IGN 360 review UP: 11/15/05

[Shaver]

The fact that people wanted it. The fact that it adds a new element to the game. These things are true.

However, it doesn't work the opposite way.

With Challenge System: +
Without Challenge System: =

It's not a minus to not have it. If the AI still blew calls intentionally but you did not have the ability to review it...well...then it's a minus. That's not the case here.

And, for the 10,000th time that it has been put into print....nothing was "taken out". This is a new title. The Challenge System was never put it. You can't take something out that was never in.

All that being said... to some people it is "no big deal" to others it is. So?

And, need I also remind you.... the typical OS Gamer is NOT the core audience for this title. Joe Average Gamer does not care if the system is in there. They don't want the chess match...they want checkers.

[Brandwin]

Well I didnt really read it, but no defensive presnaps, well at leas them being scaled back is bad.

No season or owner mode? Is there still franchise mode? If not, no point in my buying the game.

[Pared]

Quote: Originally Posted by Clay_OS

The fact that people wanted it. The fact that it adds a new element to the game. These things are true. However, it doesn't work the opposite way. With Challenge System: + Without Challenge System: = It's not a minus to not have it. If the AI still blew calls intentionally but you did not have the ability to review it...well...then it's a minus. That's not the case here. And, for the 10,000th time that it has been put into print....nothing was "taken out". This is a new title. The Challenge System was never put it. You can't take something out that was never in. All that being said... to some people it is "no big deal" to others it is. So? And, need I also remind you.... the typical OS Gamer is NOT the core audience for this title. Joe Average Gamer does not care if the system is in there. They don't want the chess match...they want checkers.

Yeah, the typical gamer doesn't care... let's not get started on who EA markets the game to here...

It's a new title... that they've been working on for over a year, and they couldn't get it in?

"Taken out" or "never put in" doesn't change much of anything... we'd be arguing semantics. The point is they can "put in" things that were in Madden '06 current gen, but couldn't "put in" something that has been in Madden for about 3 years now? Vision Cone anyone?

I know the casual gamer says it's not a big deal. Just like your response: So?

If you're going to call your game a representation of "NFL FOOTBALL" you should at least have all of the rules, one of them being the ability to challenge a call to be reviewed.

How would it be any different if there was never any pass interference called, b/c the AI couldn't differentiate if a player was interrupted in his attempt to catch a football?

[FlyingFinn]

The fact he praised it for the same ole Madden gameplay nailed the coffin for me. Since I don't care for the current madden engine, the same one with a new coat of paint most likely won't be any more enjoyable. I have it pre-ordered and paid for but luckily, a friend of mine is also buying it. I know he will play it so I will get a chance to play it before I open my copy. If it feels like Madden current gen, then I will be swapping it out for Call of Duty 2.

[greenegt]

Checked out the video review and the game looks great. Much more fluid than the old videos. I'll wait to see what you guys think and if the gameplay has no major flaws, I'll pick it up.

[LBzrule]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pared

Yeah, the typical gamer doesn't care... let's not get started on who EA markets the game to here... It's a new title... that they've been working on for over a year, and they couldn't get it in? "Taken out" or "never put in" doesn't change much of anything... we'd be arguing semantics. The point is they can "put in" things that were in Madden '06 current gen, but couldn't "put in" something that has been in Madden for about 3 years now? I know the casual gamer says it's not a big deal. Just like your response: So? If you're going to call your game a representation of "NFL FOOTBALL" you should at least have all of it's rules, one of them being the ability to challenge a call to be reviewed. How would it be any difference if there were never any pass interference called, b/c the AI couldn't differentiate if a player was interrupted in his attempt to catch a football?

Well the reveiwer making it a big issue to me is rather silly. The challenge thing while it has been in current gen for years, it has NEVER been apart of Online gaming for EA. So I guess it wasn't a problem for them in online games years ago, but now since it is not there at all it is a problem. Give me a break. Take that same scenario about the WR that he talks about except you are in a head to head game online. You could NEVER challenge it for what 3 or 4 years they've had the damn thing in the game and I have not seen in one review in the last 3 to 4 years they've written on this game how it is a downer When it should have been. Those who have played Madden online are used to not having the challenge feature. But then I agree with you too, because it sucks. As I have seen the A.I blow some calls. Giving guys catches when they only had 1 foot down in bounds all kinds of f'ed up stuff. And I've lost games by FG's because of it too.

[LBzrule]

Quote: Originally Posted by LBzrule

Well the reveiwer making it a big issue to me is rather silly. The challenge thing while it has been in current gen for years, it has NEVER been apart of Online gaming for EA. So I guess it wasn't a problem for them in online games years ago, but now since it is not there at all it is a problem. Give me a break. Take that same scenario about the WR that he talks about except you are in a head to head game online. You could NEVER challenge it for what 3 or 4 years they've had the damn thing in the game and I have not seen in one review in the last 3 to 4 years they've written on this game how it is a downer When it should have been. Those who have played Madden online are used to not having the challenge feature. But then I agree with you too, because it sucks. As I have seen the A.I blow some calls. Giving guys catches when they only had 1 foot down in bounds all kinds of f'ed up stuff. And I've lost games by FG's because of it too.

Additionally, this review seems like it tries to steer clear of any weaknesses the game may have game play wise (and we all KNOW for a FACT that games have weaknesses game play wise). We know some things that plague the current gen game, like the run/pass icon glitch online. They never mention whether that is something operative in the 360 game or not. High passes are money alot of times. They never mention whether this is operative or not. They never mention whether Micheal Vick will be impossible to defend without the cone or not. They never mention if the suction blocking is still so bad that playing linebacker is frustration at best. They mention NONE of these things. They never mention whether or not Quarters Defense, 3-3-5 are power defenses like they are in current gen. They steered clear of all of these issues and want to criticize for a lack of features. Very petty, and pretty silly and doesn't get down to what the game is all about. The reviewer took I 95 when he should have taken I-10.

[Pared]

I can't speak for the reviewer.... but it is a big deal, for exactly the reasons you stated. There has been plenty of times where you see the players foot go down, on the line, and the play be ruled a catch.

The true problem lies with the detection of the players and the field, and the AI's inability to get it right. How is this going to change?

I'll wait and see, but at least I could challenge it before. Sometime it went my way, other times it didn't. Now, it would NEVER go my way.

And it SHOULD be a part of online gaming for EA... it was excused there, b/c "they couldn't code it properly." Now, they can't even get it right for OFFLINE.

Ugh.

Did anyone see that Tampa Bay game this past Sunday? At the end, when it looked like Alstot broke the plane for the 2pt. conversion, they had to review it to make sure? Remember the tension, not knowing whether they won it, and Gruden looked like he made the right choice, or lost it, and he would've been hung?

Yeah, forget cases like that EVER happening with Madden "Next-gen."