2019-20 UEFA Competitions Thread

[Keirik]

Re: 2019-20 UEFA Competitions Thread

Two of my most disliked players are Neymar and Di Maria do anyone but PSG is cool with me

[rdnk]

Re: 2019-20 UEFA Competitions Thread

I understand that it's not all that different from PSG/City/other clubs, but I just really dislike how Red Bull centric their branding is, and I dislike that it feels like a full corporate team instead of like a team representing Leipzig.

It's nice having a team in ex-East Germany that can compete in the Bundesliga. All the classic DDR teams got hosed during the reunification carpetbagging style. Would having one of Loko, Chemie or Sachsen Leipzig in the Bundesliga be better? Sure. It's just not that realistic with the way the system is set up, even now. If I get to have a team in my city after all these years, then I'm fine with the RB logo on it.

I'd argue that Leipzig is more pure than PSG or City, as they aren't successful due to oil money, but due to good scouting, transfers, coaching and development. Due to FFP, they haven't been able to wield RB's money in the same way. Bayern probably spends more corporate money on their team than RB on their's.

[Suntan Superman]

Re: 2019-20 UEFA Competitions Thread

It's nice having a team in ex-East Germany that can compete in the Bundesliga. All the classic DDR teams got hosed during the reunification carpetbagging style. Would having one of Loko, Chemie or Sachsen Leipzig in the Bundesliga be better? Sure. It's just not that realistic with the way the system is set up, even now. If I get to have a team in my city after all these years, then I'm fine with the RB logo on it.

I'd argue that Leipzig is more pure than PSG or City, as they aren't successful due to oil money, but due to good scouting, transfers, coaching and development. Due to FFP, they haven't been able to wield RB's money in the same way. Bayern probably spends more corporate money on their team than RB on their's.

I'm not saying my feelings are correct, but on a personal level, it would go a long way for me, if they actually just had a normal name. I don't honestly have an issue with the way City/PSG do things, as... soulless as it is with just spending ill-gotten money to field the "best teams" but like, the aesthetic of the clubs allows me to put that in the back of mind. If they were some stupid name like "FC Leipzig" and just had a Red Bull sponsor and a nice coat of arms crest or something like that, I think I could jump that mental hurdle a lot easier.


Just again, this is 100% personal feeling, as I don't really have ties to Germany or German Football, or well any real reason to hate them for their circumvention of the 50+1 rule, or whatever else, I just hate the fact that they are in my face with their corporation.

[Krebstar]

Re: 2019-20 UEFA Competitions Thread

I’m far less bothered by a football club acting as a brand extension/PR division of a global beverage than a nation with an appalling human rights record.

Transfer business aside, I’d prefer corporate ownership above state-owned clubs, everyday.

[Suntan Superman]

Re: 2019-20 UEFA Competitions Thread

I’m far less bothered by a football club acting as a brand extension/PR division of a global beverage than a nation with an appalling human rights record.

Transfer business aside, I’d prefer corporate ownership above state-owned clubs, everyday.

I mean, in the grand scheme, I definitely agree, hence my position on Arsenal working with Rwanda, and it's "apolitical club" status, when it comes to the murder of muslims in China. Ultimately, like KG pointed out, if I look at every club on a moral compass, I'm going to find a reason to dislike them. In that moment I didn't disagree with him but instead said it was about the suspension of disbelief for me, basically. As awful as it may be, it's easier to look away when the things you dislike aren't immediately in front of your face.

In the grand scheme, when you sit me down, Leipzig may come up in the discussion but I'll have much less hate for them. During a game my dislike for them will find it's way to the forefront because there's no illusion.

Finally, just because of the TOS I most likely won't talk about this much more, because I'm sure we're all aware of the overall depth of the topic, and the potential for harm. I'm not saying I'm right, just explaining my feelings in the moment of watching a football match.

[KG]

Re: 2019-20 UEFA Competitions Thread

Why would you want PSG to win as a Chelsea fan?

Think Barca is the only team outside the Prem that I dislike more than PSG.

I look at it like... we beat them once, they beat us once, and then we beat ourselves thanks to Mou. Up a man for ~70 minutes after Zlatan and we couldn't beat them because Mou wouldn't adjust. Just like when we lost to Atletico before that and Jose had Eden out there trying to defend.

But I'm more anti-old guard than anything. We "ruined" football in the mid 2000s and City/PSG just took it to a new level. I can't get too upset at clubs whose owners, however shady they might be and there probably aren't many "shadier" than Roman, dump insane levels of money into the club.

I also like Neymar and PSG winning would piss off so many people.

A Lyon-PSG "farmer's league" Final?

Oui!

[Krebstar]

Re: 2019-20 UEFA Competitions Thread

Finally, just because of the TOS I most likely won't talk about this much more, because I'm sure we're all aware of the overall depth of the topic, and the potential for harm. I'm not saying I'm right, just explaining my feelings in the moment of watching a football match.

The fact that we can even get this deep into it in a constructive and objective way is why I'll be sad if this forum ever disappears.

[stlducks]

Re: 2019-20 UEFA Competitions Thread

I look at clubs much like I look at players or companies. The less I know about them behind the scenes, the better. I know Disney, Nike, Apple, Google, and the like are all shady behind the scenes and I'm sure they do terrible things. But for things I enjoy, I need those products/companies.


I know Leipzig are shady but I'm sure Tottenham are behind the scenes too just like every club so I try keeping my views simple on them all. I do not enjoy teams that just buy world class players. As far as I know, Leipzig buy and develop players which IMO is better than what PSG do.


I could be completely off on that but that's how I view it without researching each club and that simple mindset makes me satisfied enough to watch each team without anger.


I did not know about the Arsenal situation with Muslim's in China until I recently read an Ozil interview. I was more upset with the lack of loyalty to their player than anything just because I know as a club, there is very little Arsenal can do about the issues in China. It's more a political matter than a sport matter.

[Brahvocado]

Re: 2019-20 UEFA Competitions Thread

In terms of sheer involvement in shady practices, Nike and Adidas are really only "bested" by PSG and City's owners. If people really cared about the morality of ownership then there would be far more discussion about Nike and Adidas too, but mostly people hate PSG and City because they spend a lot of money.

[Suntan Superman]

Re: 2019-20 UEFA Competitions Thread

I did not know about the Arsenal situation with Muslim's in China until I recently read an Ozil interview. I was more upset with the lack of loyalty to their player than anything just because I know as a club, there is very little Arsenal can do about the issues in China. It's more a political matter than a sport matter.

I mean, to be clear, I do not expect Arsenal to do anything about it. I'm not entirely certain I relayed this message here, but if they had said nothing and moved on from the comments, I would've been less disillusioned with them because of exactly what you said, there's not a whole lot they can do to fix the issue.




If I believed that just buying the best players, year after year, window after window, was the guarantee for success, I think I'd hate City/PSG more, but it's clearly not, outside of potentially the domestic league, and it's also fun to have a 'bad guy' in the regard of not liking the way they go about their business.

[stlducks]

Re: 2019-20 UEFA Competitions Thread

I mean, to be clear, I do not expect Arsenal to do anything about it. I'm not entirely certain I relayed this message here, but if they had said nothing and moved on from the comments, I would've been less disillusioned with them because of exactly what you said, there's not a whole lot they can do to fix the issue.




If I believed that just buying the best players, year after year, window after window, was the guarantee for success, I think I'd hate City/PSG more, but it's clearly not, outside of potentially the domestic league, and it's also fun to have a 'bad guy' in the regard of not liking the way they go about their business.

I agree, it is fun to have the bad guy and that is why while I really despise the City/PSG type clubs. I enjoy having them, as weird as that sounds. If all the great clubs were built like the current Liverpool squad, it wouldn't be as fun. As much as I don't like Klopp at times, there is really nothing negative you can say about the club for why they are so good.


Cheering against teams is just as fun as cheering for teams IMO.

[KG]

Re: 2019-20 UEFA Competitions Thread

Wow

You can not afford to miss those kind of chances.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Zac]

Re: 2019-20 UEFA Competitions Thread

How is Lyon not 2-0 up. My word.

[Zac]

Re: 2019-20 UEFA Competitions Thread

And then Gnabry with a world beater.

[Suntan Superman]

Re: 2019-20 UEFA Competitions Thread

my love affair with Serge Gnabry, will continue after these messages