Stick to Sports?

[DamnYanks2]

Re: Stick to Sports?

Oh the irony...

What are you implying?

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[Hassan Darkside]

Re: Stick to Sports?

What are you implying?

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The irony is that I posted information and rather than fact-check me, you immediately sided with your own limited personal experience over it.

That being said, it's possible both scenarios exist. The study is measuring education by academic achievement and comparing that across different spans of time. It's completely possible that someone with a masters degree in engineering couldn't tell you the three branches of government, but that doesn't mean they're stupid or anymore stupid than their parents at the same point of time in their lives.

[DamnYanks2]

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The irony is that I posted information and rather than fact-check me, you immediately sided with your own limited personal experience over it.

That being said, it's possible both scenarios exist. The study is measuring education by academic achievement and comparing that across different spans of time. It's completely possible that someone with a masters degree in engineering couldn't tell you the three branches of government, but that doesn't mean they're stupid or anymore stupid than their parents at the same point of time in their lives.

No, I read it, and if the world was like that Bloomberg article said, we'd be ok.

But it's so far off.

It's so blatantly obvious, I can't tell you how many people I've talked to that we're just so uneducated on basic geography or political points.

This doesn't mean these people are completely dumb, it just means they're gullible, and don't do their own research.

Facebook is the worst, and it really opened my eyes even more.

You'll see a political meme passed around with a supposed quote And the quote is 100% not true, but it's been shared and liked thousands of times.

That's just one example. I could give you a million.

Now I don't have a degree, I'm not a professor or teacher, but I don't believe all the bull**** that goes around, and I'm aware that most media is agenda driven, so I take everything with a grain of salt.





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[dsallupinyaarea]

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The term "politics" has become too broad. People lump matters of human decency into "politics" because calling it the former would require some self evaluation/soul searching. Much easier to just call it "politics", cover your ears and run away.


You don't see many, if any, athletics discussing budgets, foreign policy, taxes (outside of standard taxes suck), etc. Most of these stands are for what, in theory, should be pretty bipartisan stuff.


As an aside, if you've ever watched an NFL game you've been smacked over the head with Americana for 3+ hours. The "politics" have always been in your sports, you're just starting to hear the other side.

[Hooe]

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We don't tell actors to "stick to acting". We don't tell musicians and performing artists to "stick to music" (albeit music, particularly rock and roll, has long been used as a means of political expression, so perhaps people are conditioned to that). We don't tell game developers to "stick to video games".

Given that, I don't see how it is at all consistent that we demand sports figures to "stick to sports".

[Hassan Darkside]

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No, I read it, and if the world was like that Bloomberg article said, we'd be ok.

But it's so far off.

It's so blatantly obvious, I can't tell you how many people I've talked to that we're just so uneducated on basic geography or political points.

This doesn't mean these people are completely dumb, it just means they're gullible, and don't do their own research.

Facebook is the worst, and it really opened my eyes even more.

You'll see a political meme passed around with a supposed quote And the quote is 100% not true, but it's been shared and liked thousands of times.

That's just one example. I could give you a million.

Now I don't have a degree, I'm not a professor or teacher, but I don't believe all the bull**** that goes around, and I'm aware that most media is agenda driven, so I take everything with a grain of salt.





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What's so far off about it? And what leads you to believe that the generations before us were that much more intelligent as opposed to them just not having the means to put their stupidity on public display like we do.

[DamnYanks2]

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What's so far off about it? And what leads you to believe that the generations before us were that much more intelligent as opposed to them just not having the means to put their stupidity on public display like we do.

I don't, I'm just saying in general the masses aren't educated on important issues, and they don't research things properly.

Yea, we've come a long way from the days where what was written in the newspaper was the absolute gospel.

But is that really something to write home about?



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[PeoplesChampGB]

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We don't tell actors to "stick to acting". We don't tell musicians and performing artists to "stick to music" (albeit music, particularly rock and roll, has long been used as a means of political expression, so perhaps people are conditioned to that). We don't tell game developers to "stick to video games".

Given that, I don't see how it is at all consistent that we demand sports figures to "stick to sports".

But we should. I don't care about what they do in their personal time, but when I go to, let's say, The Terminator I don't want to hear a snide remark at a political candidate from either side. Just direct, act, and make a movie. If it is biographical, then of course, that would be different. Same with non-fiction novels.

Same with music.

Same with videogames.

Secondly, I don't see how a degree automatically makes you intelligent. If you want to cite credentials in a debate or argument, that is a very dangerous path to go down. Attack the argument or idea, not the credentials. If only people with credentials could speak about topics in their respective field, the world would be in a dark place.

The term "politics" has become too broad. People lump matters of human decency into "politics" because calling it the former would require some self evaluation/soul searching. Much easier to just call it "politics", cover your ears and run away.

If you are talking about social justice, it has everything to do with politics.

[Hooe]

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But we should. I don't care about what they do in their personal time, but when I go to, let's say, The Terminator I don't want to hear a snide remark at a political candidate from either side. Just direct, act, and make a movie. If it is biographical, then of course, that would be different. Same with non-fiction novels.

Same with music.

Same with videogames.

You do realize that Terminator 2 is a examination of destiny vs free will, a religious allegory, and also a critique of feminism and technocracy unchecked at the expense of humanity, no?

You also know even movies as stupid, vapid, and campy as RoboCop had very obvious political themes, including but not limited to the effect of media influence, unchecked capitalism, poverty, crime, and greed?

You did catch that popular video games such Spec Ops: The Line, Bioshock, and Bioshock Infinite also have very very obvious political messages in their single-player story-driven campaigns, no? Heck, the mere title of the most popular game in the world - Call Of Duty - is a very obviously politically-charged message.

The most interesting and compelling stories often are the ones which tackle open-ended political questions. Actors, directors, writers, game designers, and other artists of all types of media haven't been "sticking to movies / games / etc" for the longest time, they aren't now, and they won't in future.

[PeoplesChampGB]

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You do realize that Terminator 2 is a examination of destiny vs free will, a religious allegory, and also a critique of feminism and technocracy unchecked at the expense of humanity, no?

You also know even movies as stupid, vapid, and campy as RoboCop had very obvious political themes, including but not limited to the effect of media influence, unchecked capitalism, poverty, crime, and greed?

You did catch that popular video games such Spec Ops: The Line, Bioshock, and Bioshock Infinite also have very very obvious political messages in their single-player story-driven campaigns, no? Heck, the mere title of the most popular game in the world - Call Of Duty - is a very obviously politically-charged message.

The most interesting and compelling stories often are the ones which tackle open-ended political questions. Actors, directors, writers, game designers, and other artists of all haven't been "sticking to movies" for the longest time, they aren't now, and they won't in future.

Maybe, but I made a specific example above about what I do not want to see when I am watching a movie. General examples of ideas in politics such as capitalism, feminism etc. you cannot do without in a movie or videogame.

Heck, in Mario you could make the argument that the game is based on the more money you have the more mistakes you can make.

Of course, they have every right to under the first amendment. It is an art form. It is not like I am promoting censorship on those individuals. I would just rather pay some money to escape reality sometimes. Is that selfish of me? Yes, but in this particular instance I really don't care. This is just going on rambling now so to finish I would just say that fictional movies where ideals clash I don't have a problem with. It is when a fictional movie, game, etc. makes a snide remark about someone real in politics crosses the line with me.

[DamnYanks2]

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Ultimately Hassan Darkside, to answer your question. Players have every right to voice their political opinions. That is your right.

But I personally could care less what Lebron, Tom Brady or any other athletes have to say politically. And I try my best to tune it out, and watch them do what they do best.



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[bvb24]

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I'm fine with them expressing their opinion. I just hope they are prepared for follow up questions and possible repercussions. Also, if they don't have knowledge about an issue or topic it would best if they didn't say anything. I imagine some people look up to athletes and care what they think so if they spot off they could mislead people and do more harm than good.

[daflyboys]

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Pro sports athletes and the Hollywood crowd are given a unique platform that are not afforded to others. I don't think this makes them suddenly experts or should thrust them in the role of a pundit simply because they have this avenue. What will and probably already is happening with athletes has already happened with the Hollywood elite. "Common" people are growing tired of the proselytism and are thus ignoring and/or negating what is coming out of those circles. The NFL's rating were already supposedly hurt this past year from all of the social and political statements and symbolism that was promoted, though the NFL would never admit that.

Additionally, "common" people in regular jobs would oft times be suspended or terminated for engaging in similar activities in and about their places of employment.

[DieHardYankee26]

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I doubt there's anything other than anecdotal evidence linking the statements made to the loss of viewership. There's a million reasons people would stop watching football.

I also don't understand why people act like "don't talk about politics at work" is the 28th amendment, I talk about politics everyday at work. The rule as I've understood it has always really been "don't be an ******* getting into heated arguments in the office" and THAT is why people don't do it, they're incapable of civil discourse. And it clearly isn't a rule in the NFL/NBA so it isn't relevant in the first place.

[Trevytrev11]

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I have no issue with them speaking their mind and offering their view on whatever topics they want. The folks that follow them on social media, etc. probably want to know their views and to a degree may be influenced by them.

What bothers me is that when the media sensationalizes their views as if they have more merit that someone who is truly qualified to talk about the issue. In rare instances maybe this is the case, but if Tom Brady or LeBron James opinion on a topic is the only one a person has ever heard, I could see how they could be impacting those who are not educated on such topic and those folks taking the superstars word as the gospel. Kyrie's views on the shape of the earth could lead kids to blindly lose faith in what they are being taught in school for no other reason than their idol/hero said so. I'm not saying we should never question authority, but there should be ones own research behind it, not just the opinion of a professional athlete.

I'm sure there are athletes in every sport that are probably very qualified to speak on certain issues. These are the ones that should be answering these questions...not just the biggest stars.