Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me again

[kashik]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me ...

The game makes players on your team run away from attackers?

Lol. C'mon man. So The defender is in front of the dribbler and RUNS AWAY? So they can score? Please let me see this.

Personally I think the scripting is when the CPU finally does try to go all out and score people's defense isn't good enough stop continuous attack and/or they can't hold the ball. Try this next game, when you are up with 10 minutes left and the CPU is about to script you. Hold possession. If the score a goal without the ball then I might believe in scripting.

It's been pretty well noted that the player's ai controlled defenders are absolutely terrible and do, from time to time, step out of the way of an attacker opening up a lane to attack through. It is why people working to create an authentic feel through sliders are suggesting using legacy defending.

These errors seem to occur far more often when cpu difficulty ramps up in games that are decided to be difficult... regardless of whether the player is playing poorly or not.

[xicpanad]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me agai

Ok, this is more like it... Game is scripted for sure. But maybe for me it makes some sense. when we score, depending on the opponent team, they will try to score, and depending on your tactic ( this is hugely important, but some people can´t just see it), your players start to feel the pressure, ence the feel of some handicap. Now here´s the catch. Thing is I do feel sometimes that my players can perform better passes then they did, but it just happens in situations of pressure, because CPU is all over me. If I have a clear chance, my player will pass it just right. Even there´s a handicaped version of my players for a part of the match, that makes me feel the pressure and maybe is the way to go. For some, this brings excitment and enjoyment with the unexpected, for others this is bad scripting/programming and ruins the game. No one´s right, no one´s wrong, its just the way we see it.

Now this has nothing to do with some other stuff going on, with people arguing that players run the other way around, pass the other way, etc. Yes, I believe that might happen, but like once in 20 or 30 matches, it might be some bug or something, but that is not scripting! Damn it might even be some settings issue combined with some bad controller use at that particular moment. I´ve done lots of mistakes too that toatlly compromised my players position by miles, I do it every single match when in pressure and rushing, but never ever felt that CPU was making me do that on purpose. So there´s something wrong here, with some people´s controller, system, or way to play this game.

[Hunkerdown]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me agai

No scripting : last 4 games in my Everton CM I have kept cpu scoreless.

[half-fast]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me agai

No scripting : last 4 games in my Everton CM I have kept cpu scoreless.

Wow, such evidence with a huge dataset to back it up. I'm convinced.

[xicpanad]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me agai

Well i´m playing MM in World Class and after 23 matches I conceived 11 goals, so defending is not that hard, even against the supposed scripting.

[Matt10]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me ...

You obviously dont play enough, or are not observant enough.

He plays quite a bit, streams live on Twitch, and is a good player. Very observant in his comments on OS sliders thread and in his TwitchTv chat.

If you're not utilizing sliders, you're going to see scripting. It's how the game is programmed. There is literally 1,000 lines of code that makes this happen. I can copy and paste it, if you'd like.

The thing is you have to combat it with sliders, in particular positioning. So find a way to move the players out of their programmed positions on the field. If you don't feel like exploring this, then look on the OS sliders thread where we have already done the hard work for you.

[moose141]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me ...

Going off of what Matt10 said, I also said this in another thread and I think most of it applies here as well:

You really have to work with sliders IMO, I think they have done the best job to help fix the randomness and non-scripted feeling of the game. With the sliders that I'm now using (on Legendary mind you) I have had blowout wins in my favor such as beating Leicester 4-1 and other beatings, tight games that have gone either way like nil-nil draws and one goal games, and I even had Chelsea just bash me 4-0 at Stamford Bridge. So I think a combo of difficulty, sliders, and then of course lineup adjustments really goes a long way in making things play much more realistically in the game. You will see regressions and advancements and I think that is all just natural so even though the game may make certain fixtures tough, you have to account for all the circumstances that may cause this. Is the team you're facing fighting relegation? Are they in good form? Are they battling for a European place? All of these things make them play tougher than they may play in the early goings of the season and you have to account for that.

Also, with sliders I've seen most of the 90th minute stuff combatted (for the most part), because ideally there will occasionally be late injury time goals and you don't want it completely removed. But with sliders I've seen a change where when A) opponents are behind and start pressuring and pumping the ball into the box, they will occasionally get an equalizer, but not very often and it keeps things at a realistic amount and vice versa for myself I will see the same thing, and also B) when teams are level, I occasionally see a late winner but more often than not things occur in a stalemate as they do realistically. Sliders really play the biggest part in helping to keep the randomness of real soccer alive while also keeping things realistic.

[wordtobigbird]

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You obviously dont play enough, or are not observant enough.

Lol, got to love the internet. I probably play TOO much and am TOO observant but hey you know me so well. Like I said if it happened so often and was so easy to see people would have it well documented and point to the same resource whenever people question scripting. All we have a bunch of post from people who are LOSING games on HIGH difficulty and complaining about it.

Dynamic Difficulty is not scripting. They are trying to simulate. Maybe you don't agree with their way of doing it by making certain games harder but that still isn't scripting.

For the game to have scripting they would have to have USER INPUT in the script. How is that possible when we are all different people behind the controller pushing different buttons at different times? They could never set a script for 22 players if WE control one.

Okay, people will claim they lose control of their player all the time and they make passes that go in the complete opposite direction from where they pushed and show nothing to back that up. When people say "Okay, well my controller works fine" the people claiming scripting have no other evidence to provide?

Did you guys read the original post? He said he knew from the BEGINNING OF THE GAME whether he would win or lose. That means A) he could tell the difficulty was harder and knew he wouldn't be able to handle it or B) he knows the script.

Sorry, this claim is ridiculous. Someone show me their player facing one direction and the ball going the other because the CPU decided they should lose.

Did you guys see the Arsenal game? SCRIPTING!

[xicpanad]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me ...

Did you guys see the Arsenal game? SCRIPTING!

Exactly!

Its very rare in real life, that in a match there isn´t at least a couple moments of suposed "scripting". Things going wrong or referees not calling clear fouls happen in real life.

Yesterday Benfica scored a goal late in the game, despite Monaco clearly made the most dangerous stituations. GK saved quite some close challenges, and then for about 10 minutes Benfica played good style, out of nowhere, and the ball came loose to Talisca, alone in the box who scored. Totally scripted. Right after, Jardel (CB) is pushed in the own box, but no foul. When he falls, he touches the ball a couple times with arms and hands, right in front of the assistent referee, and the result was... Corner. More scripting against Monaco? Imagine hapening that in Fifa 15. I´m pretty sure it would make people angry. It happens, thing is people here either accept it has part of the game, or hate it. For me, it makes me furious sometimes, but in the end I know its trying to represent real soccer and I end up enjoying it.

I welcome the challenge and before each match, I know I have to be really focused to avoid those situations.

[zanner]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me agai

Imagine those two situations happening 25%+ of games a season in terms of 45th minute and 90 minute goals either way whether your scoring it or the cpu is scoring. There would be shenanigans called and there would be more than meets the eye similar to Italian soccer .

So using rare occurances in the beautiful game doesn't justify a common occurance in a video game so being sarcastic and bringing up one offs is a weak justification for low teams pulling this off consistently in Fifa series.

It's like if NBA 2k drops your star player's shot percentage from 480 to 125 in the 2nd and 4th quarter and then citing LeBron James being held scoreless in the second half- it'd be ridiculous

It's not that the things happen , it's how they happen and who they happen with that is the problem whether that's scripting or dynamic difficulty or whatever you want to call it - "it" happens too often and thus seems rather cheap when you open your eyes and see it happening and know it's coming.

The game plays better when you're playing better or semi decent talent than it does when you're playing a trash team, and that's the main problem I have with it

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[zanner]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me agai

It don't detract me from loving the game and playing day in and day out, but I can definitely see how it could be justifiably frustrating to someone else .

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[half-fast]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me ...

He plays quite a bit, streams live on Twitch, and is a good player. Very observant in his comments on OS sliders thread and in his TwitchTv chat.

If you're not utilizing sliders, you're going to see scripting. It's how the game is programmed. There is literally 1,000 lines of code that makes this happen. I can copy and paste it, if you'd like.

The thing is you have to combat it with sliders, in particular positioning. So find a way to move the players out of their programmed positions on the field. If you don't feel like exploring this, then look on the OS sliders thread where we have already done the hard work for you.

If he's a very good player, then he probably wouldnt notice the scripting as it heavily depends on momentum. All the people that dont see it are either oblivious or are better players, because it's mostly momentum based. I play full manual on World Class and I see these things every game, simply because I dont pass as well as I did on the 360 with the new controllers. You make a few bad passes, all of the sudden things go south, and in the most ridiculous ways, not realistic. Its not because the AI takes advantage of your bad pass, it's because after your bad pass, one of their players will blatantly block you from getting the ball in such a manner there is no way it couldnt be a card, and then all of the sudden you cant control the right defender in the crucial moment. They get blocked in such a way I've never seen my AI players do it to theirs.

After reading your post, I played a game and recorded two instances of blatant cheating/interference on the AI's part were there was obviously no call, that within 15 seconds afterward let to a goal where I could not gain control of the needed defender. I will post them. I've used your sliders, Orions and made my own, but I havent found a good set for me yet. Sliders are simply not a cure-all situation, and though they can help to make the game better, I believe people put too much emphasis on them. You'll probably be offended by that statement, I apologize, that wasnt my intention, just my opinion.

Lol, got to love the internet. I probably play TOO much and am TOO observant but hey you know me so well. Like I said if it happened so often and was so easy to see people would have it well documented and point to the same resource whenever people question scripting. All we have a bunch of post from people who are LOSING games on HIGH difficulty and complaining about it.

Dynamic Difficulty is not scripting. They are trying to simulate. Maybe you don't agree with their way of doing it by making certain games harder but that still isn't scripting.

For the game to have scripting they would have to have USER INPUT in the script. How is that possible when we are all different people behind the controller pushing different buttons at different times? They could never set a script for 22 players if WE control one.

Okay, people will claim they lose control of their player all the time and they make passes that go in the complete opposite direction from where they pushed and show nothing to back that up. When people say "Okay, well my controller works fine" the people claiming scripting have no other evidence to provide?

Did you guys read the original post? He said he knew from the BEGINNING OF THE GAME whether he would win or lose. That means A) he could tell the difficulty was harder and knew he wouldn't be able to handle it or B) he knows the script.

Sorry, this claim is ridiculous. Someone show me their player facing one direction and the ball going the other because the CPU decided they should lose.

Did you guys see the Arsenal game? SCRIPTING!

I didnt say I was losing games. I do lose, yes, but I dont lose that often. I dont need to lose to be frustrated, though losing does make you more frustrated.

Youre right, I dont agree with the way theyve made it more difficult. Youre also correct that, whether you make the game more intelligent on higher difficulties, or whether you make it cheat/or script it, which ever term you prefer, that is also a way of making it harder. Strategy games have been giving the AI more resources and faster build/research values to make the higher difficulties harder since the beginning of video game time, and I've been ok with it since then, but if they were to stop me from building a particular building or research a type of technology, or move to a certain place in a certain amount of time just to allow the AI to win, that would piss me off, and would be equivalent to what FIFA does. I believe youre so good that the momentum is mostly in your favour, and you also know how to combat it better. Are you a manual or auto player? That also has bearing on the subject.

As a computer programmer, I've bolded your statement about scripting. If you do not know for certain, you should not spread misinformation about how programming works. Scripting actually works very well with user input. All you need to do is have certain criteria met, or certain variables hit a particular value and you can do whatever you want, user input or not. What you said there is most certainly 100% incorrect. if( value a > target_value) increase_momentum( target_team );
Simple, fundamental programming. Perhaps that's why I see it as possible, but it always comes back to someone who has little to no programming knowledge "stating" that they know its impossible. I also commonly hear that how could EA control the game like that? They cant make the players move how they want when they want ........ well, thats exactly how the game was created, they can do whatever they want! They can change individual player behaviours on a dime if they wanted, they just need certain criteria met, which is not hard to track.

[kashik]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me agai

Well it seems like no matter what people say, one side isn't going to agree with the other. Fair enough.

So the last I'll say on it is I think it all comes down to two things: how much you have played the fifa series, and whether you find EAs recreation of real world stats realistic or not.

I've played the series for many years. I can't remember when it was that I started to feel cheated by the cpu, but it's been so long now that I can't agree with the realism of it. Forcing realism by adjusting cpu or player performance doesn't make a realistic game. The result may look realistic, but behind the scenes there are things working to make that certain result happen.

My hope is that EA starts to invest more of that pile of cash they make off the game back into better programming. IIRC, this dynamic difficulty has been around since Fifa 10... We've been complaining about it and hoping for its improvement for far too long.

[xicpanad]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me agai

I just borught that up because in Fifa odd things happen too. Now I don´t know why but to me they don´t happen those +25% of time. But like I said, this is all a point of view discussion here, because every single person here plays diferently, and has a diferent perspective of the game, as well as of real soccer.

Even the majority of players feel the need to tune the gameplay with extensive slider settings, and I´m actually having great fun with the game out of the box. Its just a personal taste.

[Strngarmsteadi]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me agai

Scripting is such a broad term but I'll say that there is a point in a season the Ai is ramped up. I notice it more on undefeated streaks I have. Now you can look at it two ways, its giving you a sim experience because in real life it's hard to go 10 games undefeated or "damn EA is ****in up my game." I choose to look at it as a sim experience. So when it comes to late game situations, one has to choose go all out for a win or draw. So I'll rather tie and change my tactics, now that's just me. There's been many instances that I'll go for the win and the cpu will counter and break unmarked. That's my fault for going all out and those are the consequences. So when someone says maybe changing your tactics helps. It did for me, but hey that's just my opinion.

My complaint about the game is about user Ai if anything, like how come my player can sit there look at a ball rolling inches away from him and not react? Trying frantically to switch to him but most cases the cpu already has possession and about to score. That needs to be fixed to give a more realistic feel to this game.