness
•Fatigue
•Diarrhea
•Vomiting
•Abdominal (stomach) pain
•Unexplained hemorrhage (bleeding or bruising)

Symptoms may appear anywhere from 2 to 21 days after exposure to Ebola, but the average is 8 to 10 days.

Recovery from Ebola depends on good supportive clinical care and the patient’s immune response. People who recover from Ebola infection develop antibodies that last for at least 10 years.

[Brandon13]

Re: Ebola

But it can take up to 21 days for symptoms to appear. So if we wait for someone to show signs of Ebola, before putting them in quarantine, it could be too late.

But if there is active monitoring of the individual throughout that twenty-one day period, that asymptomatic individual effectively poses no greater risk to the public mingling amongst them as he would have by simply staying away from them altogether.

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[Brandon13]

Re: Ebola

http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/Ebola/symptoms/index.html

And if the individual is being actively monitored they'll be in a hospital by the time those symptoms begin to manifest.

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[Bruins]

Re: Ebola

http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/Ebola/symptoms/index.html

Read what I said again.