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  • Leon
    An Old Trafford
    • Mar 2003
    • 4981

    #1816
    Re: The 2015-2016 EPL Discussion Thread

    Originally posted by dickey1331
    What would be the equivalent of Leicester City winning in America? Like the Browns winning the Super Bowl this year?
    I think that's pretty apt. Leicester just came out of nowhere this year after being in a relegation fight for most of last year and being out of the top-flight for how many years. If the Browns were suddenly contending in the NFL and found themselves in the Super Bowl in the upcoming season, that's as close a comparison as you're gonna get.
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    • dickey1331
      Everyday is Faceurary!
      • Sep 2009
      • 14285

      #1817
      Re: The 2015-2016 EPL Discussion Thread

      Originally posted by Leon
      I think that's pretty apt. Leicester just came out of nowhere this year after being in a relegation fight for most of last year and being out of the top-flight for how many years. If the Browns were suddenly contending in the NFL and found themselves in the Super Bowl in the upcoming season, that's as close a comparison as you're gonna get.

      I was looking at odds and I've seen anywhere between 2000/1 to 5000/1 odds of Leicester City winning when the season began. I don't know really anything about betting and how it compares from sport to sport but Holy Cross had 5000/1 odds of winning the NCAA tourney this year as a 16 seed. The Browns have a 200/1 odds of winning the Super Bowl this year.
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      • gopher_guy
        The Kaptain
        • Jul 2011
        • 7389

        #1818
        Re: The 2015-2016 EPL Discussion Thread

        I feel like the only real legitimate comparison would be if an expansion team full of scrub expansion draft players won a championship in one of the American sports.

        The Cavs are not a good example at all, IMO. I'm not an NBA guy at all, but to my knowledge, coming into the year, the Cavs had a mega star in their team, and two other guys who you can probably classify as "stars". That's nothing like the perception of Leicester coming into this season.
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        • ImTellinTim
          YNWA
          • Sep 2006
          • 33028

          #1819
          Re: The 2015-2016 EPL Discussion Thread

          But Leicester aren't full of scrubs...

          Congrats to them on their title. Because we all know even if they lose these 3 matches Spurs aren't going to capitalize.

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          • bhurst99
            All Star
            • Aug 2003
            • 9137

            #1820
            Re: The 2015-2016 EPL Discussion Thread

            Originally posted by dickey1331
            What would be the equivalent of Leicester City winning in America? Like the Browns winning the Super Bowl this year?
            I don't think you can even compare clubs in Europe and North America since there's no relegation/promotion. Leicester was in League One, two tiers below the Premier League, as recently as 2008/09. There were in the relegation zone for the Premier League last April.

            The Browns have been historically terrible but the NFL tries to level the field for all teams with the salary cap. Sooner or later you're going to have a good season. There are no such real efforts in the Premier League at a salary cap to balance the playing field.

            The two surprising recent seasons that come to my mind are the 1991 Minnesota Twins that went from last to World Series champions. But they had just won in 1987 so it's not really that comparable since Leicester has never won the title.

            Maybe a better comparison would the 1999 St. Louis Rams who won the Super Bowl, after finishing the previous season 4-12 and missed the playoffs the previous nine seasons. But again that's in a salary cap world.
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            • dickey1331
              Everyday is Faceurary!
              • Sep 2009
              • 14285

              #1821
              Re: The 2015-2016 EPL Discussion Thread

              Here's an ESPN article comparing the chances of it happening to recent teams. They are saying it would be the biggest upset in sports history

              Premier League leader Leicester City entered the season as a 5,000-1 underdog -- the same chance as a bet on Elvis being alive -- which is why the English soccer team could become the undisputed champion of beating the odds.
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              • PabloLFC
                Banned
                • Dec 2015
                • 638

                #1822
                Re: The 2015-2016 EPL Discussion Thread

                I'll have Istanbul after 50 minutes than Leicester winning the league all day.

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                • Leon
                  An Old Trafford
                  • Mar 2003
                  • 4981

                  #1823
                  Re: The 2015-2016 EPL Discussion Thread

                  Originally posted by PabloLFC
                  I'll have Istanbul after 50 minutes than Leicester winning the league all day.
                  A cup run is way different from the league though. Take nothing away from Istanbul, but Leicester have had to sustain this run for a while.
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                  • Zac
                    World-Class Diver
                    • Jan 2008
                    • 4269

                    #1824
                    Re: The 2015-2016 EPL Discussion Thread

                    Originally posted by dickey1331
                    Here's an ESPN article comparing the chances of it happening to recent teams. They are saying it would be the biggest upset in sports history

                    http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/stor...sports-history
                    LOL

                    Just how crazy is 5,000-1?Here are some other bets (legal in England, not the U.S.) offered at those odds by William Hill:

                    • • Elvis is found alive.
                    • • Yeti or Loch Ness Monster is proven to exist.
                    • • Christmas is the warmest day of the year in England.
                    • • Kanye West and Kim Kardashian name their next child Sinner.
                    • • Kim Kardashian becomes the U.S. president in 2020.
                    • • Barack Obama plays cricket for England after he leaves Oval Office.

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                    • Brahvocado
                      MVP
                      • Oct 2012
                      • 7480

                      #1825
                      Re: The 2015-2016 EPL Discussion Thread

                      Originally posted by PabloLFC
                      I'll have Istanbul after 50 minutes than Leicester winning the league all day.
                      Not even remotely comparable really, a team like Leicester sustaining a title challenge will go down as one of the greatest achievements in modern football.

                      Istanbul was an amazing comeback and achievement in itself obviously, but that is the nature of cup games; it's one game and anything can happen.

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                      • PabloLFC
                        Banned
                        • Dec 2015
                        • 638

                        #1826
                        Re: The 2015-2016 EPL Discussion Thread

                        No doubt, but it was 3 goals in 6 minutes against a team who had conceded 6 goals in the competition after 12 games. Istanbul wasn't through Milan performing poorly either, something Leicester have benefitted from massively.

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                        • Brahvocado
                          MVP
                          • Oct 2012
                          • 7480

                          #1827
                          Re: The 2015-2016 EPL Discussion Thread

                          Originally posted by PabloLFC
                          No doubt, but it was 3 goals in 6 minutes against a team who had conceded 6 goals in the competition after 12 games. Istanbul wasn't through Milan performing poorly either, something Leicester have benefitted from massively.
                          Leicester can only beat who is in front of them. If all it took was some underperformance from a few big boys then Liverpool would have won it by now.

                          Like I said, Istanbul was insane but it is still something that occurs much more frequently than a title run like Leicester's. It's a great moment for Liverpool, and certainly one you are entitled to enjoy, but that's just what it is; a great moment for Liverpool.

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                          • gopher_guy
                            The Kaptain
                            • Jul 2011
                            • 7389

                            #1828
                            Re: The 2015-2016 EPL Discussion Thread

                            Originally posted by ImTellinTim
                            But Leicester aren't full of scrubs...
                            Now. The perception of them before the season, though?
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                            • Leon
                              An Old Trafford
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 4981

                              #1829
                              Re: The 2015-2016 EPL Discussion Thread

                              Originally posted by PabloLFC
                              No doubt, but it was 3 goals in 6 minutes against a team who had conceded 6 goals in the competition after 12 games. Istanbul wasn't through Milan performing poorly either, something Leicester have benefitted from massively.
                              We really should put the "but these so and so clubs have under-performed!" argument to bed. The league as a whole is getting more competitive, as evidenced by results this season and the past few years. Leicester got results to put themselves in this position, while the rest, didn't. Simple as that.
                              Last edited by Leon; 04-27-2016, 01:30 AM.
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                              • Brahvocado
                                MVP
                                • Oct 2012
                                • 7480

                                #1830
                                Re: The 2015-2016 EPL Discussion Thread

                                Twice on a single page I agreed with Leon, think I'm just gonna call it on the internet for today.

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