The 2017-2018 EPL Discussion Thread

[Brahvocado]

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to bad they couldn't get to a champions league final with that billion dollar squad....

but yeah props to city for having fantastic season.

CL is way more about luck than simple spending, otherwise PSG would be doing better, same with United and even Barca recently.

Liverpool fans should know that pretty well.

[dubcity]

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I don't feel embarrassed. If they would have won the league by that much without spending a half a billion then maybe I'd be embarrassed. But this was expected after the summer City had.

If anything, United should feel embarrassed by their season.

Well, tragically they do not hand out trophies for teams that do well in spite of ownership not spending big money. No one cares or feels sorry for them.

[stlducks]

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Well, tragically they do not hand out trophies for teams that do well in spite of ownership not spending big money. No one cares or feels sorry for them.

And nobody says they should. But I also don't feel the need to praise a team like City for winning the way they do. I will always admit Pep is a great manager, but I hate the "throw money at it" solution his clubs always have.

[dubcity]

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And nobody says they should. But I also don't feel the need to praise a team like City for winning the way they do. I will always admit Pep is a great manager, but I hate the "throw money at it" solution his clubs always have.

I would agree, except every year we see teams throwing money around winning nothing, let alone 100 points and a league title. It takes a certain manager to deal with big money players and not be ignored, resented or laughed at.

[ZeroTheHero]

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Managing a big team with great players is one thing but that excessive purchase strategy some clubs have adopted is way too much and they deserve to be poked at for it. Football is better off without those clubs in the long run.

[stevostl]

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CL is way more about luck than simple spending, otherwise PSG would be doing better, same with United and even Barca recently.

Liverpool fans should know that pretty well.

so it was luck that Liverpool beat City's asssss then 3 times this year? ok... lol

no Champions league is more about history than it is luck. Chelsea fans should know this as they have little history in europe

clubs like City and PSG are not doing well in Europe because they have no history of dominating in Europe yet. their supporters do not get it either. Liverpool supporters know what it is like and they make it unlike anywhere else on a big European nights at Anfield... because of this they thrive in European competitions... that means more than your so called luck without a doubt. Liverpool get lucky an awful a lot it seems in Europe for some reason.

I guess Real Madrid is the luckiest club in the world then with 12 European titles...hopefully their luck runs out May 26th.

[stlducks]

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so it was luck that Liverpool beat City's asssss then 3 times this year? ok... lol

no Champions league is more about history and respect more than it is luck. Chelsea fans should know this as they have no history in europe

clubs like City and PSG are not doing well in Europe because they have no history of dominating in Europe yet. It means a lot. Liverpool get lucky an awful a lot it seems in Europe for some reason

It wasn't luck that Liverpool beat City. But you're crazy if you're saying Liverpool's history was the reason they had the easiest group and then had the easiest draws every round outside of the City match. I don't think they put history into the balls they draw out..

The main thing I can't stand about Liverpool is how they always bring up history in today's debates. History isn't winning you anything now a days.

I guess if history decides who wins CL, Madrid are going to win it again this year.

[stevostl]

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It wasn't luck that Liverpool beat City. But you're crazy if you're saying Liverpool's history was the reason they had the easiest group and then had the easiest draws every round outside of the City match. I don't think they put history into the balls they draw out..

The main thing I can't stand about Liverpool is how they always bring up history in today's debates. History isn't winning you anything now a days.

I guess if history decides who wins CL, Madrid are going to win it again this year.

i'm just telling you how I think of luck vs that... history in europe does mean something. City and PSG have not done it yet and have very little history in the competition as a club. Does that mean they can't win it ? No... History in the competition means more than luck. those clubs are just now starting their history in the competition and building upon it. Their supporters don't even know how to act during big moments to help push their team thru. Liverpool has beaten many teams better than them in Europe over the years primarily because of the supporters and history of knowing you can do it. You're a cardinals fans right... ? So might be able to relate to what I"m talking about on a smaller level. It's similar with the Cardinals over the years in winning in the playoffs. They have a loyal fan base that beliefs and history of winning... Do not believe in Cardinal history or a history of winning in the playoffs means anything at all? Do you think it's more SO lucky that the Cards won the world series in 2012 after being wild card? well imagine that except much larger scale.. .alls I'm saying is to me that means more than his so called luck he was talking about in competition like that. if you want to call me call me crazy and disagree on that.. that's fine.. don't really matter to me

AND I'm not saying Liverpool are in the final just because of that or anything like that either. I'm just debating the fact that it helps more than just luck to me. I have seen it happen many times.

Like I said... Liverpool must be lucky a lot in Europe for some reason.

and by the way I did say before and I believe in this thread even that you do need some luck to get thru to the final.. of course.

[stlducks]

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i'm just telling you how it is... history in eruope does mean something. City and PSG have not done it yet. Their supporters don't even know how to act during big moments to help push their team thru. Liverpool has beaten many teams better than them in Europe over the years primarily because of the supporters and history of knowing you can do it. You're a cardinals fans right... ? So might be able to relate to what I"m talking about on a smaller level. It's similar with the Cardinals over the years in winning in the playoffs. They have a loyal fan base that beliefs and history of winning... alls I'm saying is to me that means more than his so called luck he was talking about in competition like that. if you want to call me call me crazy disagree on that.. that's fine..

I'm not saying Liverpool are in the final just because of that or anything like that either. I'm just debating the fact that it means more than luck to me. I have seen it happen many times.

Like I said... Liverpool must be lucky a lot in Europe for some reason.

I understand that because like you said, I am a Cardinals fan and they would be the best MLB team to relate to Liverpool IMO. They win often without spending crazy money.

But with me saying that, I believe people saying Champions League is a lot of luck are right too. Because it does take luck to get an easy draw. Even top managers say it, that is why winning the league is more impressive then winning champions league. You have to be good for 10 months and not just a few games.

[stlducks]

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But back to the Premier League as I'm sure we will talk more about CL these next few weeks. Here are some interesting Opta stats on the season that fotmob posted.

1*- Having been at the summit following their opening game of the season, Huddersfield Town have ended more days top of the Premier League (1) than Tottenham (0) since September 1,*2014.

10*- West Brom were relegated from the top-flight for the 10th time – only fellow Midlands clubs Leicester (11) and Birmingham (12) have been relegated more often.

4869*- Wayne Rooney set a new Premier League record for the longest gap between goals for a single team in the competition (4869 days) when he scored for Everton on the opening day of the season against Stoke City.

0**- Frank de Boer became the first permanent manager in Premier League history to not see his team score a single goal during his reign (four games, zero goals).

24**- Manchester City won the most points in matches between the big six with 24, Arsenal claimed the fewest (6).

3**- Liverpool became the first team to beat a Pep Guardiola side three times in a single season, winning*their Premier League meeting with Manchester City in January and beating them twice in the Champions League.

898*- Harry Kane has now gone 898 minutes without scoring a single Premier League goal in the month of August, despite playing 13 games and attempting 44 shots in that time.

6*- Jamie Vardy scored against each of Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester City, Manchester United and Tottenham this term, becoming the first player to score against all six in a single Premier League season.

28**- Burnley won*more away points*this season than they had in their previous three Premier League campaigns combined (5 wins, 25 points).

7*- Sam Allardyce became the first manager to take charge of seven Premier League clubs when he was appointed at Everton, having previously managed*Bolton, Newcastle United, Blackburn, West Ham, Sunderland and Crystal Palace.

[dubcity]

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Managing a big team with great players is one thing but that excessive purchase strategy some clubs have adopted is way too much and they deserve to be poked at for it. Football is better off without those clubs in the long run.

Won't speak to whether football overall would be better off, but the Premier league overall would certainly not be better off with teams not spending big money and bringing stars from around the world into their product.

[Brahvocado]

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so it was luck that Liverpool beat City's asssss then 3 times this year? ok... lol

no Champions league is more about history than it is luck. Chelsea fans should know this as they have little history in europe

clubs like City and PSG are not doing well in Europe because they have no history of dominating in Europe yet. their supporters do not get it either. Liverpool supporters know what it is like and they make it unlike anywhere else on a big European nights at Anfield... because of this they thrive in European competitions... that means more than your so called luck without a doubt. Liverpool get lucky an awful a lot it seems in Europe for some reason.

I guess Real Madrid is the luckiest club in the world then with 12 European titles...hopefully their luck runs out May 26th.

Of course it’s not all luck, but there is far more luck involved in winning the CL than say a league title, just because of the knockout format.

You can’t really say City doesn’t win due to lack of history though. We didn’t have any history of dominating in Europe either, and when Roman bought us we immediately started stomping teams out. By the time we won it in 2012 we had already been to 5 semifinals and 1 CL Final training match as unfortunately the final that year had been canceled. We didn’t have much history, but we sure did make a lot of it in the past two decades.

Also a bit disingenuous to say Liverpool must be lucky a lot, since you’ve only won it once in any sort of relevant time period. If history played such a big role, then the semifinals would just be Real Madrid, Liverpool, Milan and Barca every year.

And anyway, my comment wasn’t about this season hahaha. I was referencing Istanbul, figured Liverpool fans of all people would be able to comment about how luck can play a big role in a CL win.

[ZeroTheHero]

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Won't speak to whether football overall would be better off, but the Premier league overall would certainly not be better off with teams not spending big money and bringing stars from around the world into their product.

Key word; Excessive

Besides, buying players from other Premier League clubs doesn't bring more stars to the league.

[KG]

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Please save us Real Madrid

[jesmith29]

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Please save us Real Madrid

Come on KG, let's not bicker over who killed who. It's suppose to be a festive occasion.