***The Official Arsenal Gunners" Thread***

[KG]

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Knowing now that there were apparently continued issues behind the scenes, and knowing that we haven't been terrible without him in the side (and he wasn't going to play the rest of the season anyway)—I'm alright with how it was handled, and I'm glad to have his wages gone.

It was always going to be Ozil Part II with the wages, his issues in the past, and his age.

As for the rest of the window—for now, I'm okay with the gamble. We have one competition to play in, 17 matches. We have a deep enough squad for that, but we're going to need great performances.

I'd rather we have another good Summer window than rush something now. One look at last Summer should give everyone enough confidence (enough, not the most) in terms of recruitment. The club is showing that they're serious about doing things differently such as bringing in the players they want even if it costs a bit more, or not bringing anyone in at all if there is no fit, and I'll take that all day over quick fixes (Willian) and bad late deals (Lucas Perez).

2 good windows in a row.

That's all you can ask for as a fan.

[ImTellinTim]

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2 good windows in a row.

That's all you can ask for as a fan.

We're on like 10. I'm going to miss this when it's gone.

[Krebstar]

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I’m sure some will disagree, but I honestly don’t give a ****.

That’s a bull**** double yellow card. Yet another instance of a referee willingly altering a match with their actions when it’s not necessary. Yes, give him a yellow and tell him he’s on the thinnest of ice, but to send of a player off there is just absurd.

The story will be “hur due another red card for Arsenal” but people won’t look at the context, or how disproportionately they’re given.

So over this league (to the point I’m barely paying much attention to it these days).

[KG]

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I’m sure some will disagree, but I honestly don’t give a ****.

That’s a bull**** double yellow card. Yet another instance of a referee willingly altering a match with their actions when it’s not necessary. Yes, give him a yellow and tell him he’s on the thinnest of ice, but to send of a player off there is just absurd.

The story will be “hur due another red card for Arsenal” but people won’t look at the context, or how disproportionately they’re given.

So over this league (to the point I’m barely paying much attention to it these days).

That was def something I've never seen before but tbh it was the right call. He pushed Podence when he was throwing it in and then stopped the attack with a blatant frustration shoulder barge.

[ImTellinTim]

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Yeah I know it’s frustrating but that was a lot more valid than some of the crap reds you’ve gotten lately.

[Krebstar]

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No, no, no.

The issue is **** like this happens all the time and referees rightly don’t accept to alter the game. If a referee gave a yellow whenever they could, there would be so many yellows.

In that moment a referee has to decide whether what a player did deserves a team being at a massive disadvantage, and it was a stupid decision.

There will be near leg snapping challenges this weekend that will go unpunished. Someone will tell the referee to **** off and not be punished.

I could go on but why bother. Such a ****, spectacle created by controversy loving league. More done with it each passing day.

[Krebstar]

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Okay, one more for the sake of providing perspective.

Arteta has said he wants to talk to the league about some of the decisions against Arsenal, as he should, as last night’s red was a good example of a card you have to want to give. That’s a great way to put it, I think. Doesn’t mean it’s a conspiracy, but that in that moment a referee decides to do that not because they should but because they want to, which is why you never ****ing see it.

Second, a few weeks ago a journalist who covers Arsenal made the point that they’re an easy team to red card meaning at this point when it happens everyone will just accept it because it’s Arsenal, whether it’s the correct decision or not. Well, it’s Arsenal, they get a lot of reds, of course they got another. If your decision is wrong or inconsistent, or borderline, it’s Arsenal so it’s easy to have it brushed off or justified.

To doubt this, to me, is absurd because we accept other teams have reputations that alter how they’re officiated (Burnley).

Lastly, if a yellow card is a warning or a caution, don’t you need to warn a player before another? Unless, of course, the player does something so egregious they should be immediately removed, which is not what happened yesterday.

Just because you can doesn’t mean you should, but I should’ve given up looking for nuance in this sport and it’s surrounding discourse long ago.

[KG]

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The decision to alter a game is definitely real but just taking this incident into account, Martinelli clearly commits two yellow card infringements. He doesn’t carry the reputation that say Xhaka has and his offenses weren’t injury threatened but he literally attempted to break up two attacks, first by going out of play to try and stop Podence from taking the quick throw-in and then finishing it off by pushing him. Then he brings down Semedo in what’s a yellow every day of the week.

Now I only watched from the incident on and my Arsenal buddy said there was a complete lack of control by the ref all match that should have seen more yellows given so if you want to argue that side I have no fight but on the basis of just that event, it’s definitely two yellow card worthy actions.



We all can agree that there are plenty of missed or incorrectly given cards that alter or should alter a match but IMO I thought that was an idiotic out of character move by Martinelli.


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[Krebstar]

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I’m not arguing the rule, I’m arguing the rare enforcement of the rule in a situation that deserves more nuanced thought.

How many times have we seen a player commit a bad foul worthy of a yellow, only to then commit another yellow card offense in the ensuing pushing and shoving that follows once players rush in?

What happens? The referee gives ONE yellow and tells him he’s basically done if he sneezes in the wrong direction.

Is that the exact situation with Martinelli, no, but similar as it was essentially the same phase of play. Technically, yes, it was two infractions but we see two infractions punished as one every game because common ****ing sense prevails now and then.

By accepting the situation as correct because technically he committed two fouls, we’re agreeing to in this instance accept an absurdly rigid adherence to rules that is otherwise entirely non-existent.

Arteta’s point can not be rationally contended with because the lack of consistency. If he asks why was he given a red, they’ll say because he committed two yellow card offenses. If he asks then why does that not always happen or happen more frequently, there is no rational answer. The answer is that in this instance the referee felt like it, and nobody knows why. That is a damning reality we’re in.

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Oh, one extra bit because I don't feel like doing what I should be doing right now—there seems to be a very real chance that Oliver can't card Martinelli for the first infraction because he allowed play to be restarted. If he wanted to card him for the first, he needed to stop play in that instance and now allow it to resume, as it wasn't a quick free kick or a goal scoring opportunity. The IFAB rules are, of course, a word puzzle but there's enough grey area to say that it's possible he couldn't technically book him for both infractions due to the first happening as play was stopped/beginning to be restarted. I know, I know, advantage, but if we're following the rules so strictly now then it seems that may have been against the rules.

[jb12780]

***The Official Arsenal Gunners" Thread***

I’m so mad I fell asleep during the Wolves match.

Also, this finally came in the mail:

https://theretrokit.com/

Ships from China but the quality is unreal.

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[jb12780]

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[jb12780]

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Nervy ending but the goals scored today were top top quality.


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[Krebstar]

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Nervy ending but the goals scored today were top top quality.

When your two center backs are both 24 and your keeper is 23, that will happen, but what they've been able to do up until now is insane considering their age.

Also, missing your fantastic starting right back, who happens to only be 23 himself. Insane.

[jb12780]

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When your two center backs are both 24 and your keeper is 23, that will happen, but what they've been able to do up until now is insane considering their age.

Also, missing your fantastic starting right back, who happens to only be 23 himself. Insane.

To be fair Cedric has performed ok but yes when Tomiyasu returns it will be awesome.


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