How Close are we to a COMPLETELY NEW Madden ENGINE?

[kennyacid]

you wont see a big change as long as people are buying it as is. They know their game will be bought because its the only show in town. If enough people were not to buy the game for a year, then EA would get the message and see people are serious about being tired of the same game being released. BUT we all know that will never happen as long as there isn't another NFL game to go to so they pretty much can do what. Is it right? No but its reality

[Pared]

Quote: Originally Posted by Only1LT

I never said it was likely that they would change anything. On the contrary, I am of the opinion that what is most likely form Tiburon is that they will do little. All I'm saying is that scrapping everything doesn't necessarily have to be a terrible idea, and there are scenarios where it is actually the only idea. I don't know what the situation is over at Tiburon, so I can't say whether they do or don't need to scrap everything. I'm just saying that, hypothetically speaking, scrapping everything might not be a terrible idea at all, and I gave a few examples why.

So you want to have a discussion that is completely hypothetical?

I'm sorry, if it's not realistic or doable... what is the point of discussing this then? To dream?

I'm not trying to come off as rude; Explain to me how this even benefits anyone interested in making Madden better when we all know they won't scrap the game completely.

[tlc12576]

Quote: Originally Posted by BezO

Not sure what problems you have, but the problems I have require some major work. Tiering the play calling system and gap/contain assignments for example. Not sure it would mean a "rebuild" though.

That was my point. LOL! I didnt bother to list all my issues with Madden, just stated that they could be resolved without a new engine, IMO.

Quote: Originally Posted by BezO

I think anyone saying they'd be happy with Madden 2005 is not thinking about 2010 expectations, especially comparing Madden to other sports titles. Much of what we complain about now existed back then too. We just had more side features.

That;s not what I said. Here is what I said.

Quote: Originally Posted by tlc12576

Like a few people have already said, if Madden 11 graphically was the same but had all the features of Madden 2005, alot of gamers would be happy. Even more so, if it had a 2k5 style presentation, maybe using the NFL network instead of ESPN, a full featured complete online franchise and some kind of moderated online ranked games system. These tweaks shouldnt require a "new" engine, just a little effort from EA, IMO.

I will not bother listing all the features from Madden 2005 but I think we all can agree that Madden 11 doesnt have most of them. Even the features it might have from 2005 are not implemented correctly. Im no fan of Madden 2005 because I was playing NFL 2k5 but adding all of Madden 2005's features to Madden 11 would defintely be an joyful improvement, IMO.

[jeremym480]

Quote: Originally Posted by GaryT531

No way would I trust EA with building a new engine at this point. We might get stuck with unplayable games like Madden 06-09 all over again. I'm not hardcore about football like many of you, so I understand and totally respect how you feel and what you are saying in terms of wanting something that resembles the NFL both strategy wise and gameplay wise. I think that the franchise is finally in the right direction once again and if they keep building on it every year by the end of the xbox 360 era we will have a complete game like how Madden 05 was at the end of the PS2 era. Re-build the engine when a new line of next gen systems come out. That's my opinion.

This is basically how I feel, as well. When they scrap this engine then I pretty much guarantee 2 or 3 bad, bare bones year's like 06 & 07. I'm actually dreading the change more than I'm looking forward to it. Plus, why scrap something when there's still some room for improvement?
IMO, Madden has made significant improvements from 09 to 10 and again from 10 to 11. If they keep cleaning up game-play and go "all in" with franchise mode (I'm talking about everything from last gen position battles, morale, etc. and working IR) then I'll be happier than a pig in mud.

[guaps]

Quote: Originally Posted by kennyacid

you wont see a big change as long as people are buying it as is. They know their game will be bought because its the only show in town. If enough people were not to buy the game for a year, then EA would get the message and see people are serious about being tired of the same game being released. BUT we all know that will never happen as long as there isn't another NFL game to go to so they pretty much can do what. Is it right? No but its reality

That's not true. Madden might be top of the pop in America, but the FIFA series is the most profitable EA Sports' title world-wide (FIFA 10 sold 9.7 million games in the first four months alone) and they are continuously making huge strides each year and have since 2007 with FIFA 08.

• FIFA 08 was the first next-gen game with the brand new engine.

• FIFA 09 had more than 250 improvements, including a "collision system, which calculates speed, weight, and power when the players collide, as each player will have their own individual strength and power statistics depending on their body characteristics" <-- please, bring that to Madden!

• FIFA 10 brought fewer changes to gameplay, but introduced a new Manager Mode (FIFA's answer to Franchise Mode).

• FIFA 11 will introduce a new passing system, player personalities to allow the AI to emulate the real players traits, a new mode that improves and merges Be A Pro and Franchise Mode and many more features.

All of FIFA's innovation are coming despite FIFA taking off as the best selling sports game in history. EA Canada is definitely not resting on its laurels, just look at the improvements to NHL 11. Madden's problems are not based on sales, but on a lack of ability to take the game to the next level. Personally, I would prefer if all EA Sports' games were made by EA Canada.

[Only1LT]

Quote: Originally Posted by Pared

So you want to have a discussion that is completely hypothetical? I'm sorry, if it's not realistic or doable... what is the point of discussing this then? To dream? I'm not trying to come off as rude; Explain to me how this even benefits anyone interested in making Madden better when we all know they won't scrap the game completely.

I'm not sure that we are understanding each other. You said that scrapping everything is a terrible idea. I said that it isn't necessarily a terrible idea, and gave examples of situations when it might actually be a good idea. That's all.

Stop me when we get to the point where I am out of line.

[rooney8]

I don't think we will see a new engine until next gen which could be 4-5 years from now which means we will continue to see alot of the same problems. I think the current dev team has done well but the game just feels stale and boring to me at this stage so I would love to be surprised with a new game engine for M12.

[Pared]

Quote: Originally Posted by Only1LT

I'm not sure that we are understanding each other. You said that scrapping everything is a terrible idea. I said that it isn't necessarily a terrible idea, and gave examples of situations when it might actually be a good idea. That's all. Stop me when we get to the point where I am out of line.

Again, if it is not realistic for Madden, what is it exactly we are discussing as being a possibility?

We are discussing Madden, in the Madden forum right?

If not then you would have a point. If you ignore sales, financials, budgets, reasonable solutions then I'm not sure what is your point. We could discuss the topic in a vacuum but that doesn't pertain to what I posted in response to the thread.