its a damn shame.....

[Beantown]

Quote: Originally Posted by inkcil

Yeah, looking back on it, my post does come off sorta childish...sorry about that. Anyway, the glitch doesn't bother me b/c I play againt the CPU mainly anyway. As far as the number of times the D knows what the offense will do, we'll just have to disagree (I put the number at 50%).

Technically, and this isn't meant to sound rude or anything, a kid watching football for the first time has a 50% chance of knowing whether the offense is going to run or pass because it's a 50/50 chance. Maybe I'd lower it to around 75, because these guys do nothing but study the games so I'm sure they see a lot of things that we don't. It's like poker players, defense look for tells that us spectators would never even think of.

[stabmasterb]

Quote: Originally Posted by Longhorn6

Technically, and this isn't meant to sound rude or anything, a kid watching football for the first time has a 50% chance of knowing whether the offense is going to run or pass because it's a 50/50 chance. Maybe I'd lower it to around 75, because these guys do nothing but study the games so I'm sure they see a lot of things that we don't. It's like poker players, defense look for tells that us spectators would never even think of.

actually its like playing poker with a an icon tipping your opponent's hand off, thus changing the game completly. in other words it changes the game completely. which renders your analogy pointless....

[inkcil]

Quote: Originally Posted by Longhorn6

Technically, and this isn't meant to sound rude or anything, a kid watching football for the first time has a 50% chance of knowing whether the offense is going to run or pass because it's a 50/50 chance. Maybe I'd lower it to around 75, because these guys do nothing but study the games so I'm sure they see a lot of things that we don't. It's like poker players, defense look for tells that us spectators would never even think of.

I typed a long response and got booted. LOL, anyway, I was describving the 50% theory by throwing in intangibles like play action passing, bad play calling, attempted trickery (halfback draws on 3rd and 15), and risk averse tendencies of coaches. Anyways...I feel that while 50% sounds simplistic as lipping a coin, the reason I have it at 50% is b/c of all the intangibles on any given play.

[TJdaSportsGuy]

Quote: Originally Posted by eggmanchris

I'm sorry man, I have to disagree with this post. Your telling me that we gamers are supposed to spend 50 bucks on a game so that we can set up some audibles with a few run plays and a few pass plays?

If that's what you need in order to be successful, then yes. Not EA's fault if you suck at Madden.

Quote: Originally Posted by eggmanchris

And if you know 100% that a run is coming, of course you can stop it everytime, it's called a punt block formation.

Oh yeah? Let's play online sometime. I'm drooling, thinking of how easily I could dispose of your "punt block" defense.

Quote: Originally Posted by eggmanchris

I don't think I've ever categorized a glitch as a gamekiller, but I think this does qualify. The only way it's not a gamekiller is if you and your friends make a rule to not use the coach cam, but that's another aspect of the game you can't use, and when I pay for a game, I don't want to have to resort to using audibles every play or not using the coach cam to set hot routes.

Again, unless you're absolutely terrible at Madden (which I'm getting the impression that you are), you don't have to resort to using audibles or not using the coach cam.

If you know the game of football, chances are you'll be able to tell whenever a team is going to run or pass, anyway.

PLUS, this glitch only shows up with certain formations...not ALL of them. I'd hardly consider this a gamekiller. More like an excuse for people like you to do what you love to do...flap their gums and stir up trouble on message boards such as these.

Let's play sometime. Hell, I'll tell you which play I'm calling every time and I PROMISE you that I'll still get my yards, I'll still get my first downs, and I'll still score my touchdowns.

Quote: Originally Posted by eggmanchris

It just makes me sick when I read posts like this that just accept huge mistakes in a game, and say "It's ok EA, I'll figure a way to play around it." Screw that! That's not ok, either fix it, or give me my 50 dollars back.

Nobody is stopping you from returning your game. I am going to keep mine, because I'm smart enough to figure out how to win, despite the fact that my opponent might know whether I'm running or not in certain formations.

Oh, and the thing about it making you sick to read posts like mine? The feeling is mutual, chief.

[Beantown]

Quote: Originally Posted by inkcil

I typed a long response and got booted. LOL, anyway, I was describving the 50% theory by throwing in intangibles like play action passing, bad play calling, attempted trickery (halfback draws on 3rd and 15), and risk averse tendencies of coaches. Anyways...I feel that while 50% sounds simplistic as lipping a coin, the reason I have it at 50% is b/c of all the intangibles on any given play.

very true, I'll agree with that, and thanks for the clarification.

As far as:

Quote:

actually its like playing poker with a an icon tipping your opponent's hand off, thus changing the game completly. in other words it changes the game completely. which renders your analogy pointless....

I was talking about real football, not the video game, try and fully read the post before displaying your hate for the game.

[stabmasterb]

Quote: Originally Posted by Longhorn6

I was talking about real football, not the video game, try and fully read the post before displaying your hate for the game.

longhorn obviously you have game, but we're in the o.s. madden forum. we all know madden, we all know real football like the back of our hands. so the "i know more than you" thing isn't impressing anyone. in fact it comes off as overly defensive. but i'm gonna choose to not get into a battle with you, because like you i LOVE ea and madden.

but if you can't understand why we feel this flaw gives us more info than we want to know when executing a gameplan, well, lets just agree that we're playing different games. but i certainly wouldn't hate on people because they have a problem with what many consider one of the most fun-killing flaws in madden history.

but this is an important thread lets not blow it up.

(edited for brutal spelling)

[Beantown]

All I'm going to say is I never hated on anyone, nor did I mean that in any way about "I know more about football than you" I was just saying that i wasn't talking about the Madden game in relation to poker, but real defense on the field watching the QB's eyes, watching the set up and other things that we would never notice.

I do enjoy Madden and most of EA's games, but I'm just saying I don't understand how an avoidable problem like this is a gamekiller. Hell I never even noticed it until I read an earlier thread. I don't know, maybe I do always try and look on the bright side of EA's flaws(like the comeback AI that seems to be toned down this year; I personally enjoy it)