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Old 08-24-2017, 10:46 AM   #9
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Re: Difficulty - All-Pro vs. All-Madden

When you just look at single games in a vacuum, all pro gives such a better game. Your TDs are because you made the right read, players play to their ratings, etc. It just feels better in every way.

The problem with all pro comes down the road when you realize you are 13-3 with a sub par team.

Each game plays beautifully until you realize that every game you played was like the real life team playing their best game of the season.

I've heard that all pro is harder this year, but I'm skeptical because I've heard that before. Rex has a habit of each year hyping up how he lost to the AI on AP.

My advice is to stick with all madden and maybe lower the AI int slider and rush defense slider. Having a goal of keeping the other team below 24 is rather realistic, puts you right at middle of the pack I think.
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Old 08-24-2017, 10:59 AM   #10
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Rubber band AI. The CPU will become near unstoppable when it decides it's time to score to keep the game competitive.

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Old 08-24-2017, 05:57 PM   #12
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I don't understand why people still try to play on All-Madden. We've known for what, 15 years that the CPU blatantly cheats? And that your own players are dumbed down? How is that fun or realistic?
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Old 08-24-2017, 07:27 PM   #13
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I've played Madden and bought it every year for over 20 years with the exception of 1-2 years of NFL 2k on Dreamcast. And for as long as I can remember, I've been stuck in this hell where All Pro is way too easy, and All Madden is way too hard and not enjoyable at all. And the only thing I hate worse is tinkering with sliders.

All Pro is by far the most realistic when it comes to stats, with the exception of the stat of Wins/Losses, because if I play with a decent team, its very hard to nearly impossible to lose. Offense is just too easy to play on All Pro. Defense is pretty balanced IMO. Unfortunately of All Pro, I feel like its the complete opposite. On offense, I'm challenged, but I can still score at a realistic rate, but on defense, the CPU is nearly unstoppable.

I don't get it. There are tons of people stuck in this situation, and there are several simple answers. Why, in 20 years, do we still have the same difficulty levels. Why can't there be a level in between the two? Why can't you have separate offense/defense difficulty levels (for me All Pro on D and All Madden on O would be perfect). NCAA had separate difficulty levels for O/D. Madden had something like that TEN YEARS AGO where you could set difficulty (1-10) for 4 different aspects of the game (run O, pass O, run d, pass d).

I'm not a programmer, so maybe I don't fully understand this, but I just don't get why this feature is so difficult. If the game could do this 10 years ago, why today can they not let you choose All Madden or All Pro separately for at least O/D, even if they cant do so individually for run/pass. I just don't understand it. And people have been asking for a difficulty level between the two for ages.

Madden has made amazing progress in recent years, but its very annoying to a longterm player of the series that this game is basically unplayable from a fun standpoint after a season or two in franchise mode because of how easy all pro is, and how hard (and cheap) all madden is.

Frankly, the developers, who I think are doing a great job otherwise, honestly should be embarrassed they regressed from the difficulty system they had 10 years ago, and are using the same 4 tiered difficulty system that is 20 years old. It's flat out sad.
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Old 08-24-2017, 07:36 PM   #14
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That rant being over, last years Madden was the most I've played the series in over a decade, and there was one reason that fixed the All Pro / All Madden ridiculousness.... Play the Moment.

Yes, I'd rather actually play the games. But by having the game simmed for some of the parts, it kept me from dominating the game on every drive. It still got to the point where I could run the table on All Pro eventually, but it still made it at least possible to lose a game or two every year. And I could pull out some victories on All Madden because during sim, my defense would get some stops at some point.

Overall, Play the Moment made he game more playable than anytime in the past decade. I want so badly to play the whole game and make it enjoyable, but I doubt that will happen until the dev's fix this whole All Pro/All Madden BS.

If anyone is really stuck between the two difficulties and hates dominating All Pro while at the same time hates feeling cheated on All Madden, one fun way I played last year which had me even missing the playoffs some years was like this:

All home games: Play the moment, All Pro
All away games: Play the moment, All Madden
Playoffs: PTM, difficulty based on home/away
Super Bowl: Play the whole game, All Madden

That system gave me a challenge, and simmed in a way the difficulty of winning on the road. I'd still lose the occaisional home game, and I'd win some on the road. But I certainly never won every game, and I only ever won one Super Bowl, pulling out a miracle in an all madden complete game. If anyone else is frustrated btw the two levels of play, I highly recommend setting your season up like that.
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Old 08-24-2017, 07:46 PM   #15
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Haven't played '18 yet so my observations are strictly from previous Maddens...

I've found All-Madden, especially the past two years to be more "fair" than ever. Used to be All-Madden was rife with all types of ridiculousness like linebackers batting down everything the middle of the field, safeties covering impossible amounts of ground, your pass rush never being able to get some.

I saw none of that last year. Felt like things played out more true to the ratings. If I had a pass rusher with 95 pass rush move against a tackle with a 80 something pbk, my guy ate his lunch and it wasn't always like that in previous Maddens. I got pressure from my right end as well as left. It NEVER used to be like that.

I didn't get any of the blatant cheating that I used to see. I played multiple seasons on CFM and had a couple of seasons where I held the CPU to under 17 points a game. The worst season I had I gave up something about 19 a game.

The few things I didn't like and I'm not sure if they weren't problems on All-Pro also, were the press/release battles. Too often if my guy didn't have a press rating advantage of over 10 points, he'd get toasted on go-routes, even if it was a 90 press rating vs a 81 release.

On inside runs the defensive end was able to get down the line and make the play too often. Same deal with corners being involved in the run even if they had a deep zone assignment. I didn't like the way some zones or counter runs were blocked or how edge rushers got off blocks on bootlegs, but I also heard similar critiques on All-Pro.

And on 50/50 balls if I didn't click on and manually swat the pass or play the ball it could get ugly, even if I had a highly rated corner vs. an okay receiver.
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Old 08-24-2017, 07:50 PM   #16
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I have played All-Madden for the last couple years as well. But yes I have had to adjust sliders a bit. I find it's the only way to get a consistent challenge. All-Pro may be good for a couple games but then like someone else mentioned, you realize you are 13-3 with a sub-par team and Jared Goff is taking you to the Super Bowl... All-pro usually feels too predictable to me and I have to actually switch up my game plans on All-Madden.

This is all based off of the last couple years though, haven't done enough testing with '18 yet but I'm sure it will be the same. I lost my last ea access game with the Raiders at Titans 20-30... Although Carr left for the 2nd half with an injury. It felt pretty good so we'll see where it goes.

I definitely have not seen any "blatant cheating" that others have the past couple years and All-Madden is almost all I play. Not sure where that comes from.
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