2022-23 UEFA Competitions Thread

[KG]

2022-23 UEFA Competitions Thread

I’m absolutely not opposed to hating but let’s keep it accurate in here at least lads.

City does a lot of things but lavish spending isn’t one of them.

I’m not sure if you’re serious Brahv [emoji23]

Oh nvm you are lol

They did drop 100 mil on Grealish 2 summers ago and they’ll probably pay whatever Dortmund wants for Jude. 50 mil a few years back for Bernardo Silva, 65 for Laporte, ~60 for Mendy, 70 for Mahrez, 70 for Rodri, 60ish for Cancelo, 70 for Dias, ~45 for Ake, etc…


They just hit on a lot of them because they have the best manager in the world.


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[Krebstar]

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They did drop 100 mil on Grealish 2 summers ago and they’ll probably pay whatever Dortmund wants for Jude. 50 mil a few years back for Bernardo Silva, 65 for Laporte, ~60 for Mendy, 70 for Mahrez, 70 for Rodri, 60ish for Cancelo, 70 for Dias, ~45 for Ake, etc…

Hey, £42m Kalvin Phillips demands to be more than 'etc', bud.

[Brahvocado]

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I’m not sure if you’re serious Brahv [emoji23]

Oh nvm you are lol

They did drop 100 mil on Grealish 2 summers ago and they’ll probably pay whatever Dortmund wants for Jude. 50 mil a few years back for Bernardo Silva, 65 for Laporte, ~60 for Mendy, 70 for Mahrez, 70 for Rodri, 60ish for Cancelo, 70 for Dias, ~45 for Ake, etc…


They just hit on a lot of them because they have the best manager in the world.


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I probably should have said I meant they don’t spend lavishly compared to the rest of the big teams.

They are typically barely in the top 10 in the premier league for net spend. I’m not saying they don’t spend a lot, just that they don’t really spend that much these days compared to the rest of the big boys.

Truthfully, you could probably call the entire premier league lavish spenders compared to everyone else.

But yeah idk, lots more to talk about City than their spending imo. It ends up detracting from genuinely good points you could make because, the reality is, all the rest of the big 6 comfortably outspend them and that becomes the argument instead of things that should actually be discussed.

[dubcity]

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We see teams spend big money and struggle to do ANYTHING on the pitch. Pep and City deserve all the credit. I stopped listening to the pay-to-win rationalizing/minimizing a while back. He is just that good of a manager, and what he has achieved in that league is astounding.

[KG]

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I probably should have said I meant they don’t spend lavishly compared to the rest of the big teams.

They are typically barely in the top 10 in the premier league for net spend. I’m not saying they don’t spend a lot, just that they don’t really spend that much these days compared to the rest of the big boys.

Truthfully, you could probably call the entire premier league lavish spenders compared to everyone else.

But yeah idk, lots more to talk about City than their spending imo. It ends up detracting from genuinely good points you could make because, the reality is, all the rest of the big 6 comfortably outspend them and that becomes the argument instead of things that should actually be discussed.

Naa Brahv....they spend A LOT but they typically sell at least 1 big player a year (Sterling/Sane/Torres) which makes their net spend look good. Kreb pointed it out before but it's worth repeating about the agent fees. Nearly every established PL side could afford Halaand's release clause but only 2 (us & City) could really afford his agent fees and wages. Net spend and all that sounds great but it doesn't take into account the other costs, amortizations, etc...

We see teams spend big money and struggle to do ANYTHING on the pitch. Pep and City deserve all the credit. I stopped listening to the pay-to-win rationalizing/minimizing a while back. He is just that good of a manager, and what he has achieved in that league is astounding.

I agree that Pep is that good of a manager BUT none of that stuff happens without the $. You'll never hear me say that Chelsea didn't buy their success. Without Roman pumping $ into Chelsea we'd be a better Spurs in that we'd mount Top 4 challenges with the difference being we were always pretty strong in the domestic cups. Same with clubs like Liverpool & United. They just had $ before everyone else so they built their history before. No knock on them but you can't turn a blind eye to the fact that $ = success. Just look at the fall of Serie A and clubs like Milan.

[Brahvocado]

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Naa Brahv....they spend A LOT but they typically sell at least 1 big player a year (Sterling/Sane/Torres) which makes their net spend look good. Kreb pointed it out before but it's worth repeating about the agent fees. Nearly every established PL side could afford Halaand's release clause but only 2 (us & City) could really afford his agent fees and wages. Net spend and all that sounds great but it doesn't take into account the other costs, amortizations, etc...



I agree that Pep is that good of a manager BUT none of that stuff happens without the $. You'll never hear me say that Chelsea didn't buy their success. Without Roman pumping $ into Chelsea we'd be a better Spurs in that we'd mount Top 4 challenges with the difference being we were always pretty strong in the domestic cups. Same with clubs like Liverpool & United. They just had $ before everyone else so they built their history before. No knock on them but you can't turn a blind eye to the fact that $ = success. Just look at the fall of Serie A and clubs like Milan.

Idk maybe it’s just me then that remembers how bet spend was the stick with which Chelsea was beaten for years until we got good at selling players we didn’t need for bigger fees.

I think we sort of all agree about the money thing, even Kreb. Top of the game has been gatekept by money and the old boys club for decades, the only way in has been to outspend them.

Just funny to to see articles like “4 titles in 5 years, are City literally ruining my life???” But like, United under Ferguson won what, 13 titles in 20 years? Did 4 in a row at least once and only wasn’t 5 because of City’s first lmao. Definitely don’t remember any such articles about United.

[Krebstar]

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I think we sort of all agree about the money thing, even Kreb.

I do want to go on record and state I think Arsenal also spend lavishly (you have to in order to make anything resembling a title challenge in the current era)—just not anything close to City, because as KG pointed out, things like agent fees often get overlooked. Also, just because you sold well doesn't mean you didn't spend big.

Really, to me the biggest issues are City and Newcastle because nobody in the league can spend like they can when they want to. As we've seen, yes, Chelsea under The Todd will drop stupid money in stupid ways but it won't continue and only two clubs (City and Newcastle) can actually spend as much as they want to. For clubs like Arsenal, there's an absolute limit.

Now...if the latest charges against City stick, then perhaps there's some kind of hope. But with the prospect of Qatar owning Manchester United, I think I speak for most of us when I say that hope seems to be dwindling.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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What’s Arsenal’s reason for not wanting to spend as much as the others?

[Krebstar]

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What’s Arsenal’s reason for not wanting to spend as much as the others?

They can’t.

There’s a difference between billions and a nation. Nobody can outspend City, Newcastle, or PSG if those clubs have their sights set. There’s also a difference between lots of money and enough money to get away with whatever you want.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Ehh I’m not grouping Newcastle with those 2 clubs just yet until they’ve actually done something.

But right now, they’re just a club with a rich “Owner” and I’ve seen plenty of those in all my years watching pro Sports and more times than not, those types usually come up short barring some luck.

[ImTellinTim]

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Newcastle is not just owned by a rich owner. They’re owned through a fund of which the sole purpose is to spend the Saudi Arabian government’s money to make Saudi Arabia look good. It’s the same fund that bankrolls LIV golf. It’s worth $620 Billion dollars.

It’s only a matter of time because with that kind of money you can just keep making mistakes until it works.

EDIT - I can see why one might not put them on the same level in terms of accomplishments, but they are absolutely on the same level in terms of being able to offer contracts that players can't refuse. The main difference with City is that their depth is paid like starters at all other clubs. Other top clubs might have 2/3 guys on the bench that are at a level to start for any other club if they're lucky. City has a full bench of them plus some.

I haven't actually watched a full City match outside Liverpool in I don't even know how long. They are extremely boring to me.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Yo KG you see this lmao

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cs66E5BpBJU/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

[southernmetalhead]

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Of course Sevilla won the Europa League.

[bhurst99]

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Of course Sevilla won the Europa League.

They should just rename the competition after Sevilla at this point, something like the Sevilla Cup.

[Brahvocado]

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Definitely getting a bit sick of hearing about the Sevilla Europa league juju or whatever.

They had 2 shots on target in 148 minutes of soccer and won on penalties after Roma scored on themselves, while two sevilla players escaped red cards and Roma didn’t get a penalty.

Sevilla players got away without bookings the entire game for the same things Roma players were instantly booked for. Same thing happened when they played Juve and United too.

It’s not dominance lol, ref’s literally just let them get away with whatever. The only way to beat them is to play their game and hope the ref goes along with it.

Spanish teams in Europe have been incredible, but they also get favored MASSIVELY by refs. Ask a Liverpool fan about their Europa tie with Villarreal.