PES 2017 Tactics

[Matt10]

Re: PES 2017 Tactics

It is what makes the game change depending on situations (just played Tottenham when they hit full orange in a cup game and it was insane) BUT wish it just started on green and changed depending on the situation from there. Hard to make tactics for a team that switches back and forth from the very start of the game.

Yeah, and that's the odd thing is that noone has uncovered what is the trigger of these A/D levels...other than game scenario of course, but still.

This is why I made such a big deal out of it the second I started noticing it on PESDay1 videos and eventually the demo. No team goes 0 to 60, completely in-sync with eachother, the way they do in PES 17.

[k steves 32]

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Anybody having trouble with the CPU scoring against them in ML? I have tried to only control a CM or CDM and not over press for the sake of "realism", but on Superstar I CANNOT get the CPU to score. This isn't a "look how good I am" post or anything as I am mid-table in January due to my trouble scoring as well. Do the OP tactical adjustments help in any way with their attacking potency? Thanks.

[bredfan]

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Anybody having trouble with the CPU scoring against them in ML? I have tried to only control a CM or CDM and not over press for the sake of "realism", but on Superstar I CANNOT get the CPU to score. This isn't a "look how good I am" post or anything as I am mid-table in January due to my trouble scoring as well. Do the OP tactical adjustments help in any way with their attacking potency? Thanks.

ML is kinda random with difficulty. Was that way in 15 and 16, and 17 carried it over as well.

I'll go a couple games in a row without giving up even a single shot. Then the next few games will have pretty realistic stat lines. Only to return to games that are basically me vs the CPU goalie. No rhyme or reason.

The one thing I can say is the CPU tends to stay within itself. It doesn't get too crazy or take many risks outside of long balls when you play a high line. Basically, unless you make a mistake on D, they're attacks will usually fizzle out one way or another as the AI just isn't creative enough to create opportunities outside of "fundamental" ones unless it cheats.

[Krebstar]

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I haven't given up on individual tactics for teams. Or at least a "tactics bank" of sorts to apply to different teams. Here are two possession based tactics for Arsenal, and Manchester City that I'm pretty happy with as of now.

Check 'em out! (These are for AI/CPU use for humans to play against)

Arsenal: 4-2-3-1
In Possession

Spoiler

Out of Possession

Spoiler

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Manchester City: 4-3-3
In Possesion

Spoiler

Out of Possession

Spoiler

Both have support range set as low as possible, and use tiki taka in their advanced settings. I'll do a full list of settings later!

[dubcity]

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I don't know if this has been mentioned yet bur i think the A/D levels are messed up
Because usually if the CPU is in attack they are on the orange level and as soon as they lose the ball they switch to the blue one which causes them to instantely retreat
Now that is not the case in football if i'm trying to score i am going to be more aggressive in defense as well so that means those levels should stay consistent similar to FIFA or Football Manager

Yeah, it's the main reason I can't use auto A/D levels on the user side. I'll be playing as Barca against a crap team, and it'll put me on blue whenever I lose the ball. Then if i'm leading by even just a single goal after the half, it'll go blue on attack and defense. Like Barca is just going to just sit back and defend a 1-0 lead. Granted being on orange on defense is dangerous and frustrating, but a possession team needs to be aggressive winning the ball back.

Game is losing my interest a tad, because it's frustrating trying to get realistic results. They've cranked up the defensive AI so much that even the bottom level teams can tackle the ball from guys like Ozil and Ronaldo with relative ease. Only way to show dominance is via over-assisted passing.

[k steves 32]

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ML is kinda random with difficulty. Was that way in 15 and 16, and 17 carried it over as well.

I'll go a couple games in a row without giving up even a single shot. Then the next few games will have pretty realistic stat lines. Only to return to games that are basically me vs the CPU goalie. No rhyme or reason.

The one thing I can say is the CPU tends to stay within itself. It doesn't get too crazy or take many risks outside of long balls when you play a high line. Basically, unless you make a mistake on D, they're attacks will usually fizzle out one way or another as the AI just isn't creative enough to create opportunities outside of "fundamental" ones unless it cheats.

Thanks for the reply - Yeah it's tough. I figured full manual passing would lead to me turning it over in my own half and perhaps more chances for the CPU, but it has instead created more 0-0 results (3 straight last night on 15 minute game time Superstar...playing as West Brom). I will keep slogging through and hopefully if I qualify for European competition the CPU will score some goals!

[tilburylfc]

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What Match Time Length do you guys use? Im on 15 minutes. I would guess that makes the cpu teams react to the score line faster, and have less time to employ their regular style of play. Id like to try longer matches, but I just dont have that much time all at once.

[PAPERNUT]

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What Match Time Length do you guys use? Im on 15 minutes. I would guess that makes the cpu teams react to the score line faster, and have less time to employ their regular style of play. Id like to try longer matches, but I just dont have that much time all at once.

Try 25 min games. Since I made the switch games and stats are looking great. I think it settles everything down to get out of that rush mentality that can lead to more mistakes and I do think it helps the CPU play better overall.

I want to thank everyone that has contributed to this thread. I think with all the theories and adjustments we have, we can make this game and teams play realistic enough to pass this year. However, it would be nice if someone could get the attention of the PES devs about the A/D and build up play. They seemed to listen about the issues from 16 and corrected most, so if we can get their ear, we may see a change for 18 that will make that game the Holy Grail for sim soccer games. 17 is pretty close as is.

[elprez98]

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I play 20 minutes.

[Krebstar]

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I couldn't imagine doing less than 20 minute games. For me, I wouldn't ever expect s realistic pace, or stats from anything shorter.

To each their own of course, but I encourage everyone to at least try 20-25 minutes. I love 25-30 as it's nice to have time to come back, or be forced to protect your lead longer than just a few minutes.

[TeleTex82]

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I couldn't imagine doing less than 20 minute games. For me, I wouldn't ever expect s realistic pace, or stats from anything shorter.

To each their own of course, but I encourage everyone to at least try 20-25 minutes. I love 25-30 as it's nice to have time to come back, or be forced to protect your lead longer than just a few minutes.

25 minutes feels absolutely perfect. It allows plenty of time for the CPU to get a good grasp of what you are doing and adapt, the ebb and flow of the game is a lot more organic. You have to be smart about protecting your leads, and utilizing your tactics.

One thing for people having low scoring games, I believe this is a result of shorter game length combined with relatove strength/position of the cpu team. If younare facing a weaker opponent or one lower on the table, and are having trouble scoring, obviously the cpu will be happy with a draw. As a real manager would, most of the time. Just a thought

[elprez98]

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Just implemented Matt's 5 second and the game play difference is staggering.

I'm tempted to restart my ML because it is like playing a new game. The AI is a lot more patient.

[RoyceDa59]

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I couldn't imagine doing less than 20 minute games. For me, I wouldn't ever expect s realistic pace, or stats from anything shorter.

To each their own of course, but I encourage everyone to at least try 20-25 minutes. I love 25-30 as it's nice to have time to come back, or be forced to protect your lead longer than just a few minutes.

Man I hear you just had a match as Man City vs Sevilla. And I was up 1-0 for the majority of the game dominating possession 55-45 but the last 15 minutes of the game they started pushing up more. I switched to counter attacking formation and brought in Sane and Navas as subs and went on to add another 3 more goals. I was smiling the whole time because I was finally able to unlock their defence to finish off the game. They were fouling me almost every counter attack and even conceded a penalty, this was probably the most satisfying match I have had since the game came out.

[Tinker]

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I haven't given up on individual tactics for teams. Or at least a "tactics bank" of sorts to apply to different teams. Here are two possession based tactics for Arsenal, and Manchester City that I'm pretty happy with as of now.

Check 'em out! (These are for AI/CPU use for humans to play against)

Arsenal: 4-2-3-1
In Possession

Spoiler

Out of Possession

Spoiler

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Manchester City: 4-3-3
In Possesion

Spoiler

Out of Possession

Spoiler

Both have support range set as low as possible, and use tiki taka in their advanced settings. I'll do a full list of settings later!

These are great! Would love to see more of these.

I am also trying to achieve something similar with 3-5-2 formation. By default, side midfielders dont behave like wing backs should - don't drop to make back 5 when defending. Even in attack I'm not completely sattisfied with them, as side mids tend to tuck in too much without providing width.

So far I came up with two options:

1. 3-5-2 in possession and 5-3-2 out of possession. Something like you did here.

2. 5-3-2 both in and out possession, but giving them Attacking Fullbacks advanced tactic. Then both FB's would advance high up the pitch when in possession, essentially acting as wingbacks.

All in all, neither is ideal.

[RoyceDa59]

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These are great! Would love to see more of these.

I am also trying to achieve something similar with 3-5-2 formation. By default, side midfielders dont behave like wing backs should - don't drop to make back 5 when defending. Even in attack I'm not completely sattisfied with them, as side mids tend to tuck in too much without providing width.

So far I came up with two options:

1. 3-5-2 in possession and 5-3-2 out of possession. Something like you did here.

2. 5-3-2 both in and out possession, but giving them Attacking Fullbacks advanced tactic. Then both FB's would advance high up the pitch when in possession, essentially acting as wingbacks.

All in all, neither is ideal.

Option number 1 seems like the best. I have been doing that with my Watford tactics and I like what I see. Also I like that the long ball tactic isn't as broken as the last few years.