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  • bkrich83
    Has Been
    • Jul 2002
    • 71582

    #241
    Re: The Death of Customer Service...

    Originally posted by Fresh Tendrils
    I had high expectations based on recommendations from this thread. Perhaps my bias is due in part to my hopes being lifted up by such lofty exclamations I've read in here. Due to these reasons I was left unfulfilled and, to be frank, really peeved by the lack of structure, high-quality professional photographs, and an overbearing sense of pompous nuttery.

    When I clicked on the link on page 8 (at 20 posts-per-page), post #118 I was surprised to see it load so quickly. I've never been on yelp.com before so it was brand-new to my CPU and my cache. Almost immediately my eyes are met with a bright-red header behind white font asking for me to sign-up or log-in. Frankly, I don't like to be rushed into decisions when visiting new pages so my anxiety is already starting up. The overall structure and form of the page is very sleek and refined. There are badges and tiny symbols scattered around the page, but no helpful legend to be found. Apparently the web designer missed that day of class. The page notes that these reviews "...go into detail others don't AND I usually provide pictures!" so I chose to believe him and press on despite these (literal) red flags already appearing.

    I typically do not comment on people's outward appearances, but the pictures chosen to represent the image of the Reviewer left me feeling uneasy. Why won't he look into the camera? What is he hiding? Why am I looking at the top of his forehead, the bottom of his left cheek, and not into his beady eyes? He's a self-proclaimed "Pizza nut" and I'm starting to believe him. Admittedly, the one positive to this is it leaves the Reader feeling invigorated with confidence which I am always happy with and appreciate the nice gesture from the Reviewer. In his personal statistics the Reviewer has 129 friends (I would have preferred an integer divisible by 5 or 2, but people are fickle and I cannot deduct too much for such negligence). His 949 photos to 309 reviews (at time of writing this article) puts his photo-to-review ratio at a little over 3 pictures per review which I find very promising for the prospects of his reviews.

    When you scroll down the page the ugly red header and profile information vanishes after the second review (more specifically the Bob Evan's Easter Dinner Review of 2017) which is a welcome feature as it removes needless clutter from the page. As such this allows the reader to focus solely on the reviews. And the reviews are fairly rewarding depending upon your reason for reading.

    Each review is presented in first-person narrative form. Many of them are modeled after the stream of consciousness narrative mode made famous by such masters of the craft as Faulkner, Woolf, and Alex of the infamous Analysis Assessment Anonymity Association. The Reviewer does his best to put the Reader into his shoes and mindset for each encounter. Still, I'm left with unanswered questions from each one that could have been avoided with more detail. Why get salad if you don't want salad? What other elaborate buffets have you eaten at (Little Tony's - 3/29/17)? What other platforms are you providing criticism upon and why aren't they linked or documented (Little Tony's - 4/11/17)? His compliments are often back-handed. While they remark positively with a typical good or the occasional GREAT or FANTASTIC they often give the impression that the Reviewer is uncomfortable giving glowing endorsements without some compromising stipulation. His 4/5/17 entry for Long John Silver's begins with the paradox "Food is fantastic (for fast food fish)" to which he never expounds upon this advancement in technology and instead laments on the negative impact of his previous visits. Even at 2 stars he doesn't refute the fact that he will be back. Because the fast food fish is fantastic...for fast food fish! Does that mean its in actuality terrible? Another open-ended question of a review.

    While his words provide little insight into the quality of food or service (but plenty of psychoanalytical fodder) surely his pictures would help matters? After all he has an average of 3.07 pictures per review. Despite such a high average some reviews contain no pictures whatsoever. Well. OKAY then! The pictures that are actually there are quite unprofessional. The framing and lighting are typically not flattering of the subject matter. Most of the food was either out of focus or greasy (I'm still unsure as of publication) and offer no additional insight to the Review's words. Some pictures are of half-eaten food while others are of literal holes in the ground! Disgusting. I had high hopes for these pictures, but this is a clear case of QUANTITY over QUALITY. Three pictures per review? I say three pictures too many!

    At worst the reviews read as arbitrary lamentations from a man with thinning hair who's only pleasure comes from the succinct snap of a cooked pepperoni in his mouth between globs of melted cheese and garlic seasoned dough. At best they're largely forgettable diaries pertaining to fast, greasy food and home services that we all take for granted on a daily basis.

    Overall I found the whole to be tasteless and immediately digestible which is good because I'd rather have this in my toilet than in my body whatsoever.

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    • DJ
      Hall Of Fame
      • Apr 2003
      • 17756

      #242
      Re: The Death of Customer Service...

      Originally posted by PVarck31
      My thoughts on the closing time thing. I worked in a pizza shop for five years off an on. I mostly delivered but also supervised sometimes.

      The owner, who was a pretty decent guy, except when he would take or make us take orders up until the the exact time the store closed or sometimes even 10-15 minutes after. When I delivered it pissed me off to no end to have to take 1-3 or so deliveries after we closed. Usually I worked from like 3-4pm until close which was 10pm M-Th and midnight on Fri-Sat. So by the time I got back to the shop and then had to do my end of shift stuff like cleaning and mopping I wouldn't get out till like 1am or later.

      It was nice to get that extra few bucks, but not sure it was worth my tiredness and gas money.

      As far as me patronizing restaurants near closing time, I usually don't do it. I like to make sure the store closes more than 10-15 minutes before I go in.

      Now if we are talking about an actual sit-down full service restaurant, then I won't go in anywhere after a half hour from closing. And even that I kinda feel guilty about.

      Only exception would probably be like a fast food drive thru. It takes like 2 minutes to make a value meal at McDonald's, so I don't think people there are getting all upset.
      I worked at a pizza restaurant, too, and man those last-minute delivery calls were the absolute worst. Sucked for the driver, the kitchen staff and management having to close the store up. Easily added an extra 60-plus minutes to your night.

      Some people would decide to not place an order when I'd tell them we were closing in 5 min., but others wouldn't care and ordered away.
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      • Boltman
        L.A. to S.D. to HI
        • Mar 2004
        • 18283

        #243
        Re: The Death of Customer Service...

        Originally posted by Fresh Tendrils
        I had high expectations based on recommendations from this thread. Perhaps my bias is due in part to my hopes being lifted up by such lofty exclamations I've read in here. Due to these reasons I was left unfulfilled and, to be frank, really peeved by the lack of structure, high-quality professional photographs, and an overbearing sense of pompous nuttery.

        When I clicked on the link on page 8 (at 20 posts-per-page), post #118 I was surprised to see it load so quickly. I've never been on yelp.com before so it was brand-new to my CPU and my cache. Almost immediately my eyes are met with a bright-red header behind white font asking for me to sign-up or log-in. Frankly, I don't like to be rushed into decisions when visiting new pages so my anxiety is already starting up. The overall structure and form of the page is very sleek and refined. There are badges and tiny symbols scattered around the page, but no helpful legend to be found. Apparently the web designer missed that day of class. The page notes that these reviews "...go into detail others don't AND I usually provide pictures!" so I chose to believe him and press on despite these (literal) red flags already appearing.

        I typically do not comment on people's outward appearances, but the pictures chosen to represent the image of the Reviewer left me feeling uneasy. Why won't he look into the camera? What is he hiding? Why am I looking at the top of his forehead, the bottom of his left cheek, and not into his beady eyes? He's a self-proclaimed "Pizza nut" and I'm starting to believe him. Admittedly, the one positive to this is it leaves the Reader feeling invigorated with confidence which I am always happy with and appreciate the nice gesture from the Reviewer. In his personal statistics the Reviewer has 129 friends (I would have preferred an integer divisible by 5 or 2, but people are fickle and I cannot deduct too much for such negligence). His 949 photos to 309 reviews (at time of writing this article) puts his photo-to-review ratio at a little over 3 pictures per review which I find very promising for the prospects of his reviews.

        When you scroll down the page the ugly red header and profile information vanishes after the second review (more specifically the Bob Evan's Easter Dinner Review of 2017) which is a welcome feature as it removes needless clutter from the page. As such this allows the reader to focus solely on the reviews. And the reviews are fairly rewarding depending upon your reason for reading.

        Each review is presented in first-person narrative form. Many of them are modeled after the stream of consciousness narrative mode made famous by such masters of the craft as Faulkner, Woolf, and Alex of the infamous Analysis Assessment Anonymity Association. The Reviewer does his best to put the Reader into his shoes and mindset for each encounter. Still, I'm left with unanswered questions from each one that could have been avoided with more detail. Why get salad if you don't want salad? What other elaborate buffets have you eaten at (Little Tony's - 3/29/17)? What other platforms are you providing criticism upon and why aren't they linked or documented (Little Tony's - 4/11/17)? His compliments are often back-handed. While they remark positively with a typical good or the occasional GREAT or FANTASTIC they often give the impression that the Reviewer is uncomfortable giving glowing endorsements without some compromising stipulation. His 4/5/17 entry for Long John Silver's begins with the paradox "Food is fantastic (for fast food fish)" to which he never expounds upon this advancement in technology and instead laments on the negative impact of his previous visits. Even at 2 stars he doesn't refute the fact that he will be back. Because the fast food fish is fantastic...for fast food fish! Does that mean its in actuality terrible? Another open-ended question of a review.

        While his words provide little insight into the quality of food or service (but plenty of psychoanalytical fodder) surely his pictures would help matters? After all he has an average of 3.07 pictures per review. Despite such a high average some reviews contain no pictures whatsoever. Well. OKAY then! The pictures that are actually there are quite unprofessional. The framing and lighting are typically not flattering of the subject matter. Most of the food was either out of focus or greasy (I'm still unsure as of publication) and offer no additional insight to the Review's words. Some pictures are of half-eaten food while others are of literal holes in the ground! Disgusting. I had high hopes for these pictures, but this is a clear case of QUANTITY over QUALITY. Three pictures per review? I say three pictures too many!

        At worst the reviews read as arbitrary lamentations from a man with thinning hair who's only pleasure comes from the succinct snap of a cooked pepperoni in his mouth between globs of melted cheese and garlic seasoned dough. At best they're largely forgettable diaries pertaining to fast, greasy food and home services that we all take for granted on a daily basis.

        Overall I found the whole to be tasteless and immediately digestible which is good because I'd rather have this in my toilet than in my body whatsoever.

        2.5/5 Cackles.
        34 likes (and still climbing I'm sure).

        This post always needs a refresher bump for its greatness.

        So well crafted, it's like reading art.

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        • p_rushing
          Hall Of Fame
          • Feb 2004
          • 14514

          #244
          Re: The Death of Customer Service...

          I treat closing time as the time you have to leave at. If you come in 5 mins before fine, but you only get 5 minutes of service and you won't be getting anything cooked.

          Some places are fine with you staying, others aren't. Other than fast food, I never go somewhere if they don't have enough time before closing to make the food.

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          • p_rushing
            Hall Of Fame
            • Feb 2004
            • 14514

            #245
            Re: The Death of Customer Service...

            Originally posted by daflyboys
            Well, we came back this week from a long weekend near Atlanta for some R&R and to see some family. We used Advantage car rental. My wife was amazing in making all the arrangements ahead of time. I was so relieved to look at the next to nothing line at their counter compared to Hertz, which looked like a nightmare. The guy helping us couldn't have been nicer and later I actually complimented him on his voice, saying he should be doing voice overs.

            Along the way, and he primarily dealt with my wife since she had to do the driving or can get car sick, he asked her if we wanted insurance. We clearly told him "no" as our USAA company covers us for rentals. I think he rephrased and we were clear that we did not want insurance. I then recall him saying, "ok, you want the minimum then".

            Now....in the context of that conversation, wouldn't anyone conclude "the minimum" would basically mean what they normally place on the car when a customer says "no, we have our own insurance" which should not incur any additional or hidden fee? Well, sure enough, when we turned the car in 3 days later, we discover that we were assessed an additional $105-ish dollars, with the check in agent showing my wife she initialed a section apparently having to do with insurance.

            Now you've all seen these forms. They are long and drawn out. We are traveling. We were tired and we were clear that we did not want insurance.

            Therefore, the conclusion we had to come to is we were played. It seems like the company is named "Advantage" because that's exactly what they take..... advantage.... of you! She called customer service on Monday, but of course we are now in a waiting game for approval from whatever Manny, Mo or Jack has to look at this.

            We decided that if we don't get a favorable decision, we are not going to let this one rest. Partially because we don't know how many car rental companies engage in possibly the same practice throughout the country. We will talk to our congressman, the BBB and whatever other entity seems necessary.
            You got taken advantage of by the employee. I would call the manager of the location to talk to them about the employee, if you have the name even better. I would then send an email to the office of the President, CEO, etc. You should be able to find an email address online.

            Also try tweeting them about their lying rep who tricked you into paying for insurance.


            They get incentives to sell the add-ons, so while it is your fault, you should fight it.

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            • countryboy
              Growing pains
              • Sep 2003
              • 52759

              #246
              Re: The Death of Customer Service...

              A local pizza place here will close the dining room one hour prior to closing time and will stop taking phone orders 30 minutes before closing.
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              • Watson
                Burrow Club
                • Jul 2008
                • 27013

                #247
                Re: The Death of Customer Service...

                As many of you who follow me on Twitter know, Tuesday night is Sports Trivia night at Pluckers for me and my clique and has been for a few years now. We always had the same waitress and it got to the point where there were a couple of weeks she didn't even take our order, she just came out with food. I got 10 Dr. Pepper wings extra wet side of cajun fries, Zach got 10 medium wings side of fries, Robi got 10 garlic parm side of cajun fries, Marq got a boneless basket half Dr. Pepper half Ginger Peach Srirachi siracha side of holy mac, everything was just as we usually order. In addition to that she was super outgoing and despite not knowing dick for sports, we'd (our group, not I [although I wouldn't kick her out for eating crackers]) always ended up striking conversations about everything. It got to the point where most of us friended her on social media.

                But she was also dealing with some bad ****. Can't say she was addicted to marijuana or it was a gateway drug but all of her free time was spent getting high. Her circle of friends stopped hanging out with her and her new friends were truly addicts and with that came a new boyfriend that basically neglected her unless he was in a squeeze. Things got bad for her and she ended up in rehab and when she came back Pluckers didn't want her back. So she ended getting a job elsewhere and actually went back to school.

                All that's great and I'm glad she's doing good but man...

                I'd be lying if I didn't say that going from a waitress that knows your name and order by heart to just an average server (or even a below average one that is a straight up *******) it kinda sours the experience. Every week is feels like something is missing from our trivia experience.
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                • TheShizNo1
                  Asst 2 the Comm Manager
                  • Mar 2007
                  • 26341

                  #248
                  Re: The Death of Customer Service...

                  Originally posted by countryboy
                  A local pizza place here will close the dining room one hour prior to closing time and will stop taking phone orders 30 minutes before closing.
                  When I closed, I'd tell people that called fifteen minutes before closing that the driver got a flat tire.
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                  • woodjer
                    MVP
                    • Mar 2003
                    • 1196

                    #249
                    Re: The Death of Customer Service...

                    On the closing time issue:

                    My own "policy" from the customer standpoint is to come in with a smile, acknowledge that I know it's close to closing time, and ask if it's too late to place an order. I've never had anyone say that it was but I try to proceed based on the tone. If they are clearly exhausted, I will find some way to just leave but 9 times out of 10, I get a friendly response so I'll go ahead and order. I also make it a point to give them an extra "you rock" or something to acknowledge the situation a bit more. If I know that they may have put just something away, I'll try to adjust my order for what is readily available. All of this is for "fast food" types of places though...

                    As others have mentioned, I take a very different approach to a sit-down place. Most of the time, I'll avoid going in at closing. If I absolutely have to, I'll try to place a to-go order and will ask what's quick or easy or on-hand. Actually, in my area, a lot of sit-down places have adopted a policy that any order less than X minutes (usually 15-30) before closing needs to be to-go. It's usually pretty well posted and they always say something when the customer comes in within that window. I've seen people walk out but never anybody that gets too upset about it.
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                    • GAMEC0CK2002
                      Stayin Alive
                      • Aug 2002
                      • 10384

                      #250
                      Re: The Death of Customer Service...

                      Well, I was "that" guy last week. I needed a bag of sand for my students' 9 week projects. Got to the store at 5:59 when they close at 6.
                      They were at the point of letting people out 1 at a time, locking the door behind each. The guy at the door pointed to his watch while I had my hands up outside. A guy at the register told him to let me come on in. I was in and out in less than 3 minutes.

                      I didn't feel like a douche for 2 reasons: 1) It wasn't for me.
                      2) I called ahead of time saying I would be there right at closing.

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                      • kehlis
                        Moderator
                        • Jul 2008
                        • 27738

                        #251
                        Re: The Death of Customer Service...

                        Originally posted by GAMEC0CK2002
                        Well, I was "that" guy last week. I needed a bag of sand for my students' 9 week projects. Got to the store at 5:59 when they close at 6.
                        They were at the point of letting people out 1 at a time, locking the door behind each. The guy at the door pointed to his watch while I had my hands up outside. A guy at the register told him to let me come on in. I was in and out in less than 3 minutes.

                        I didn't feel like a douche for 2 reasons: 1) It wasn't for me.
                        2) I called ahead of time saying I would be there right at closing.
                        I don't think anyone is talking about something like that, they are talking about going to a restaurant of sorts where food might have to be prepped and then cooked right at closing. Not something where you just go in, grab what you need and leave.

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                        • TheShizNo1
                          Asst 2 the Comm Manager
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 26341

                          #252
                          Re: The Death of Customer Service...

                          Originally posted by GAMEC0CK2002
                          Well, I was "that" guy last week. I needed a bag of sand for my students' 9 week projects. Got to the store at 5:59 when they close at 6.
                          They were at the point of letting people out 1 at a time, locking the door behind each. The guy at the door pointed to his watch while I had my hands up outside. A guy at the register told him to let me come on in. I was in and out in less than 3 minutes.

                          I didn't feel like a douche for 2 reasons: 1) It wasn't for me.
                          2) I called ahead of time saying I would be there right at closing.
                          I'm more concerned with you waiting until the last minute as a teacher....

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                          Originally posted by Mo
                          Just once I'd like to be the one they call a jerk off.
                          Originally posted by Mo
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                          Originally posted by Mo
                          **** ya


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                          • DJ
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Apr 2003
                            • 17756

                            #253
                            Re: The Death of Customer Service...

                            Originally posted by GAMEC0CK2002
                            Well, I was "that" guy last week. I needed a bag of sand for my students' 9 week projects. Got to the store at 5:59 when they close at 6.
                            They were at the point of letting people out 1 at a time, locking the door behind each. The guy at the door pointed to his watch while I had my hands up outside. A guy at the register told him to let me come on in. I was in and out in less than 3 minutes.

                            I didn't feel like a douche for 2 reasons: 1) It wasn't for me.
                            2) I called ahead of time saying I would be there right at closing.
                            Originally posted by TheShizNo1
                            I'm more concerned with you waiting until the last minute as a teacher....

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                            Shiz would've told you to come on over to the store on the phone, and then refused to open the door when you showed up.
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                            • mgoblue
                              Go Wings!
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 25477

                              #254
                              Re: The Death of Customer Service...

                              Originally posted by kehlis
                              I don't think anyone is talking about something like that, they are talking about going to a restaurant of sorts where food might have to be prepped and then cooked right at closing. Not something where you just go in, grab what you need and leave.
                              They need a new way to explain open/closed then. Now I may not go to a restaurant unless it's more than 4 hours prior to closing or else i'll get spit/body hair in my food

                              IMO the closed time for a restaurant should bake in time to clean and close up after. Workers should know what's involved and when you'll get out.

                              I worked at a movie theater and we had to deal with this. We couldn't be little girls and close everything up early, we'd have to keep some popcorn areas open so people with late movies could buy stuff. Annoying, but if you're going to a movie you want popcorn.

                              That being said, I rarely/never go to a restaurant right before closing, so it's not really an issue for me.
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                              • DieHardYankee26
                                BING BONG
                                • Feb 2008
                                • 10178

                                #255
                                Re: The Death of Customer Service...

                                That doesn't seem the same. It would be the same if someone came in at closing and you had to stay, prepare the projector, open a new theater, and wait for them to finish watching it before you left.
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