Ebola

[aholbert32]

Re: Ebola

Whatever the number is, there's no cure for ebola currently so NO ONE [/B]has the resources to handle ebola patients fully.

Look...if you know the neighbor kids have the flu, do you readily invite them into your house regardless? No. You tell them to wait until things are cleared up.

Also, Frieden needs to go (maybe he can get a job running the VA Hospital) and we don't need anymore czars, God knows.

Hmm...well the two doctors who originally went to Emory had Ebola and are now 100% healthy. The nurse in Dallas who contracted it a few weeks ago was declared ebola free today.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/24/obama-to-meet-with-ebola-_n_6042734.html

As for your flu analogy, that doesnt work. A accurate analogy would be I hear the neighbor's kids attend a school that has a flu outbreak, I have no evidence that the neighbor's kids have the flu and I ban them from coming to my house strictly because they go to a school that had a flu outbreak.

[aholbert32]

Re: Ebola

We should ban it even if we have the resources to handle it. Let's make sure it doesn't come in so we don't have to use the resources.

Not just a travel ban. A visa ban. If you're starting out from any afflicted country, you can't come back until 21 days are gone. If you're a humanitarian worker, great, God bless you. You're not allowed to come back until 21 days are over. If you're gonna lie to circumvent, then you're the piece of ****, not the ban.

The goal is to make sure it DOESN'T break out in America. Not to sit back and only enact a ban once it's too late. America shouldn't have third world diseases. Simple as that. Send all the resources and money and aid you want to help them out. Don't bring that **** here.

I'm not worried about offending anybody. I'm worried about doing whatever it takes to protect people in this country. This stupid ****ing piece of **** doctor comes back and spreads his bull**** across subways and bowling alleys and God-knows-what-else. It's gonna be a miracle if nobody else gets sick.

Who gives a **** about offending people? Nobody cares about that. I just dont believe a travel ban is a sufficient way to stop this from spreading and leads to situations where its even more difficult to track if people have been in contact with people with Ebola. The screening process needs to be improved but not scrapped.

Jesus, the press has you guys all ****ed up. Its 4 ****ing people. Only 1 died and he started treatment very late. There are tens of other viruses that have killed hundreds/thousands more in this country than Ebola and we never even considered a travel ban.

[SPTO]

Re: Ebola

Hmm...well the two doctors who originally went to Emory had Ebola and are now 100% healthy. The nurse in Dallas who contracted it a few weeks ago was declared ebola free today.

I think he means there's no readily available cure. What they're using are a cocktail of various experimental medicines that are very low in quantity. I've moved over to the travel ban side of things HOWEVER, after sleeping on it I do think that a highly monitored transport with medical professionals going straight to Emory (or any other hospital that has all the facilities) is a good idea IF they have everything in order.

[aholbert32]

Re: Ebola

I think he means there's no readily available cure. What they're using are a cocktail of various experimental medicines that are very low in quantity. I've moved over to the travel ban side of things HOWEVER, after sleeping on it I do think that a highly monitored transport with medical professionals going straight to Emory (or any other hospital that has all the facilities) is a good idea IF they have everything in order.

Are u suggesting this for every person who travels from African countries affected with Ebola?

[daflyboys]

Re: Ebola

Hmm...well the two doctors who originally went to Emory had Ebola and are now 100% healthy. The nurse in Dallas who contracted it a few weeks ago was declared ebola free today.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/24/obama-to-meet-with-ebola-_n_6042734.html

As for your flu analogy, that doesnt work. A accurate analogy would be I hear the neighbor's kids attend a school that has a flu outbreak, I have no evidence that the neighbor's kids have the flu and I ban them from coming to my house strictly because they go to a school that had a flu outbreak.

So you're willing to take the chance that if you come into this country with ebola and there is a possibility that it can be spread to others that we'll be able to treat and save every one of those people? It's already failed in Texas. The analogy was fine.... you get the picture.

Who gives a **** about offending people? Nobody cares about that. I just dont believe a travel ban is a sufficient way to stop this from spreading and leads to situations where its even more difficult to track if people have been in contact with people with Ebola. The screening process needs to be improved but not scrapped.

Jesus, the press has you guys all ****ed up. Its 4 ****ing people. Only 1 died and he started treatment very late. There are tens of other viruses that have killed hundreds/thousands more in this country than Ebola and we never even considered a travel ban.

Who gives a **** about offending people? Apparently you're not watching enough BSNBC. Their talking heads are all over the "we are keeping people from coming here because it's about race". I'm not saying it. They are. So it's been political almost from the get go. Most Americans want the travel ban....so of course that means we're not going to get it until certain people are forced into reactiving (again) instead of being proactive.

[SPTO]

Re: Ebola

Are u suggesting this for every person who travels from African countries affected with Ebola?

Those who have Ebola or very definite signs of it, yes. You could use military transports. I believe there are some helicopters and planes that could fit a lot of people. It would be a bit arduous but at the very least they won't be mingling with the general population.

I"m also not saying this should be done in one shot either but rather in rounds. Have medical personnel in West Africa treating it there and those who are deemed able to travel to get treatment in the US will go.

[aholbert32]

Re: Ebola

So you're willing to take the chance that if you come into this country with ebola and there is a possibility that it can be spread to others that we'll be able to treat and save every one of those people? It's already failed in Texas. The analogy was fine.... you get the picture.



Who gives a **** about offending people? Apparently you're not watching enough BSNBC. Their talking heads are all over the "we are keeping people from coming here because it's about race". I'm not saying it. They are. So it's been political almost from the get go. Most Americans want the travel ban....so of course that means we're not going to get it until certain people are forced into reactiving (again) instead of being proactive.

My question is why doesnt it apply to other viruses. Where was the uproar in 2009 when swine flu killed 12k people in the US? Oh and that virus was actually airborne.

You analogy was ****ty because it oversimplified the issue.

Lets not get political. Thats against the TOS here. I think most people here are right minded enough not to get riled up over what talking heads say on MSNBC or Fox News.

Most americans want the travel ban because they dont truly understand its ramifications and are freaked out because the press is running wild with 4 people catching the disease.

[TheMatrix31]

Re: Ebola

Who gives a **** about offending people? Nobody cares about that. I just dont believe a travel ban is a sufficient way to stop this from spreading and leads to situations where its even more difficult to track if people have been in contact with people with Ebola. The screening process needs to be improved but not scrapped.

Jesus, the press has you guys all ****ed up. Its 4 ****ing people. Only 1 died and he started treatment very late. There are tens of other viruses that have killed hundreds/thousands more in this country than Ebola and we never even considered a travel ban.

The press has done nothing to me, lol.

I'm just as in favor of strict measures to stop this enterovirus bull**** too, though that's not from abroad (as far as we know, I guess).

I don't trust "tracking" people or screening them, because as we've seen, the CDC and NIH and these hospital workers and doctors aren't exactly acting responsibly or competently.

My point is that you can't just be like "oh well, it's only 4 people. Let's hope it stops there."

[daflyboys]

Re: Ebola

My question is why doesnt it apply to other viruses. Where was the uproar in 2009 when swine flu killed 12k people in the US? Oh and that virus was actually airborne.

You analogy was ****ty because it oversimplified the issue.

Lets not get political. Thats against the TOS here. I think most people here are right minded enough not to get riled up over what talking heads say on MSNBC or Fox News.

Most americans want the travel ban because they dont truly understand its ramifications and are freaked out because the press is running wild with 4 people catching the disease.

Can't not get political. Political people are involved in the decisions affecting our very lives. The arrogance and stupidity is overwhelming. We have an "Ebola Czar" who is not medically trained. And we have a Chief NBC Medical correspondent who went out for soup knowingly breaking the ban.

Swine flue apparently came in through Mexico in 09 and you know what the lack of border situation is there as well. Or am I getting too political again? Do you even think if we caught it in time we would have (finally) secured the border with Mexico? Not on your political life.

[aholbert32]

Re: Ebola

Can't not get political. Political people are involved in the decisions affecting our very lives. The arrogance and stupidity is overwhelming. We have an "Ebola Czar" who is not medically trained. And we have a Chief NBC Medical correspondent who went out for soup knowingly breaking the ban.

Swine flue apparently came in through Mexico in 09 and you know what the lack of border situation is there as well. Or am I getting too political again? Do you even think if we caught it in time we would have (finally) secured the border with Mexico? Not on your political life.

You cant get political at OS. If you do, you get banned. People here have found a way to discuss the issue without bringing in politics so you can do the same. Dont get banned.

[daflyboys]

Re: Ebola

You cant get political at OS. If you do, you get banned. People here have found a way to discuss the issue without bringing in politics so you can do the same. Dont get banned.

I'm not getting political. I'm saying that politics is involved. That's not disputable.

[TheMatrix31]

Re: Ebola

It's a little late for this but that's good. http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/10/...-ebola-threat/

[aholbert32]

Re: Ebola

I'm not getting political. I'm saying that politics is involved. That's not disputable.

Last time I'm gonna say this....dont discuss politics on OS. Find a way to make your point without discussing politics. Last warning.

[mike24forever]

Re: Ebola

How would you feel if you were the cab driver that drove him? I would be worried. I understand that it's not transmitable without symptoms being present, however it's still very scary.

On a side note, the first nurse who got Ebola is now Ebola free. It looks like the earlier it's caught, the higher the recovery rate! Hopefully, they can stop this at this doctor.

[wwharton]

Re: Ebola

It's not about being "special" or being "arrogant Americans". It's just common sense. The rest of the world is not taking that tactic. Americans have to stop painting America as the big bad guy. And I understand that travel isn't just recreational, but there is much more we can do indirectly/virtually/electronically, etc. I hope my signature is making more sense now.

Ebola Travel Bans Enacted by Nearly 30 Countries, but Not US

I agree with most of what Aaron already said so I won't repeat. But I think one thing he said "People don't understand the consequences of a travel ban" (or something like that) is about as true as can be.

But I do believe the idea that we shut down our borders for something like this is the type of arrogance that makes us look bad... correction, makes us bad period. No one is saying "bring us your ebola patience" but we need to just do a better job of containing and getting rid of this... nationally and globally. We are part of the world after all. It's not just about us.