Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me again

[Matt10]

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Well don't say were are lying, though. The company admits that it's in Madden... compensating, and that's what I was experiencing in FIFA. Go to that link I posted. I had experienced it many times and it was extremely frustrating... the game "tugging" on your players to stupefy you etc. You don't know where you are at the game. This "game" will not allow you to play football.

I didn't know where I was at it, I just saw a game heavily (insanely) influenced by scripting against & for, and the only half strategy there is... the counter attack. Anti passing etc. Being selfish/not playing it as a team game as much as possible.

Why on earth would we even make this up? And we're just astonished that you people don't experience this. We want to lose & win organically.

And don't laugh because I used to have records of, for example, won 1000 lost 3... back in the times when FIFA's were just bad, bad and unrealistic bad, but not scripted/no rubberbanding.

But it's not about that. I don't take gaming seriously anymore. I know I wouldn't be all that great these days anyways. It's about this for example...

"Just had a low division game with my team and was up 2-0 by half time. The opposition came back and beat me 3-2 in the following way...
One guy gets the ball at the half way line and proceeds to 'walk' towards my goal. All my midfielders and defenders are pushed away by some wierd invisible forcefield and boom scores. It seemed to be in slow motion almost like the scripting could not cope."

The game dumbing you down by blatantly overriding your user controlled actions on the pitch... BLATANTLY at that too.

I don't want to win in that fashion either.

You can't watch some random FIFA video on youtube and automatically go "He was bad at defending" for example.

It does not let you play football.

Why do these people keep playing this.....

Watch some of the community's streams we have using sliders, myself included, a lot of the matches are not showing any form of scripting - and if it is - it's not as consistent to the point the game shouldn't be played:

https://www.twitch.tv/matt10l

https://www.twitch.tv/isureaper31

https://www.twitch.tv/twitchk1ng

https://www.twitch.tv/onedrop1886

I stream every night, streaming right now actually albeit at halftime and will "brb", but still. Not trying to argue or say this or that - but the game is playable, with the right settings.

[xicpanad]

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"Just had a low division game with my team and was up 2-0 by half time. The opposition came back and beat me 3-2 in the following way...
One guy gets the ball at the half way line and proceeds to 'walk' towards my goal. All my midfielders and defenders are pushed away by some wierd invisible forcefield and boom scores. It seemed to be in slow motion almost like the scripting could not cope."

I can guarantee I have never experienced something like that! All players being pushed away from midifield to the goal?? Nope, never happened or I would surely smashed my controller. Playing WC, default sliders on X1.

[olliekse]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me agai

Howard Webb used to ensure the scum got 5 minutes injury time every game he refereed so EVEN if this was true, it wouldn't exactly be unrealistic.

[Culture Rot]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me agai

Scripting is a myth

[vladimusmaximus]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me agai

This is precisely why I despise EA sports games, they are all completely rife with noob hand-holding algorithms, momentum, scripted actions and handicapped matches as well as full seasons!

I won't even begin to describe the type of (obvious) sh*t that will begin to happen both to the player you control as well as your AI when the engine decides you need to lose or concede because it's tired of your win streak.

I've also been on the flip-side when I felt like I could do anything and my entire team were playing like supermen; essentially in some way it felt like the game was doing so much hand-holding, auto-assisting, auto-tackling and aiming that I went up 6-0 before the first 45th minute and it was just silly... I was barely trying.

It's in all games, but EA is definitely the biggest culprit. Even worse is that they "pretend" it doesn't exist and BAN you from their forums if you try to seek help regarding it.

Simply put your controller down and see your defense all of a sudden AMP up like crazy on your AI players. It's pretty pathetic.

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It was in EA's NHL since 2009! same year it was introduced to FIFA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ_OLBh9vNs

Madden

http://www.maddentips.com/forums/showthread.php?163609-Ea-Admits-to-Scripted-Play

Oh and here is PES 2013 (also scripted)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZWK-q6Je8k

All SPORTS games including NBA2k PES have scripting and handicapping (catchup logic) algorithms. EA's algorithms are MUCH MUCH more heavy handed than other games however.

No matter which EA sports game you play, when the handicap kicks in you will experience similar oddities and things happening to your team/ai and players.

[xicpanad]

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I believe people are interpreting scripting with diferent thoughts, for some its a good thing, others say its bad. I´ve been reading and understanding both points of view. To me, I like to believe that scripting is a necessary weakness.
Without it, it would be hard to avoid boring matches.

But coming here and unload a ton critics on EA games it looks a bit harsh. At least without considering the other game. Latest PES always had some mod tools to remove the so called scripting. It also had it and very strong too. It ramped up dificulty in unbelievable ways sometimes, and it also made us commit mistakes, and to me, the most stupid ones I´ve ever seen. Thing is, it didn´t happened all the time and even it did, we found ways to fight and play against it.

[morningstar777]

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The "scripting" for me is when my pro player gets injured during a match where our team is down and I'm running downfield for a through ball towards the end of the game. I usually save my sprint every for the 2nd half and usually have around 35-40% energy left in the 85th minute so there is no reason why I would get injured time after time when I'm trying to make a comeback.

[Cuban_Linx]

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To those who say there is no scripting...

This game is grossly unfair....

Get better, play football and you will see that vs. people who just do 2 pass max and then some aimless lob.

Get better and you will see it right in front of your face, EA no shame in not even making it subtle. You will then understand why they are labelled the greediest there is.

Hideously unfair... The game absolutely disgusts me. And it should be illegal for them to grossly mislead people.

I don't understand. What do yall see as scripting? I've been playing Fifa since 09 and the biggest complaint i have right now is the CPU all having an IQ of 200 and playing like 09 Barça. The lack of diversity in their playing styles is what i would see as disgusting since they already fixed a lot of that in Fifa 14 but now got back to everyone playing the same.

For your complaints, I really dont see how its a problem that the CPU never keeps the same level for the whole season or even just 90 minutes. Thats exactly what footballs supposed to be like. sometimes teams overachieve and sometimes they play bad. Something other you see topteams do is starting the game playing laid back to feel out the other team before they turn up the heat to pull in the W. In Fifa 14 this was nonexistant and Real madrid would play without a sense of urgency even when down 0-1 in the 80th minute, now they fixed that.

I had a perfect game like this just yesterday when I played Bayern with Ajax in career mode. Bayern played 5-3-2 with 2 dm's so they basically decided to sit back and allow me to dominate possession and thats exactly what I did. I played a good game before i did something stupid which allowed them to cross the ball and i was late on switching which allowed muller to score a tough header.

Now this is where ppl would prob say scripting started. I started losing control of the game and Bayern began taking over. Somehow i got a lucky 1-1 to end the half but that was it. Starting the 2nd half they turned up the pressure and I was so overwhelmed I started making mistakes in my passing and they ended up dominating for a full half hour and even scored the 2-1. After that they calmed down and decided to protect the lead but that only allowed me to get my passing game back and i ended up scoring the 2-2 in the 90th minute.


You could say that game was a prime example of scripting but i see it as a topteam deciding to pick their spots to actually play like the top team they are. I dont even believe in the CPU singlehandedly deciding when my passes should be off bc I know from experience I make the most mistakes when my concentration is off or when other teams start pressuring me unexpectedly and thats exactly what happened. They allowed me alot of freedom to start the game and then all of a sudden started putting pressure which caught me off guard.

[kashik]

Re: Really want to love this game but 90th minute goals/scripting are killing me agai

You must look for the examples that SHOULDN'T be happening.

Of course it seems like everything is fine when you say Bayern sat back, then attacked and scored... It's Bayern. When you say you made mistakes because they were so successful at pressuring you, it sounds realistic as that is what you would expect to happen against a team full of players with 80+ ratings.

[Cuban_Linx]

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yeah but thats the thing. Everything that happens can easily be explained as either my mistake or dumb luck. The only things that are really killing me is the CPU overpassing and playing like Barça and physics being in favor of the CPU so much of the time (in that weak players outduel my 91 strength malanda and my players keep getting dropped whenever they try to bump someone).

Every game not being the same is just natural to me bc thats exactly what its supposed to be. Its crazy to think that bc you dominated the first 5 games you should be dominating the rest of the way.

[Mike Lowe]

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Folks are giving EA far too much credit. Scripting? Please. Besides, if it were designed that way, it'd be broken somewhere.

[kashik]

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yeah but thats the thing. Everything that happens can easily be explained as either my mistake or dumb luck. The only things that are really killing me is the CPU overpassing and playing like Barça and physics being in favor of the CPU so much of the time (in that weak players outduel my 91 strength malanda and my players keep getting dropped whenever they try to bump someone).

Every game not being the same is just natural to me bc thats exactly what its supposed to be. Its crazy to think that bc you dominated the first 5 games you should be dominating the rest of the way.

No that is not the thing. It is not just your mistake or just dumb luck.

You're saying it, but not really saying it. You've mentioned how the cpu passes like Barca, and your 90+ strength stat players get out muscled "so much of the time."

Have you seen low stat players dribbling like very high stat players? Have you seen slow players match acceleration with fast players? Have you seen short players get the better of giant CBs with high heading stats? Have you seen through balls that have just the perfect amount of weight to go out or reach the keeper instead of to your attacker?

We could go on and on about all the things, which we've all seen happen many times, that lead to realistic results.

[half-fast]

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Folks are giving EA far too much credit. Scripting? Please. Besides, if it were designed that way, it'd be broken somewhere.

This 100% untrue.

[Cuban_Linx]

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No that is not the thing. It is not just your mistake or just dumb luck.

You're saying it, but not really saying it. You've mentioned how the cpu passes like Barca, and your 90+ strength stat players get out muscled "so much of the time."

Have you seen low stat players dribbling like very high stat players? Have you seen slow players match acceleration with fast players? Have you seen short players get the better of giant CBs with high heading stats? Have you seen through balls that have just the perfect amount of weight to go out or reach the keeper instead of to your attacker?

We could go on and on about all the things, which we've all seen happen many times, that lead to realistic results.

what are you trying to say tho? I said all those things bc those are my complaints about the gameplay. none of them however are scripting. I've seen low stat players keeping on to the ball while dribbling but I dont call that "dribbling like high stat players" I call that CPU playing with ridiculous patience and an IQ of 200 so do they dont make mistakes and I hate that. Its bull**** but still not scripting.

slow players matching fast players could have a lot of explanations. Cant bother with that unless I see specific examples wherein its 100% bull**** for the slower player to match the faster player.

Shorter players winning headers against giants was one of my original complaints yeah. Still dont see what that has to do with scripting. Its just bad physics like I said earlier. The same bad physics that allowed my 5'6'' CM to score a header against a CPU defender while he was basically defending me perfectly.

Never seen those through balls tho which is also a stupid thing about Fifa 15 now that I think about it. The CPU in Fifa 14 was way more creative. caught me off guard with beautiful through balls and long passes all the time. The CPU in Fifa 15 just short passes me to death until they have an open shot.

So basically I still dont see your point. Fifa 15 has a lot of flaws but none of them I could define as scripting.

[jfrost32]

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I think a lot of the problems we see is because of our ai teammates acting like zombies. Most of the time when the cpu scores, its a through ball past my defender that they should move intercept to it or mark the striker but they just stand still and let the striker get it and boom 1v1 and they score