The 2017-2018 EPL Discussion Thread

[Krebstar]

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Apparently Spurs released ST prices for next year at the new digs, and fans are upset.

Did they expect things to get cheaper with their club building a new stadium?

I'm sure they were all sold a load of **** about how the new stadium will increase their ability to succeed and all that nonsense—sounds familiar. Really, it was just an investment to make the club an even more financially lucrative purchase, right? Isn't that what Levy has been setting up for years with the financial decisions? An eventual massive sale of a financially stable club for a huge profit?

[stlducks]

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Did they expect things to get cheaper with their club building a new stadium?

That's the tricky thing going on all over Europe. Fans don't realize getting a new stadium means process will go up. This is something we have been dealing with in America for years but it seems new to European fans.

You can't blame a club for building a new stadium and increasing prices to pay for the players and stadium. If they don't increase prices and then can't spend big on transfers, fans will complain. If they increase prices to improve the club, fans complain. It's a no win.

Same goes with name and sponsor rights. Fans don't want a big sponsor name on the stadium but also want Spurs to use a sponsor that will pay big. You can't have it both ways.

[ImTellinTim]

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Something that's interesting to me, is that there seems to be a growing gap between fans and clubs, especially in the Premier League. As an American, I'm obviously viewing from afar, so my analysis has the potential to be far off, but it seems like it's going the route of American Hockey. If you ever check out the lower bowl of a hockey game it's nearly always business people suited up. Most of the people who would be/are diehard hockey fans are stuck in the upper reaches where tickets are at least reasonably priced.

A bit off topic, but that's not how the lower bowl of a hockey game looks in places like Minnesota, Chicago, all the Canadian teams, Boston, etc. The good hockey markets.

As for the ticket prices in the EPL for the big teams....they priced the locals out a long, long time ago and the atmosphere at the games in a lot of those big stadiums has suffered. There are few places as rocking as Anfield on a big European or EPL night. But the dirty secret is the crowd is terrible for pretty much any other game. Especially when you compare it to Germany where there is a conscious effort to keep tickets affordable.

[Suntan Superman]

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Did they expect things to get cheaper with their club building a new stadium?

I'm sure they were all sold a load of **** about how the new stadium will increase their ability to succeed and all that nonsense—sounds familiar. Really, it was just an investment to make the club an even more financially lucrative purchase, right? Isn't that what Levy has been setting up for years with the financial decisions? An eventual massive sale of a financially stable club for a huge profit?

the general consensus that I've heard in that regard is that everyone knew prices would go up, they aren't mad about that, they're mad about the rate at which they went up, as well as the supposedly complicated structure of ST rates(I haven't looked into it because I'm not concerned that much about it)

[Suntan Superman]

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That's the tricky thing going on all over Europe. Fans don't realize getting a new stadium means process will go up. This is something we have been dealing with in America for years but it seems new to European fans.

You can't blame a club for building a new stadium and increasing prices to pay for the players and stadium. If they don't increase prices and then can't spend big on transfers, fans will complain. If they increase prices to improve the club, fans complain. It's a no win.

Same goes with name and sponsor rights. Fans don't want a big sponsor name on the stadium but also want Spurs to use a sponsor that will pay big. You can't have it both ways.

In America it's even worse, because the people having to pay increased prices are often the ones required to foot a percentage of the bill to even build the new stadium/arena.

[Suntan Superman]

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A bit off topic, but that's not how the lower bowl of a hockey game looks in places like Minnesota, Chicago, all the Canadian teams, Boston, etc. The good hockey markets.

As for the ticket prices in the EPL for the big teams....they priced the locals out a long, long time ago and the atmosphere at the games in a lot of those big stadiums has suffered. There are few places as rocking as Anfield on a big European or EPL night. But the dirty secret is the crowd is terrible for pretty much any other game. Especially when you compare it to Germany where there is a conscious effort to keep tickets affordable.

Toronto is at least notorious for suits, and Xcel has been getting worse in that regard, but yeah, there are still some bastions of hope in that regard.

I love Germany so much when it comes to football. There's very little that makes me feel bad outside of Bayern signing everyone and RB Leipzig.

[ImTellinTim]

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In America it's even worse, because the people having to pay increased prices are often the ones required to foot a percentage of the bill to even build the new stadium/arena.

Through both taxes and PSLs. It's ridiculous how much money the billionaire owners are able to squeeze out of the public to increase their value.

[KG]

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Toronto is at least notorious for suits, and Xcel has been getting worse in that regard, but yeah, there are still some bastions of hope in that regard.



I love Germany so much when it comes to football. There's very little that makes me feel bad outside of Bayern signing everyone and RB Leipzig.

See I think your last point renders all of the positives null and void. Not too mention I’ve read a lot of evidence that points towards German clubs not being as financially stable as they lead on.

To me it’s almost worse. Yeah you keep ticket prices affordable but what kind of ambition does your club have? Maybe you’ll invest like Wolfsburg did a few years back but look at what they did (or didn’t do) with the KDB, Rodriguez, Schurlle, etc... money.


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[Suntan Superman]

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See I think your last point renders all of the positives null and void. Not too mention I’ve read a lot of evidence that points towards German clubs not being as financially stable as they lead on.

To me it’s almost worse. Yeah you keep ticket prices affordable but what kind of ambition does your club have? Maybe you’ll invest like Wolfsburg did a few years back but look at what they did (or didn’t do) with the KDB, Rodriguez, Schurlle, etc... money.


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the Financial stability issues will always be relevant because of how Germany views the game it's an unfortunate truth, but with larger TV deals on the way it should mitigate some of that. It's not perfect by any means, but I enjoy reading/watching/learning more about it than the Premier League.

[stlducks]

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Here is a good article on the Spurs new ground.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5495865/Tottenham-supporters-group-hit-ticket-prices-new-stadium.html

My biggest take away is how cheap (compared to American sports) the season tickets actually are. Around £1,000 is the average ticket, that doesn't seem very high for 19+ games a year.

The most expensive tickets include the special features that were added like the 1882 suite, exclusive bar, complimentary food and drinks, etc. I'm not for it, but I get it. My favorite thing about the new stadium is the Veterans program, which again, increased ticket prices will help fund.

Like I said before, it sucks clubs are doing this but it's the new norm. Just because TV revenue is going up, doesn't mean tickets are supposed to go down. Cost of players and running the club are also going up.

[KG]

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the Financial stability issues will always be relevant because of how Germany views the game it's an unfortunate truth, but with larger TV deals on the way it should mitigate some of that. It's not perfect by any means, but I enjoy reading/watching/learning more about it than the Premier League.

I wasn’t disagreeing with you Suntan per se, I just think that apart from low ticket prices which drives attendance #’s up what good is financial stability (from a fans perspective) when you’re a feeder club.

Look at La Liga for example. Most of the clubs in the league are struggling financially, even Barca to a degree yet they’re still in the same position when you consider that most of the clubs are feeders to Barca & Real. Even Atletico gets poached. At least EPL clubs have shown a willingness to hold onto their players this year.

2 league’s, different financial bottom lines, pretty much the same competitive landscape.


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[KG]

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Lol at Mou saying United have “no football heritage”.

They have nearly all of the English heritage.

This is going to end gloriously.


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[stlducks]

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Lol at Mou saying United have “no football heritage”.

They have nearly all of the English heritage.

This is going to end gloriously.


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I'm convinced he's losing his mind the past 2 seasons.

[Brahvocado]

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Lol at Mou saying United have “no football heritage”.

They have nearly all of the English heritage.

This is going to end gloriously.


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Think he was talking about the post-Fergie era? In which case he is definitely right.

Although it is definitely funny to hear a United manager say that when you remember that Fergie was asked if City would ever be seen as a bigger and better club than United and he said "not in my lifetime".

[KG]

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Think he was talking about the post-Fergie era? In which case he is definitely right.



Although it is definitely funny to hear a United manager say that when you remember that Fergie was asked if City would ever be seen as a bigger and better club than United and he said "not in my lifetime".

Yeah he was because he mentioned the specific ties they lost post Fergie but still, you’re at the 3rd biggest club in the world and you’re talking like your managing Everton.


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