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"Zone defence is broken" (Long (and actually thought through, I hope))
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01-07-2011, 01:25 PM | #49 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Re: "Zone defence is broken" (Long (and actually thought through, I hope))
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01-10-2011, 06:12 PM | #50 |
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Re: "Zone defence is broken" (Long (and actually thought through, I hope))
I see what you're saying about Manning, but the reason he threw the picks was not just because he stared down the WR (although that made it a bit easier for the DB/LB) the main reason is he made the wrong read. No one can understand what is going on in his head, he has a great skill at reading defenses and understanding the game. The reason he made the decision to throw quick is probably from watching film all week and past experiences with the team he thought he knew what they were doing and just was wrong. However there are many times when he would throw quick and pick up a good 5-10 yards because of recognizing the defense pre-snap. Many elite QBs are able to do this week in and week out. Ex: watch Brady this weekend he does the same thing. They understand the game in their own way.
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01-10-2011, 07:24 PM | #51 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Re: "Zone defence is broken" (Long (and actually thought through, I hope))
That's another thing about this game. Many times, when a QB thows a pick, its because either he, the receiver, or both, got fooled. The QB reads what he thinks is a 2 high safety look, only to realize when he throws over the middle, that it was really cover 3 with a robber bailing out to cut off a slant. The zones are waaaaaaaaaaaay too vanilla, and we have no tools to shell our looks pre snap, other then "show-blitz" The defensive plays have been more or less untouched for 15 years. |
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01-10-2011, 10:24 PM | #52 |
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Re: "Zone defence is broken" (Long (and actually thought through, I hope))
Yeh I agree, there definately should be more options for disguising defenses. There should be a way to do so when choosing plays, maybe pick two kind of like if you were playing against a friend and the 1st or 2nd you select is the disguise and the other is the actual play? That should work pretty easily.
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01-14-2011, 01:27 PM | #53 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||
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Re: "Zone defence is broken" (Long (and actually thought through, I hope))
Orlando Scandrick, the second pick of the night, was the same things. You don't get to see the play from the snap in the highlight, but I watched the game. He snapped the ball and was looking that direction from the start. Even in this replay you can tell Manning was eye-balling his target most of the play. The FIRST pick by sean lee is the same thing. Peyton snaps the ball, and stares his target down. He adds a little pump fake to try and throw off the defender, but the whole time from snap to pick he is looking one direction. Lee is playing QB SPY. Peyton sees this and tried to fool him by pump faking, but a much more effective strategy against the spy is LOOKING OFF THE DEFENDER. The final pick, and 2nd for sean lee, of the game is another example. Watch peyton. Snap, head turns to stare down Tamme. The defender may have been playing a zone in the area, but you see he had to make a spectacular leap . Maybe something can be said for peyton putting the ball in the right spot (to need that timed leap to break up the play), but would the DB, Mike Jenkins who is a decent pass defender but by no means prolific, would not have been so quick to short cut the play if peyton hadn't been staring tamme down the whole play. Notice while peyton is staring tamme down jenkins is staring peyton down. Now notice, the next week, against the patriots. The first pick by meriweather may have been a misread (more likely miscommunication between tamme and peyton) but peyton still looked at his other targets so the D didn't know where he was going with the ball. Also the McCourty play was a product of miscommunication but notice peyton still stared the receiver down (although this was a broken play and not subject to the same reasons as the dallas pick results). http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/201011...ecap#tab:watch Colts vs Bolts is a tale of two peyton's. In 2 of the picks it is clearly a misread, miscommunication or receiver mis-play. However in the last pick, and to a degree the second pick (which I know was tipped while in the throwing motion by the edge rusher), peyton's eyes never left the pre-designated receiver. The last pick was an over thrown ball, but the DB quite likely was able to stay in such good stride with the Receiver because peyton's eyes and body position had determined the play from the snap. The blitzer tipped pass was less peyton's fault and he may have been able to make the throw otherwise, but the LB playing the zone knew where peyton was going because he was watching peyton stare down his receiver. http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/201011...ost-playbyplay Notice most of these were not "quickly thrown balls" picked by "Johnny On The Spot" DBs. Peyton was in the pocket for 3 > + seconds. The second a defender gets his head turned around and see peyton staring at the receiver or if the defender is playing a zone and is watching peyton as much as the receiver if not more he knows he's in the perfect spot and has a clear idea of peyton's intentions. It's more a matter of finishing what peyton's telling them than anything else. There are many other passes that weren't picked off that were deflected or thrown away because peyton STARED DOWN THE RECEIVER. Pundits only tell you what they think the public can understand. Analyze the games yourself. You'll see peyton making this mistake through that 4 game stretch time and time again. |
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