Kicker's Maximum Range Idea

[Rashad19]

On the way in to work this morning I had an idea that I thought would be a good addition to Madden. I'm not sure we've discussed it here so I thought I would run it by you guys.

How do you feel about knowing your kickers maximum range(of course it would be dependent on conditions) before every game. Often times when watching a NFL on Sunday's you see offenses fighting for every yard to get to their kickers maximum range he feels comfortable making a game winning kick.

From a presentation standpoint it's often depicted by a red line as the particular team is driving down the field. How do guys feel about this being incorporated in Madden? I think it adds another layer of strategy to the game from all three sides of the ball.

[marktg30]

I hate the fact that Phil Dawson can't kick a 50 yard FG in Madden but IRL he has kicked numerous from 50+.

The kicking game needs to be tweaked a little bit.

They did a nice job making FGs a little tougher in M10 but they really need to make it more realistic on all levels.

Here are some stats from the Reg season - no kicker was 100% with a decent amount of attempts.

Field Goals Made Leaders - All Players

			FIELD GOALS									EXTRA POINTS
RK	PLAYER	TEAM	FGM	FGA	PCT	LNG	1-19	20-29	30-39	40-49	50+	XPM	XPA	PCT
1	David Akers, PK	PHI	32	37	86.5	52	1-1	11-11	8-9	11-13	1-3	43	45	95.6
	Nate Kaeding, PK	SDG	32	35	91.4	55	2-2	17-17	4-4	6-8	3-4	50	51	98.0
3	Jay Feely, PK	NYJ	30	36	83.3	55	0-0	6-6	12-15	11-14	1-1	32	32	100.0
	Matt Prater, PK	DEN	30	35	85.7	51	0-0	14-14	6-8	8-10	2-3	32	32	100.0
5	Rian Lindell, PK	BUF	28	33	84.8	56	0-0	12-12	9-9	6-9	1-3	24	24	100.0
6	Lawrence Tynes, PK	NYG	27	32	84.4	52	0-0	10-12	11-13	5-6	1-1	45	45	100.0
	Jeff Reed, PK	PIT	27	31	87.1	46	1-1	7-7	15-16	4-5	0-2	41	41	100.0
	Rob Bironas, PK	TEN	27	32	84.4	53	0-0	8-8	4-6	10-12	5-6	37	37	100.0
	Mason Crosby, PK	GNB	27	36	75.0	52	1-1	13-13	7-9	4-7	2-6	48	49	98.0
10	Ryan Longwell, PK	MIN	26	28	92.9	52	1-1	10-10	5-6	8-9	2-2	54	55	98.2
			FIELD GOALS									EXTRA POINTS
RK	PLAYER	TEAM	FGM	FGA	PCT	LNG	1-19	20-29	30-39	40-49	50+	XPM	XPA	PCT
	Sebastian Janikowski, PK	OAK	26	29	89.7	61	0-0	3-3	8-8	9-10	6-8	17	17	100.0
	Stephen Gostkowski, PK	NWE	26	31	83.9	53	0-0	7-7	12-13	5-8	2-3	47	47	100.0
13	Dan Carpenter, PK	MIA	25	28	89.3	52	0-0	9-9	7-8	8-9	1-2	37	38	97.4
	Ryan Succop, PK	KAN	25	29	86.2	53	0-0	10-10	7-7	6-7	2-5	29	29	100.0
15	Olindo Mare, PK	SEA	24	26	92.3	47	0-0	9-9	10-11	5-6	0-0	28	28	100.0
	Robbie Gould, PK	CHI	24	28	85.7	52	0-0	9-9	6-6	7-10	2-3	33	33	100.0
17	Shayne Graham, PK	CIN	23	28	82.1	53	0-0	10-11	8-10	3-3	2-4	28	29	96.6
18	John Kasay, PK	CAR	22	27	81.5	50	0-0	7-7	9-10	5-6	1-4	31	32	96.9
19	Jason Hanson, PK	DET	21	28	75.0	50	0-0	5-5	8-9	7-10	1-4	25	25	100.0
	Kris Brown, PK	HOU	21	32	65.6	56	0-0	11-13	6-9	2-6	2-4	43	44	97.7
			FIELD GOALS									EXTRA POINTS
RK	PLAYER	TEAM	FGM	FGA	PCT	LNG	1-19	20-29	30-39	40-49	50+	XPM	XPA	PCT
21	Shaun Suisham, PK	DAL/WAS	20	24	83.3	48	0-0	9-10	5-7	6-6	0-1	25	26	96.2
22	Josh Brown, PK	STL	19	24	79.2	55	0-0	5-5	4-5	4-7	6-7	16	16	100.0
23	Billy Cundiff, PK	CLE/BAL	18	23	78.3	46	1-1	9-9	5-8	3-3	0-2	23	23	100.0
	Josh Scobee, PK	JAC	18	28	64.3	52	0-0	7-8	4-4	3-7	4-9	30	31	96.8
	Nick Folk, PK	DAL	18	28	64.3	51	1-1	5-6	6-7	5-12	1-2	36	36	100.0
26	Joe Nedney, PK	SFO	17	21	81.0	51	0-0	4-4	7-8	4-6	2-3	33	33	100.0
	Phil Dawson, PK	CLE	17	19	89.5	49	0-0	7-7	5-5	5-6	0-1	18	19	94.7
28	Neil Rackers, PK	ARI	16	17	94.1	48	0-0	4-4	6-6	6-7	0-0	37	38	97.4
29	Connor Barth, PK	TAM	14	19	73.7	54	0-0	2-2	4-6	5-7	3-4	12	12	100.0
30	John Carney, PK	NOR	13	17	76.5	46	0-0	6-6	5-8	2-3	0-0	50	52	96.2
			FIELD GOALS									EXTRA POINTS
RK	PLAYER	TEAM	FGM	FGA	PCT	LNG	1-19	20-29	30-39	40-49	50+	XPM	XPA	PCT
31	Jason Elam, PK	ATL	12	19	63.2	50	0-0	4-4	4-8	3-5	1-2	32	33	97.0
32	Matt Stover, PK	IND	9	11	81.8	43	0-0	2-2	5-6	2-2	0-1	33	33	100.0
	Garrett Hartley, PK	NOR	9	11	81.8	38	1-1	3-3	5-6	0-0	0-1	10	11	90.9
	Steven Hauschka, PK	BAL	9	13	69.2	44	0-0	1-1	5-7	3-5	0-0	27	28	96.4
35	Adam Vinatieri, PK	IND	7	9	77.8	48	1-1	3-3	1-2	2-2	0-1	17	18	94.4
	Matt Bryant, PK	ATL	7	10	70.0	51	0-0	2-2	4-4	0-2	1-2	10	10	100.0
37	Mike Nugent, PK	ARI/TAM	4	8	50.0	48	1-1	1-1	1-2	1-4	0-0	14	14	100.0
	Graham Gano, PK	WAS	4	4	100.0	46	0-0	2-2	0-0	2-2	0-0	6	7	85.7
39	Ricky Schmitt, P	SFO	2	3	66.7	39	0-0	0-1	2-2	0-0	0-0	2	2	100.0
40	Shane Lechler, P	OAK	0	0	0.0	0	0-0	0-0	0-0	0-0	0-0	0	0	0.0

[GlennN]

To me, it wouldn't add anything. A kicker's maximum range is a coach's best guess, based on the leg strength of the kicker and the conditions. The red line on tv is just for the fans. I don't believe Bill Belicheck is buzzing his staff upstairs and asking if they reached the red line yet. We already have what we need to guess at this. There are things I'd like to see addressed in Madden, but this one doesn't make my list. Just my two cents.

[marktg30]

What about a "Kicker Confidence" meter? If a kicker has made a few decent kicks in a row, he should feel better about kicking a long FG. If he misses an easy one or it gets blocked (something that needs to happen a little bit more in Madden) his next attempts should be less confident and therefore more difficult.

[GlennN]

Quote: Originally Posted by marktg30

What about a "Kicker Confidence" meter? If a kicker has made a few decent kicks in a row, he should feel better about kicking a long FG. If he misses an easy one or it gets blocked (something that needs to happen a little bit more in Madden) his next attempts should be less confident and therefore more difficult.

Now that one I love!

[CreatineKasey]

I want the CPU to kick FG's based on the players ratings without any user input outside of selecting "kick FG". This way, we get an accurate representation of kicks made. Right now, I'm nailing 60 yarders with a kicker in my online franchise easily. That's ********. If they don't implement the best system ever (APF) they should just have the CPU kick it based on ratings in my opinion. How many playoff games were decided by FG's this year? A lot... they aren't gimmes like they are in M10.

[jyoung]

Like Kasey said, they need to either steal the kicking system from All Pro Football (best kicking system ever) or just take it completely out of the user's hand.

Because of how stupidly easy the current kicking system is, you can bomb career-long kicks with anybody in this game at about 90% accuracy.

Guys with 99 kick power can even hit 60-yarders without breaking a sweat.

I cannot even remember the last time I missed a kick in this game. Probably was sometime during the first week of playing.

Once you realize how easy the system is and know your kicker's maximum range, you will never miss.

[cubsball899]

Quote: Originally Posted by GlennN

To me, it wouldn't add anything. A kicker's maximum range is a coach's best guess, based on the leg strength of the kicker and the conditions. The red line on tv is just for the fans. I don't believe Bill Belicheck is buzzing his staff upstairs and asking if they reached the red line yet. We already have what we need to guess at this. There are things I'd like to see addressed in Madden, but this one doesn't make my list. Just my two cents.

thats ignorant... kickers go out before the game in warmups and test their legs out to see how far they can kick it that game, you don't think the coach's know how far they have to get to get inside the kickers range?