Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me again

[dickey1331]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me agai

I don't know why EA would put scripting in the game. Are they trying to screw over people and give them one more thing to complain about?

I think it's just a few people that either lost and are mad or aren't very good and they want an excuse for the reason they are losing. If you play bad defense then the computer is going to score.

[boxers]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me agai

When people are conceding these goals, how long have they've been playing that day? 10mins? 1 hour? 2 hours? Because I definitely notice my play gets sloppy when I play for extended amounts of time.

I just scored 90 and 120 minute goals in Champions League on World Class against the likes of Barcelona and PSG. And I've been burned with late goals by low end clubs like Leicester. So what? It looks to me like you win some and you lose some. I think a lot of people are confusing pressure with scripting. Sorry to say guys, but the CPU amps up their play if they are losing. Tactics exist in this game and you can use them as well as the CPU. I'm constantly playing a much more attacking style if I'm behind in the last 20 minutes.

[xicpanad]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me agai

This morning I played a capital one cup match against Crystal Palace, using Barnsley.
I expected a dificult match so I played defensively and very patient, trying to keep the ball. The match went to extra time 0-0 and on the second half I won a penalty. Scored the first only to see Crystal Palace attacking like crazy and scoring the 1-1 on 120 mins. But after that, in the last play of the match, crystal palace got lazy and I made a through pass to leave my winger one on one with GK, and made it 2-1.

2 goals in the 120th minute. If the game is scripted, it has to be both ways.

[wordtobigbird]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me agai

This morning I played a capital one cup match against Crystal Palace, using Barnsley.
I expected a dificult match so I played defensively and very patient, trying to keep the ball. The match went to extra time 0-0 and on the second half I won a penalty. Scored the first only to see Crystal Palace attacking like crazy and scoring the 1-1 on 120 mins. But after that, in the last play of the match, crystal palace got lazy and I made a through pass to leave my winger one on one with GK, and made it 2-1.

2 goals in the 120th minute. If the game is scripted, it has to be both ways.

I score more extra time goals than the CPU.

[bibibanax]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me agai

Maybe it's more a question of strategy than scripting.

Friendlies in my career with Montreal

VS Hajer (poor team)

Adjusting to the new sliders, i took only a 2-1 lead at the 84th...tried to play more defensively...they score during extra time

VS universidad catolica (equal to me)...down 2-0 at half time...take the lead at the 88th... Tried to park the bus... They scored in extra time

Third game against Estoril...wow, what a game.... Excellent game... They scored in extra time (deserved goal, I made a big mistake in defense)

But...

They play defensively... Kick-off, pass to my LM, the defender gives me a highway, poor shot....Goal...

Will begin the season today, but don't know what to think...maybe I'll try to play normal all game

[xicpanad]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me agai

I started my carreer mode attacking on all my games. It started really good but all of a sudden it somehow changed. Now if I start attacking, they are waiting for me and the final third gets too many cpu players, so I can´t do much, and I´m constantly taking CPU counters. If I play balanced or even defensive, and then pass the ball around until CPU gets tired and starts coming up, trying to get the ball, I´ll have more space to explore in fast transition.

Thing is, I believe that oponent also plays according to your position in the league. In the first matches they were all over me but almost in half season and I´m happilly in the first place, and it seems the pretty much everybody starts defending against me, specially the lower table teams.

[wordtobigbird]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me agai

You guys have to be careful about parking the bus or playing extra defensively. Your defenders will back up very deep and you can give up goals if you just let the CPU attack , attack attack. Youre better off playing keep away with the ball. They can't score if they don't have the ball. If park it your back 4 moves into the penalty box and gives the whole field up so you have to play SUPER conservative defensively to not give any open space. I give up goals playing conservatively but it's harder for them to score those quick counter attack goals and thats the point. You cant put it on defensive and just give up the ball. They won't play better defense or anything, they will just line up deeper.

Honestly, I win more games when I don't lay off the gas and keep the ball and keep trying to score. As long as Id on't give a stupid turnover. It depends on who i'm playing. Just beat Chelsea 1-0 with QPR by playing keep away. A lesser team and I'd keep trying to score and get to at least 2-0 before keep away starts.

[J.C]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me agai

Lol wordtobigbird watches a couple of games and thinks he's an expert on what does and doesn't happen on a 1 off or regular basis on a football pitch.

Hey guys I watched Newcastle play City amongst other top teams this means Altrincham can play like barcelona in the dying minutes of the game to cap off a 40 pass move by dribbling past 9 players and chipping the goal keeper to get a game tying or game winning goal with their first shot on target nvm their first shot of the game.

Nothing, other than aesthetics and I mean NOTHING about Fifa says football.

The things that happen in this game are either A) scriping or B very poor programming.

I see people make sliders. the game still plays like crap. People got their keeper sliders in the 50's lol. You need that upped to 100 and even THEN the OP AI can score with their only 2 shots on a regular basis.

lets not act like these sliders are on some NBA 2K level of intricacy.

The day they make sliders of that level of depth is the day fifa might just replicate football.

[xicpanad]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me agai

Don´t know about others but for me, when I argue that Fifa is the best soccer game up to date, I mean it in a virtual context of course. It doesn´t mean that it replicates the real thing. But once you start doing some things wright, then you´ll see CPU behaving in a more realistic way.

If teams are making 40 passes move and dribling 9 players then there´s something wrong with the way you play. Since I understood the game´s mechanics I´ve never seen that again. I even see back passes to the CPU GK most of the matches, wich some people argue that CPU never does.
I do agree that sometimes it abuses the dribling ability, but like I said, a good positioning and a patient approach pretty much reduces the "superhuman" cpu that some people are so tired of.

Of course I´ve gave away goals in the only couple of CPU shots, but I´ve had more matches where the CPU shoots way more then me, and misses everything. That also goes against the low human GKs theory. I think 50 is just fine. After about 50 matches overall, the results are so balanced and feel so right that its not even needed a discussion about it, in my point of view.

And again, I already won matches also with one single shot on target... How about that? Hell I even won one match with no shot on target at all! CPU offered me an own goal and I gladly took it defending the result with all the strenghts I had.

[kashik]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me agai

...once you start doing some things wright, then you´ll see CPU behaving in a more realistic way.

I'm sorry, but if you have to play the game "right" in order for the cpu to play better/realistically then there is something wrong with the game.

I get tired of reading about how people are playing the game wrong, or how feeling cheated after a goal is only because your play style allowed the cpu to play a certain way... If I pick up the controller and play the game for the first time, regardless of my ability or knowledge of football, the computer should play as authentically against me as it does against a veteran player.

We have spent too many years accepting that this is okay from Fifa... accepting that this is as good as it gets right now. I've played Fifa for too long to kid myself that it is anywhere near fair when the cpu ability ramps up/down.

[xicpanad]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me agai

But that´s what happens! What else could I say?
for example, If you play all the time sprinting trying to get the ball, you´ll get driblled, even by some weak stats guy, but that happens in real life. We have to keep a bit of patience, and force the CPU to go into a direction where you can then pressure him effectively. Of course they can still score but I´m glad they can, or else this game would be too easy and that´s not the objective.

Is it perfect? No, of course not, not even close. But you are complaining of things that actually are there to make this game challenging. I can see huge diferences in big teams and weak teams, i can take away the ball from weaker teams way more easily then other ones. But I go into superhuman mode, I´ll get smashed because I give lots of possibilities for the CPU to explore. That´s what I feel about it.

Personally, I gave up on PES series because I had always 70%+ possession and I won everything after I get used to it. The matches I could loose eventually was always because of some lonely play from the CPU, one shot, one goal, after a totally controlled match, were my players strangely misjudged every single shot or cross or whatever. All of a sudden they get acting really stupid and I couldn´t do nothing to avoid the CPU goal. Maybe because of that, I look at this Fifa with a diferent approach and I like it because the things Fifa isn´t doing correctly, PES was doing it worse.

I keep playing the demo but the GK's and some minor things such as animations still didn´t convinced me.

[cadalyst17]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me agai

Anyone else feel the same way? I really do love a large part of this game but

EVERY sports game has scripting

[XXstormmXX]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me agai

Just curious: Does anyone ever complain about scripting when they're the ones scoring in extra time? Or is that just the 1337 skillz kicking in?

I can't speak for anyone else but I've only had two late winners in career mode, one of them was in the Copa Italia final against a shaky Juventus back four and the other was against Celtic in the Scottish Cup final where they fouled Chicarito all game long and he finally had a good run at goal and they couldn't foul him.

Please show us a video of this if it happens so much. I'd love to analyze what youre doing wrong. Love it.

I don't have a capture card to record evidence of scripting but I can show you multiple youtube videos by others showing evidence.
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/wy1wQFD7CPU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/QdPnoscMctw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/BeNomnCi2b4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/JsCs4hXczR0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/C86o5ZeVFfQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

I agree with others about no scripting. I haven't seen any.

Look at the above videos. Also play manager mode, keep playing matches, especially matches where you're a heavy favorite. I recommend playing as Madrid or Barca or Bayern or another giant and then wait until you play one of those games against a underdog where they play like a world-xi team all game.

[caleb_mccaig]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me agai

There's no scripting in FIFA, you're just not good at the game.

If you're up 4-1 on a team, of course that team is going to go all-out attack to try and make a comeback. If you don't play good defence then yes, you will be scored on... multiple times.

I've had the CPU come back on me like that, but it's usually because I keep pressing and trying to score more when I have a big lead.

Lol I wasn't the one complaining about scripting, I even acknowledged in my post that I played terrible defense and let them come back.

Like I said, I can usually tell when the computer is about to score because I'll make a really rash attempt at a tackle and they'll have a wide open lane to goal.

I'm just happy the computer can actually score goals in this year's edition.

[kashik]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me agai

But that´s what happens! What else could I say?
for example, If you play all the time sprinting trying to get the ball, you´ll get driblled, even by some weak stats guy, but that happens in real life. We have to keep a bit of patience, and force the CPU to go into a direction where you can then pressure him effectively. Of course they can still score but I´m glad they can, or else this game would be too easy and that´s not the objective.

Is it perfect? No, of course not, not even close. But you are complaining of things that actually are there to make this game challenging...

I understand very well what I am complaining about. The game needs to be challenging/exciting, yes. It sounds like it is acceptable to you how EA has gone about adding this to the game, and that's fine, but when other people complain about something that you admit is not perfect, why then suggest they are playing the game wrong?

Difficulty ramps up and down in career mode and no slider tweaking or change in play style will negate that fundamental part of the programming. I find it to be inherently flawed how it is implemented, and so it is not a matter of playing the game right or wrong. We should be getting after EA, rather than thinking it is our play style that is lacking. EA makes a killing on this title year after year, yet the same exploitative tactics by the cpu and buggy gameplay remains year after year.